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I just ordered one for my 6.5x55. This will be my 1st Clements trigger and can't wait to try it out.

They are nice!....Tom

Got me a Clements trigger that's going in my #1 .25-06 in the mail yesterday. What a really NICE piece of hardware. Beautiful EDM work. Can't wait to get it in and the rest of the action slicked up good.

What's the going price for a Clements trigger?

$90 plus $5 shipping. Just got two of them.

This is important to note. I don't know how much bullshit I read -- and rest assured, it most certainly is BULLSHIT -- about how simply installing a trigger has changed someone's life, made them luckier with the ladies, made the air smell fresher, etc. In order to get the ACTUAL BENEFIT of a different trigger in a No. 1 -- or any rifle -- an actual "trigger job" must be performed. This includes polishing the sear and hammer engagement surfaces, clipping coils from or replacing the hammer spring, etc. Simply replacing the trigger doesn't do a damned thing to address those areas of a trigger pull.

And yes, I know you understand this, Skeezix, I wanted to point this out to someone who might have the idea that they can get a good trigger via some kind of "shake 'n bake" process.

One can only assume you never had a Canjar single set trigger in any of your number ones ?

2.5 pounds inset, 2-3 ounces set. Actions (several) as issued. Fine for good weather shooting.

In most rifles, trigger jobs are a waste of time. The best, most reliable, foolproof triggers ever made for hunting were the 1903 National Match Springfield, commercial German pre war Mausers (two stage), followed by the New Haven design Model 70 (single stage).

These two will stand up to conditions that would kill most other triggers while still providing excellent performance.

One can only conclude you're a f*cking moron. Anyone who makes statements like "trigger jobs are a waste of time" doesn't have a clue and couldn't buy a clue even if their lives depended on it. Your post is nothing more than barely regurgitated HORSESHIT that you've obviously culled from an article or website of dubious value.

A lighter and crisper trigger pull is going to be accomplished via simple mechanics: reducing the amount of force required to disengage the hammer or striker from the sear by reducing spring tension and/or reducing the coefficient of friction on the sear engagement surface. PERIOD.

A trigger by itself does none of those things. A trigger can offer a "sexy" set feature or a specialized overtravel setting, but it isn't going to do a damned thing at reducing the amount of force necessary to reliably fire.

Your first two "examples" are rifles that were semi-custom in nature; they have excellent finishing, therefore they'd better have a damned good trigger pull right out of the box. The "New Haven" Model 70? Don't make me laugh. That "example" alone indicates you don't have a clue in hell. Some Model 70s had good triggers right off the bat and some didn't regardless of the amount of adjustment made. It was totally dependent on the condition of the sear engagement surfaces and springs. The last two Model 70s I bought had trigger and striker springs that could've been used for automobile suspensions and one had a sear engagement notch that required recutting because it was so damned wide.

Pull your head out of your ass before making a further reply.

I have found no better trigger for the #1 than Dave's with the first installed many years ago. Good to see he is running them again.

Have you ever used a Moyer trigger?

http://www.moyersgunrepair.com/product_info.php?cPath=30&products_id=57


Just curious.....

Absolute CRAP. We've discussed those [bleep] things in the past. They are nothing more than a very poor quality reproduction of the so-called three-screw Ruger trigger.

My experience has been that if I ignore Bricktop's advice it is at my own peril.

The messenger may come across as a bit strident( OK, a lot strident), but the message is consistently accurate.

Consider the number of posters who are frequently in error, but never in doubt. Bricktop is not one of them.

Listen and learn, and be grateful. I am.

Steve

Thank you for the kind words.

There are a lot of good trigger upgrades worth owning and adding to a No. 1. The Moyers is not one of them.

Regardless of what someone opts for the No. 1, be it a Canjar, a Kepplinger (those are absolute Cadillacs) or a Clements, you're not going to see any real benefits unless the guts to the fire control group are polished and fitted appropriately. (The as-issued and much maligned "two-screw" Ruger factory trigger is actually pretty damned good provided the sear and hammer have been polished correctly.) I've messed with these No. 1s for a little while now and the truth is there just aren't any shortcuts to a good trigger pull.

My uncle has a #1 in a Wasp. I played with it for a while. I think, I'm sure it is the factory trigger in it. I want to built a falling block. I want to build something like an 1885. I was in Moyers shop a couple of months ago and got the nickel tour. He is a nice man and seem very knowledgeable. I know a couple of guys that swear by his work, but they don�t have any of his products. I just picked up a lathe and I�m doing research for my falling block project. I don�t know that much about falling blocks. Most of my knowledge is for 1911�s, and bolt action rifles.

I live walking distance to Moyers shop. He milled a front sight slot on a 1911 slide for me. He did very good work. For what that is worth.

I have several Mausers with Kepplinger triggers. I prefer kepplingers to other triggers I have. They do cost considerably more than a timney triggers.

I'm sure he's a great human being, but his products suck.

Which seems to be a common denominator.

Very little in this context.

I have used a Moyers trigger on my IV for 10 years now. No complaints. No creep and about 2.5 lbs.

The perceived creep and weight have very little to do with the trigger itself and everything to do with the condition of the sear engagement surfaces. A properly tuned hammer and sear produces the same results as you've described with an as-issued Ruger factory trigger. There seems to be some sort of belief founded in nothing more than ignorance that simple installation of a trigger can remedy any trigger pull issues.

As has been posted inumerable times, the Moyers trigger is nothing more than a crude copy of the Ruger three-screw trigger. It features an adjustment screw for pull weight -- just like the currently manufactured Ruger factory trigger -- an overtravel adjustment -- just like on the currently manufactured Ruger factory trigger -- and a sear engagement adjustment -- a feature that can only be accessed by removing the butt stock on a No. 1. Ruger deemed it such a decidedly UN-useful feature that they discontinued it about 30 years ago.

i have tried the moyer years ago and it seemed to be a remake of the original ruger steel trigger with all of the adjustment screws if i recall correctly.
if you study the trigger design of the numer 1 &3 it becomes apparent that the "trigger" is just a lever to activate the linkage to take the force to the sear at the hammer engagement point. hope that makes sense.

Any body got a website for the clements trigger?

Google it.

And what do yall think about the JARD trigger... its linkless.. from what I can tell.

No shiz... really didnt think of that.... I googled "clements ruger no 1" and the first thing is this thread... and nothing that really jumped out as their home page even... I guess I should have googled it harder.

I was really just looking for the ordering page, or maybe some more info about it, as I'm new to the no 1 and never heard of it.

Ask kctbear, he has one.

Clements+guns. It's not hard.

http://www.clementscustomguns.com/


THats the website Im getting but not seeing the no 1 trigger? Maybe Im missing something?

Are you wanting someone else to do your legwork? Look on the items for sale page. Call or email them for information beyond that.

Just figured with your vast experience in no 1 after market triggers Id find some information here about the trigger.

The website says "I have the following custom parts in stock:

Ruger #1 blue adjustable triggers"

and thats all that it mentions... with no easy way to process an order, search the site, or find ANY other information without calling them.. as its 10pm here I doubt theyd answer the phone...

So I asked a question... Not looking for someone to "do my leg work" but looking for information about said trigger.

With such a poorly designed website, I would hope they put more effort into the design of their trigger...

All these things beg questions... what better place to ask than an internet forum, on a thread discussing said trigger... you led me here from the 08 thread (which is where I guess I pissed you off) to answer "google it"

Thanks so much for all the help and sharing your vast knowledge on the subject, Im much better off now.

Does actual human interaction REALLY intimidate you that much? If it was something I REALLY wanted, I believe I'd get off my ass and make a telephone call to Clements in the morning or send them an email right now. But that's me.

Nope I interact with people all the time... Goes with the job. And an email has all ready been sent.

But none of this pointless bickering has gotten me any closer to learning anything about the Clements trigger, or the jard trigger.

Its ok to say "I don't know"... I know, I know, you have an internet tough guy/ know it all image to uphold, so I will simply bow out of this gracefully before you have to admit you'd rather be rude than admit you don't know a thing about the triggers in question.

So Im off to "google it".

Thanks again for all the help.

Someone else helped you come to that realization, too, I'm sure. Of course that won't stop you from asking more redundantly stupid questions or digging up ancient threads involving departed members.

My God does this dope ever shut up ? The world's greatest #1 expert who doesn't know squat about aftermarket triggers for it and probably owns none either. What can you expect from from a fool in nowhere Wyoming ? Wonder how he lives in Wyoming and teaches in Oklahoma ? One or the other is false.

Funny how almost every gunwriter with any creds, will tell you that the old M 70 trigger was one of the best hunting triggers ever made.
No doubt he has never even seen, not to consider, shot a 1903 Springfield National Match rifle or a pre war commercial Mauser. Both are excellent triggers with the built in safety of a two stage pull.

As the previous writer noted correctly, all he does is "pointless bickering" backed up with nothing but cussing and a love of one of our worst presidents who did so much for building a nation of Greeks.

BT knows his stuff when it comes to single shots. If you can't read through a post of his without getting your feelings hurt, you might want to look elsewhere for information.

Why hello, LARRY ROOT!

Like I said, he just canoot shut up. Every check his posts ? Yest to see the huge collection of #1s with custom triggers. Don't know who this "larry" is but probably another fragment of this yappers empty mind.

Cant seem to splain how he is in two places at 1 time.

probably out drinking mad dog tonite to celebrate Lyndon's ugly baasaad brat opened the door for the half-breeds to "tax" all of us for anything they dont like.

looks like his veracity is open to question.

"Why hello, LARRY ROOT!"

Now I'm really confused. I thought we had established that Bricktop was LARRY ROOT.

Same old horseshit syntax, same old horseshit Larry. You're pretty easy to spot, you worthless [bleep].

No question, twister999 is none other than Larry, I'm a psychopath, Root.

No question at all.

WOW!

A cat has but 9 lives...

DF

Cant seem to splain how he is in two places at 1 time.

Can't seem to "splain" why in the f*ck you keep coming back after you've been unceremoniously booted off time and again, Larry.

Still can't splain who this ghost that haunts him "larry" is identified and how he can live in two places at the same time.

That skinny little white boy with the dead sow sure dowsn't laook a bit like the tough black gansta shown here.

more questions than answers.

Good call!!

Hey Larry!

How about regaling us with you heroic exploits during your 3 tours in 'Nam as a THUDS / F-105 "Fighter Pilot"??... Remember, loosing your friends over Red River....bunking with "Marine Snipers"... expert Marksman Badges with four different weapons... 600 and 1000 yard matches that you won while in the Air Force... your much claimed and touted combat service...

Absolutely riveting and fascinating tales!


Oh, btw. Looked for you while I was in Pinedale earlier this month. Even asked around. No one seemed to know who you were. Even the folks down at the shooting range!

No public computer hooked up with shared accounts for the Campfire. No list of user names and passwords on the bulletin board at the shooting range as you've previously crowed about.

Seems you're just a pathological LIAR!

As everyone already knew... there's no hundred "friends" lurking and participating on the Campfire. Just YOU Sybil!

And he writes in the first person plural...

Need to check the new DSM-5. That's the Publication of the fifth edition of Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. The 5th edition hasn't been out that long and there could be something new on cases like this.

DF

I suppose you were looking for someone that Bricktop is scared crapless of.
I suppose if I lived in Pinedale (WY right), like Bricktop, then I would find this person myself.
I suppose everyone who asks Bricktop the obvious questions about his residence and workplace is identified as this "larry" person.
I suppose he needs fools like you to defend him as he can't handle it himself.
I suppose you are just not equipped to understand that a lot of members on this site are not too wild about Bricktop, his claims of being the all knowing OZ and a "hunter" who takes pride in shooting a nursing sow.
I suppose you are unaware there are no wild pigs in Wyoming.
I hope your visit to Pinedale was not a complete waste of time, hope to get there one day but it's a bit of a haul. The Cirque of the Towers is on my bucket list, nothing like that in Texas I'm sure.
Do have to compliment your amazing ability to construct bogey men out of thin air.
I suppose while you were in Pinedale you, like Bricktop, were shaking too hard to pick up a phone book and try calling this ghost that haunts your every moment ?
I suppose that pointing out the obvious fact that most of what Bricktop says as well as your "visit claims" are just a tissue of lies by internet would be super heros ?

I suppose that pointing out that you and he are the "pathological liars" would damage your self esteem, so you get a pass.

I suppose it would be rude to expect Bricktop to answer direct questions ?

Much more rewarding to shout and scream, acting the fool and pretend to be "men" without any courage whatsoever.

When you identify this fearsome phantom "larry", drop me a PM with his contact info.

I'll be brave enough to contact him and get some questions to pass along to you about places and things you claim to have done and things you claim to know about him.

I suppose this is a waste of time but <<<<<<<<<<<

What's Roger got to say about all that...?

DF

Funny, and pathetic how lies spill so easily from your diseased lips Larry.
Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY knows that Twister is just the latest of your usernames contrived solely to thwart the express wishes of the site owner.
How you can continue to live with yourself is beyond comprehension.

DSM5 includes an entire chapter outlining your various psychoses. Interesting reading for insight into a irretrievably diseased mind.

Larry, why do you even try...

Not much longer til one of us gives the signal and you are again given the boot.

"Suppose" to your rotten hearts content, and tell yourself whatever helps you sleep at night Sybil....














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The only one shaking hard would be YOU Lawrence. No need for a phone book when I (and others) know exactly where you live.

You must have been out. Or barricaded in your closet or under the bed pissing yourself! LOL

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I don't know why oldmantrannydouche bothers to lie and attempt to hide behind numerous screen names.... and pretend it's not him. Easily spotted. The old goat sticks out worse than a neon sign.

The root gets the boot once again

For now...

DF

Hard to keep a POS with no honor nor respect away if he's determined to keep violating the wishes of the site owner.

Well, boys thanks for the name and city. I suppose I'll give him a call and see why one, as you boys put it, old man can deserve so much hatred and attacks.

I'll be sure to let you know what he tells me about you folks and the "original" photographs.

Still you are begging the question that is: if one of you lives there and another (I assume) took a bunch of photos of the same town, why you didn't manage to hunt him down and administer severe punishment. Can you answer that ?

Larry, what are you doing in AZ?

You worthless piece of DOGSHIT, Larry, when is your bitch ass ever going to learn?

Where did anyone claim or intend to administer "severe punishment" Larry? Still grasping at your delusional and paranoid straws I see. Guess the barb-wire wasn't buzzing while we were in your backyard. Surprised we didn't have a Sheriff's car pass us by after knocking on your door.

Larry (that would be YOU "twister999"!) is a gutless yellow bellied coward and either doesn't answer his door, barricades himself within his closet (like Maser), hides under the bed pissing and crapping in his Depends, or skips town altogether.

Completely anti-social and suffers from a severe case of paranoid delusions.


Now, how about answering our questions?

Why do you find it necessary to continually circumvent Rick's wishes for you to be gone from his website by adding numerous screen names for the sole intent and purpose to TROLL a site where you are neither wanted nor offer ANYTHING of real use and value to the membership, and when confronted, LIE about it??

Can Will you answer that?

NO ONE is responsible for your user ID's being blocked or banned other than yourself. You got "Interthem" locked down tight, and "simivalley" was merge with your oldmandouche account, and "twister999" isn't far behind. These of course in addition to how many others over the past couple years??? (oldman1942, bosslady, framis, etc. etc. ect.)

The only losers in your little "War for the Site" are YOU and the membership that has to suffer your idiocy and paranoid delusions. I don't see any of the so called "Losers" and "Trolls" being limited to one post a day, or having their ID's locked. Do you????

The sooner you realize the problem lies within yourself, the sooner you can get a good nights sleep and stop obsessing over stupid sheit on the Internet...

Sorry I cant answer your questions as I have yet to speak to the man.

It is plain to see that you folks are very upset with him but unable or unwilling to anything about it (except getting anyone tossed off the site you believe to be him)

Before I call him, could you provide me some examples of things he has done on the site to harm other members such as fraud, failing to pay for deals made, obscene or untrue comments about other members etc. ? I'm sure to create so much angst among you, he must have done some really terrible things to other members.

You mention his prior memberships being bundled into one user name. It would be helpful to know that so I could review his entries to see what all the hullabaloo is about. Could you provide that ?

I suppose I find it disturbing to be attacked by people I do not know and who do not know me with no reason given other than misidentification.

I'll pass along what I find out. Meanwhile let's all chill out a bit, okay ? It's too damned hot already outside.

this reminds me of the episodes of cops where they pull a bag of cocaine from the pocket of some guy, he responds with it ain't mine. I don't know where that came from...

Larry, this is pathetic, stop the charade, no one is buying it.

Sir, what is "pathetic" is your assumption that you know to whom you are tapping out your insults with no means to prove it. I suppose, were we ever to meet, you would be enough of a gentleman to confess your error.

As for "buying it", I have only made a few simple requests that nobody seems to wish to answer. I suppose this gentleman you have such an erection over can answer the questions when I talk with him, but I just want to go into the conversation with some starting points.

I can only suppose my simple questions cannot be answered as there are no facts to back them up. On the many other websites I chat on, if a member has cheated another member or treated him like a churl, there is a clear trail of posts that may be verified. I suppose links to those topics and posts could be provided if you wished to. Attacking me serves neither your group nor I as I don't have a hound under the tree.

Thus far, all I have seen is the animosity shift over from Mr. Root to me. I have yet to see anything that may be substantiated as to what actions he has taken to so enrage you and cause such uncivil conversation.

Time to turn up the A/C and hit the hay. Good evening.

You're a turd, Larry, and we're plungers forcing your ass down the [bleep].

Apparently Larry wishes to continue playing his absurd games and pretend (as per usual) that he's someone else....

Tell you what "twister999", your questions and demands for verification would be best served by directing them to the Owner of 24HourCampfire, Mr. Rick Bin.

Shoot him a PM (RickBin) or an e-mail (rickbin24hourcampfire.com) and if he's so inclined I'm positive he'll ensure you're squared away.


Of course everyone knows you'll refrain from approaching Rick. Instead, you'll see just how long you can continue this farce of pretending you're someone else.

No matter what you wish to call yourself (Duane, Roger, Karen, Brandy, etc.) you're still the same pathetic shell of man with a diseased and rotting brain fueled by paranoid delusions.

Was there not one, who offered to spank him?

"Why do you find it necessary to continually circumvent Rick's wishes for you to be gone from his website by adding numerous screen names for the sole intent and purpose to TROLL a site where you are neither wanted nor offer ANYTHING of real use and value to the membership, and when confronted, LIE about it??"

I think the same could be said for quite a few of the participants in this thread.

Not one of the respondents to this thread, except for Larry, has ever been banned nor have they changed their usernames.

Are you saying you advocate or condone the practice of creating multiple usernames to circumvent the wishes of the owner of this site?

"Not one of the respondents to this thread, except for Larry, has ever been banned nor have they changed their usernames."

And you know this how? Unless a person were connected to the software, or the owner allowed them access to the software, could anyone make that a true statement.

It just seems to me that a lot of people around here are talking as though they have a directive from the owner, or they are the owner in sheeps clothing. They claim to know everything there is to know. And they hold theirselves out to be so called "policemen" for the site.

Worse yet, they use no logic in their arguments that goes to truth. Its all opinion. There is never any hard evidence of anything, and most of the arguments are ad hominem.

And to answer your direct question, no I don't condone the practice of creating multiple usernames to circumvent the wishes of the owner of the site. But I do believe in fairness, and I do believe that all of the real evidence should be heard, and I don't think that any owner of any site could ever get all of the evidence they needed to make a rational decision about anyone who posts on their site. It is just too damn difficult to make a decision about anyone by judging the writings of a person on a site like this, or judging the opinions of everyone else about that person.

22WRF,

Rick has made this a "self moderating" forum and chosen to maintain a hands off approach. As such, it causes the members to do the moderating and reveal the troublemakers.

Larry Root has proven himself, time and time again, to provide information that is incorrect, and could very well cause someone to get hurt.

He has lied about so many things, his credibility is nil.

He has been banned from this site numerous times by Rick, and keeps coming back under aliases, flaunting that very fact.

His writing style and use of certain terms very clearly identifies himself every time, so the "hard evidence" is there and is provided by Larry.

Given enough time, Larry will "out" himself with every new identity, and his only apparent reason for being here is to cause hate and discontent.

Ed

Ed

1. First of all, who is Larry Root? Has anyone here actually seen him. Do you know where he lives. I think that there really is a Larry Root, but from what I have seen I think that most people here have the wrong impression of who Larry Root really is.

2. "Self Moderating"!!!!!!!!!! That is exactly what I was addressing. If one person cannot get the truth on a forum, how can decisions be made from so called self moderators. From what you say, as a member I could then be a self moderator. And if I were one there would be a whole lot of people that I would prefer to kick off this site. But knowing better, knowing that I didn't have all of the facts, knowing that I suffer from the same human condition that everyone else does, I would know that it probably wouldn't be the right thing to do.

3. Is it so much trouble to just ignore someone if you don't like them. If you don't like this guy you think is Larry Root, then don't read his posts. Don't respond to his posts. Pretty soon with nobody to talk to he might go away!!!!!!! But if you keep putting gasoline on the fire its never going to go out!!!!

4. Once again, I think everyone will be surprised when the real Larry Root is finally brought to light. And I am betting it won't be Twister999. We'll see. In the meantime, I am going to continue to enjoy the wonderful Gift that Mr. Binn has given to me in this site.

as Ed said, he has provided dangerous info in the past that might get some newbie that doesnt know any better hurt.....near as we can figure the guy has a severe mental problem, ignoring him will not make him go away......he is in his 70's and gets off on [bleep] with people for entertainment......better off exposing the arsehole everytime he changes his name than some poor kid get hurt on our watch....

what is this so called "dangerous information"?

Are you qualified as a mental health professional?

Have you all tried ignoring him?

How do you know he is in his 70's

"our watch"! Seems like there are only about 15 people who have a problem with the guy. Thats out of how many on this site?

seems you have made a career out of trying to defend what he does.....near on a full 1/4 of your posts in the recent past have been trying to get us to leave Larry alone on threads in several forums.....guess you have a crush on the guy.....

22WRF,

If you want to learn about Larry Root, please feel free to start at the beginning and read through his posts. Of course that only scratches the surface and to truly get to know Mr. Root you would have had to exchange PM's with him. Since you have not had that privilege, or I would assume you haven't based on your defense of the indefensible, your position is weak.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/userposts/id/25094

I guess my question to you is if you don't know all these things that have happened over the last few years, why does it concern you so much? IOW what is YOUR motive?

Best Regards,

Ed

Ed nailed it on every single point.

I know Larry and Larry knows me. He has posted the supposed names of my father, brothers, sister, wife and children on this site.

He knows my address and has gone so far as to look it up on Google Earth.

He has made innumerable and easily discredited lies here and elsewhere.

He has denied sending me threatening emails when I have the emails he sent directly in front of me.

He has falsely credited me with orchestrating some sort of attack on him and has called Rick Bin my lapdog and much worse.

He has lied by pretending to be two other people and attacked me personally when I gave an honest review of a product I bought from him.

Larry has forfeited all his credibility, respect, and honor and he has earned my reproach.

If you, 22WRF, wish to see the complete story of Larry most of his many usernames have been consolidated under his original handle of Oldman1942.

Read it and weep.

Nsaqam

Well, I will have to agree with you on one thing, and that is the excellent quality of Ed's response to one of my previous posts here. He was respectful while still forcefully attempting to get his point across. He doesn't use ad hominem argument designed to put down the other person. And he makes some very good points.

So that brings me to this question.

"I guess my question to you is if you don't know all these things that have happened over the last few years, why does it concern you so much? IOW what is YOUR motive?"

My motive is, and always will be the truth. I am not saying that anyone here is deliberately lying about "Larry Root". But I am saying that I have read quite a bit of this whole saga, and about 95 percent of it is opinion (i.e. isn't supported by any hard evidence.)

I don't see this man as having an obsession with creating hate and discontent. Rather, I see him as a man who is responding in kind.

This kind of thing happens over and over and over here. A person advances his or her opinion on an issue. Here it started as Ruger # 1 triggers. Other people disagreed with the opinion. But instead of just saying they disagreed with the opinon and why they disagreed, some attacked like a bunch of sharks in a bloodmobile. And from then on it was response in kind!

Then you aren't looking very hard and you surely don't have the PM's and emails many of us have gotten from him.

The ones which piss me off the most are the many disparaging comments he's made about Rick Bin and this entire site in general.
Yet he ardently desires to be here, in a place he calls Rick's dung hole.
Does that sound like a reasonable man to you?

Go to Amazon and do a search for Wildcat Cartridges by Fred Zeglin and read the comments. Then get back to me with your thoughts on his behavior.

You'll likely have an excuse for him then too but that in itself will be illuminating.

Also, you apparently have no problem with Larry posting the names addresses and ages of my extended family.
I've never thought about doing that to him.

Your stance on this issue is hard to understand.

Quite simply put, you do not have the facts, and I nor anyone else is going present them to you to appease your curiosity.

I believe I have seen you post many times that if you don't like what someone posts don't read it. That would apply to you as well, as far as Larry is concerned, we do not have that option, he is constantly here under a new user name and a quickly as he can be ignored under that name he is using another.

The facts are there for all to see if they care to read, Twister999 IS Larry Root.

"Yet he ardently desires to be here, in a place he calls Rick's
dung hole.
Does that sound like a reasonable man to you?"

Once again, an assumption. Maybe not that he calls the place Rick's Dung Hole, but WHY he may call it that. He may call it Rick's Dung Hole because he doesn't like all of the people here who constantly attack him. I don't know that, but its just as plausible as any other explanation.

"Quite simply put, you do not have the facts, and I nor anyone else is going present them to you to appease your curiosity."

Another interesting thing that goes on here far too much. And that is everyone talking for everyone else. People talking for Rick, and people talking for this guy, and people talking for that guy. How do you know nobody else is going to present them to me or appease my curiosity? I think far too many people put a lot of words in other people's mouths around here, and that is how these things get going to the point where they are now. Kind of like politicians!!!

"I believe I have seen you post many times that if you don't like what someone posts don't read it."

I happen to like everybody's posts. I might not agree with them, but I enjoy hearing other people's opinions.


Nsaqam

I do agree. I don't think its proper to post the names of relatives or extended family here on 24 hour. But I also think that when something happens in life that you absolutely cannot change it isn't worth a heart attack or a stroke to sit there and worry about it for years to come.

Golly gee dogphuck, and not butting in but, 22WRF, would you happen to be a criminal defense attorney?

Gunner

Kevin (22WRF) is (or was) a barrister, so perhaps oldman Larry has retained his services?

It would certainly help to explain his defense of the indefensible. That, or birds of a feather...

That figures. My wife's idiot sister got a law degree, which pretty well led me to the conclusion that they just give those things away. And like the idiot sister-in-law, Kevin also lacks enough sense to pour piss out of a boot without the instructions written on the heel.

Holy flyin' squirrels nutsack that explains it perfectly

Thanks Fost.

Gunner

Today I was able to reach Larry (without even being in Pinedale.) We had a long conversation that covered all the topics quite well. I've tried to organize this post into segments to make it simple. So here goes:

The Beginning:

The attacks on Larry by a very few members lead by NSAQAM, began when Larry posted some guns for sale on the site. Among the terms he offered was lay-a-way, a time honored method of buying items started by JC Penny. It is still available in many businesses both brick and mortar and electronic. This provoked an attack by the 10 or so "regulators" of the site saying he could not do that and it violated site rules. They had no authority to decide what should be and a careful reading of site rules revealed no violation. One of these "men" even agreed to purchase a rifle and sent counterfeit money as a payment. That event, years ago, was the genesis of the attacks, engineered banning and outright lies that continue until today.

That leads us to the serial lies topic:

Although not alone, the boy who claims to be employed by OU as well as black is by far the worst. His outright lies as well as obscene way of dealing with almost everyone makes him special. AS with the rest of the gang he hides his identity but then makes the error of posting a photo of himself that shows a callow youth, hardly a threat to anyone. Among his catalog of lies the two whoppers are "Larry steals photos of guns and claims they are his." This thread provides an excellent example of how he interacts with others:
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/6328335/1
He was made a large bet that the guns were in fact Larry's and could be easily proven so by any number of ways. Realizing he had trapped himself along came whopper number two. He and "the gang" were coming to Pinedale to flush Larry out and prove he did not own the guns. The fact that they all knew beyond any reasonable doubt that Larry was in Florida at the time, didn't get through.
Bricktop then embarked on his journey to Pinedale but made the slight error (called out by Cole Younger) of using photographs taken at the wrong season of the year and, in some cases, at the wrong place. The traffic cam at the end of Larry's dead end road never showed Bricktop's arrival nor was his determination that Larry was hiding in the house born out by any footprints or tracks in the snow.
Nobody was there and Bricktop never came anywhere near Pinedale.
Along the way in this soap opera a $10,000 bet was placed on the reality of Larry owning the guns that was welched on by Bricktop. Next the gang was coming to Pinedale this summer to have a "Campfire" and, at first, stake out Larry's house. They even claimed to be renting a block of rooms at our Best Western. Another lie easily checked and invalidated. Once they realized staking out someone's house was not a bright idea it and then the whole Campfire vanished is a puff of smoke.

The big Pinedale visit:

A close third on the "I hate Larry" list is the gentleman from Texas FOsteology who claims to have just been in Pinedale but for some unknown reason was unable to pick up a phone book and arrange a "cuppa" at the Wrangler. The reason for that failure is he was not there at all in 2012. The photos he posted to prove his visit have a big "oops" factor. I'll limit the facts to three that Larry linked me to.

First is Larry's house. Take a look at the roof. The California shake roof shown by FOsty was replaced two years ago (remember two years) with fireproof fiberglass shingles.



Then we move along to the Pinedale road sign. Note that Fosty's says "17 "years a tree city, oops it's really 19.



Then we have the Cowboy Bar. The exterior shown in Fosty's picture was replaced almost two years ago and now looks like this:



Now I'll show you about Larry's service record. While some of these "men" may have served, it is safe to say you don't get your name on a rather fancy memorial to those who served, if you did not.




There were a lot more out right lies along the way like Fosty talking to people at Larry's gun club (tough to do when you are not here), the other liar who claimed to have talked to the President of the gun club who denied any conversation when asked by Larry, the fellow who "knew people in Rochester NY" (Larry's hometown) and was "gonna check him out". Nothing was heard on that. The misuse by those who never had any connection to it of the PA 28th division shoulder patch, in which Larry's father served as a highly decorated company commander.

To wrap it up, Larry seemed like a reasonable guy, faintily amused by all the attention from a small group of "men" too scared to follow through on all their threats, caught in lie after lie, making wild allegations with no proof and screwing up what is a pretty good site to buy, sell, swap and pass along some facts/opinions IF you can avoid becoming a target of this tiny group that have convinced themselves they own the site.

We talked about the other sites he was on that had actual monitors who would never tolerate these obscene orchestrated attacks based on nothing but envy, hatred and jelousy. He explained to me how the computer experts who are members of the gun clubs (3 in the area) have frustrated the "men" at every turn making their nasty way of life meaningless to anyone who wants to use the site as an adult.

The final plus in my book was an open invitation to put in for a Wyoming Antelope tag and be hosted by Larry at his home. Since he lives right on the main Antelope migration route in the state with the most Antelope, that would be an exciting hunt. He said a "bad day" was when you didn't see 500 with 50 shootable bucks.

Alongtime friend of his from USAF days bagged this nice buck last year.




I suppose that wraps it up. I'll let the reader decide just what a terrible threat this nice senior is to the fabric of the Campfire.

Law degrees don't do anything for you. I agree, they used to give them away. When I got mine it only cost about $45,000.00, but I understand now that at some places its costing almost $100,000.00 or more.

I love it when people use ad hominem arguments against lawyers. The best place to hear it is of course in the courtroom because the judges will tell the person using ad hominem to shut up real quick. But I like hearing it here as well because its so classic to the definition of ad hominem. A centuries old tactic. If your not smart enought to say something relevant to the real subject at hand, atttack your opponents person, hoping you might get away with it. There are those of course who will agree with the ad hominem argument, thereby putting them in the same class as the person who made the argument in the first place. But most intelligent people see it for what it is and just laugh to theirself.

What is even more funny is when you run into someone whom you have heard put down lawyers just like here, and then later when they needed a lawyer the lawyer they hired was the greatest person on earth, even if the guy they were representing was a scumbag!!! Or to put it another way, it all depends on what side you are on!

Bwaahaaaaaaa! Larry you're so full of it!

You seem to forget Larry that I was one of the only people defending your actions in the infamous layaway thread.

Would you like me to post that thread?

You may remember Larry that we talked about your friends in the Keys and how you often went to the opera because you and your wife enjoyed it.

You then blew any friendship I may have had with you by including me, the only guy defending you, in a ranting and nonsensical PM.

As well as all the numerous lies, falsehoods, multiple identities, outright threats to me after inviting me to Pinedale, and your posting of my extended families supposed names, addresses and ages.

Not to mention your whining emails to me after I purchased from you a copy of a book you were selling. You know Larry, the ones where you call this place Rick's dung hole and call him a spineless turd.

You're not fooling anyone but 22WRF here Larry

What a pathetic little "man" you are Larry.

Gunner

Larry is anything if not predictable!

Keep spinning your yarns as only you can Larry. And while you're at it, how about regaling us again with you heroic exploits during your 3 tours in 'Nam as a THUDS / F-105 "Fighter Pilot"??... Remember, loosing your friends over Red River....bunking with "Marine Snipers"... expert Marksman Badges with four different weapons... 600 and 1000 yard matches that you won while in the Air Force... your much claimed and touted combat service...

Absolutely riveting and fascinating tales!

Even more so since your DD214 didn't reflect ANY of those tall tales!

You were NOT a fighter pilot (nor any other type)
NO sniper action nor association
NO combat service
NO reflection of these so called qualifications with FOUR weapons
NO mention of these LR matches you supposedly won....

You were just a communications nerd assigned to the Autodin switch in Korat.

Wasn't enough to be truthful for once in your pathetic excuse for a life and just say you served honorably. You had to weave a fantastical tale of heroism in an attempt to impress others, and bolster your flagging ego.

You're a sad pathetic little shell of a man....

Who's "twister999" today? The old geriatric [bleep] or the ole [bleep] with hot flashes suffering menopause? Or perhaps your boyfriend Duane or Roger? Maybe your dog Brandy?? LOL