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The volt has to be an OK car. Although Fox news has attacked it at every chance there was a lull when chevy announced it was going to build a plant in china. Then it was 3 weeks steady about how Chevy was giving America's top secrets in elec technology to the Chinese at Tax Payer expense. It was almost like we gave them the blueprint for the stealth bomber.
So, hey, must be something good about the car and it's future.

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I wonder what it could be?


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Slightly off topic but ...

Fox News does not properly investigate their stories before airing them. It doesn't help the cause.

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Even with the government propping up this Government Motors turd, they can't sell them. To support GM is to support the UAW theft of the once great company at .gov gunpoint.


GM to halt Volt production for five weeks: WSJ

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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- General Motors GM -0.08% will halt production of the Chevy Volt electric car for five weeks, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing a spokesman. Around 1,300 workers at GM's Hamtramck, Mich. factory where the Volt is built will be out of work between March 19 and April 23, the report said, citing the spokesman. GM sold about 7,700 Volts last year, below its target of 10,000.


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Originally Posted by krapy111
The volt has to be an OK car. Although Fox news has attacked it at every chance there was a lull when chevy announced it was going to build a plant in china. Then it was 3 weeks steady about how Chevy was giving America's top secrets in elec technology to the Chinese at Tax Payer expense. It was almost like we gave them the blueprint for the stealth bomber.
So, hey, must be something good about the car and it's future.


Really then you should run right out and buy one for the $7500 rebate.


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My old '97 Escort wagon costs me 10 cents per mile when gas is $3.50. The best part is it has a range of over 400 miles per tank. I guess I won't be buying a volt any time soon.


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I was thinking about getting a Volt. With gas at $3.50+ it seems worth a look.
Test drove one and overall it seemed okay. Then the salesman started talking price. shocked
No Volt for me.


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...about how Chevy was giving America's top secrets in elec technology...

If the Chinese just buy one and reverse engineer it to discover its secrets, do they get the $7,500 Obama incentive rebate? shocked

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If the Chinese just buy one and reverse engineer it to discover its secrets, do they get the $7,500 Obama incentive rebate?


I doubt we'd teach them anything much. They already have 100 million elec powered scooters and cars in use in China.

BTW..saw on the news the other day...GM sold more cars in China on a rolling twelve months than in the U.S.!! YIKES

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My old 1991 VW Jetta diesel, would average 50 miles to the gallon and driving a steady 60-65 mph on the Interstate I could fill the tank in Niantic, jump on I-95 and drive all day 500 miles get up in the morning and drive another 200 and still have a 100 miles in the tank, and fill up well on the Ohio Toll Road. All from a car that cost me a little over 11,000 dollars to buy 22 years ago. The 2012 models are great cars, and the difference you pay for one of those vs a volt, will have to driving 150000 miles at least before you even spend the money a Volt costs. That 10 years of driving and then some for most. And what was a bonus for me was that every not and again I would just fill it with Jet-A while on flying contracts. I use to work down in the Gulf of Mexico flying helicopters, and my base manager would come up to me and say you do some fly overs this week on my week off, and you can just pump some Jet A when ever you need it. The helicopter I was flying would burn 26 gallons per hour, and I would fly anywhere 5 to 8 hours a day most days. We had 6 helicopters at that base. I would live for fog banks off shore, I once sat watching tv for my whole shift. 14 days and then another 10 on fly over. Flew just four days that month got paid for 30 days. My kind of job.

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But see, if "we" (the liberal elite) force Chevy Dolts on people there will be a spike in electricity demand and electric rates will "necessarily skyrocket" as Obama promised (May 2009). Then wind/solar generation will be competitive (never mind transmission facilities) and then can close dirty coal plants and not quite so dirty natural gas generation. We need to save the planet for the children.

Crap thinking of course, but it ties together. Just listen to Chu. Too late for Solyndra though.


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Originally Posted by sandcritter
Would be open to using one for mundane commute to work/back, if/when all of the above are addressed (cost of purchase, real operating cost, and real battery maint & recycle costs). In the mean time, thuggish .gov behavior only earns more disdain. And I'll continue to bomb the highway in a glorious V8 while a guy still can grin


I hear that, I have a track version Audi S8, it will pull full redline at over 7000 rpm on a closed circuit track. And yes I do the mundane thing, we got a Honda Fit because my wife puts at least 160 miles on her car three days a week. It saves us well over $300 a month from the SUV she was using.


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Volt owner here. I've had the car since March, about 10,000 miles. Buying a Volt was a major investment but worth every penny. This is a wonderful car, the best I have ever owned. I'm not the only one who feels this way, Volt came in first place in Consumer Reports buyer satisfaction survey - beating every other car they track. It also beat every other GM car in their reliability rankings (I've had no service issues at all.)
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The car is full of technological features, and is a lot of fun if you like voice control, bluetooth phone integration, MP3 player integration, satellite radio, GPS, OnStar, traction control, antilock brakes, etc. Don't fret about accessories - there's a separate accessory battery (just like in a normal car.) The only accessory that affects your driving range is heating/cooling.
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It also accelerates wonderfully, and handles very well - plus driving is smoother and quieter than the finest luxury car. The best electric range I ever got was 55 miles, in good weather, moderate speeds, few stoplights. The worst was winter weather, in a hurry and driving like a maniac - I got 22 miles. Most of the time I get around 45 miles in summer, 30 in the middle of winter. A good trick in extreme temperatures is to pre-start the car while still plugged in. The car will warm up (or cool off) without draining the batteries.
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I was lucky to find a free charger through a program with my electric utility (check with yours.) They also give me a split rate - and really cheap electricity if I charge overnight. I also charge at my local Meijers shopping center - they have a free charging station there. Plus I use the portable charging cord to charge while visiting friends' houses. A full charge is about 3 1/2 hrs, a partial charge (like when I go shopping at Meijer) is going to be an hour or so. The 110v portable cord is slower, but still worth topping off the charge whenever you can.


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Originally Posted by ankaka
driving is smoother and quieter than the finest luxury car.


Just curious- how many fine luxury cars have you own that qualify you to make your comparison?

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Welcome , Ma'm,

that said,....

"I was lucky to find a free charger through a program with my electric utility (check with yours.) They also give me a split rate - and really cheap electricity if I charge overnight. I also charge at my local Meijers shopping center - they have a free charging station there. Plus I use the portable charging cord to charge while visiting friends' houses. eek A full charge is about 3 1/2 hrs, a partial charge (like when I go shopping at Meijer) is going to be an hour or so. The 110v portable cord is slower, but still worth topping off the charge whenever you can.'

is some seriously off the wall and DELUDED text.

"Free" ?

....are you serious ?

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But can it pull a boat? wink

Glad you like it, for all my bad-mouthing the Volt. They would've been nice when I lived in a major metro area with a short commute, but then mass transit wasn't bad. I don't see it as economically efficient as an econobox though obviously a much nicer ride.

Totally impractical where I am now, it's either perhaps a mile in town, or 80 miles to the next "big" town, or a hunting or fishing trip. And the local economy is ag which means most in the area are always hauling heavy, bulky things. It got down to 9 last night, bet that would drive your mileage down!


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When you run a COAL FIRED automobile, life becomes WAY SIMPLEr


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My vote is to saturate Cali with a Federal mandate of these [bleep]' "wondercars". Most there are Dems, so they will appreciate the Federal intrusion and I'd like lots of really long "110v power cords to go along with. Tell them its free and jack up some taxes.

Just reminicing for more "Grey Out" days....or maybe just acres of windmills, solar panels and other "low environmental impact" schit.

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Iffin I did own one, I sure as hell wouldn't admit it here.







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