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Monkey Face, TRH, and a few others, now is your chance to experience what you have been longing for. Almost total un -lawlessness. Just load up your families and move out to the NYC area for about a week. Then you will appreciate having a semblance of law and order, if you survive. And I doubt that you could.

Those aren't free people, they're government-dependent people who have been abandoned by their nanny.

Monkey Face owns an airplane. Wonder who built the runway he uses? And the hanger? Plus any other airport that he might land at? And the facilities?

If someone lives the life of a hermit, is any form of gov. even really noticed ?

Monkey Face owns an airplane. Wonder who built the runway he uses? And the hanger? Plus any other airport that he might land at? And the facilities?

Monkey Face, TRH, and a few others, now is your chance to experience what you have been longing for. Almost total un -lawlessness. Just load up your families and move out to the NYC area for about a week. Then you will appreciate having a semblance of law and order, if you survive. And I doubt that you could.

Those aren't free people, they're government-dependent people who have been abandoned by their nanny.

I guess it depends on if a guy supports an anarchist?

People who's actions help O

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No federal, state or local government is needed to create such facilities and their creation without them is certainly much more efficient.

Obviously there are some fundamentals that you need to review.

Aren't some of those folks (NYC area) almost neighbor's of yours ?

Monkey Face owns an airplane.

And how did you know I owned an airplane?

How did you know I lived in the NYC area?

Don't you remember taking me for a ride???

That's where Penny lives right ?

Derby, Google "Marshall law declared in Jersey Shore."

Isn't that "marital" law? I could be wrong.

He's referring to the law established by actor William Marshall, i.e., "Never Endow Artificially Intelligent Machines With Human Engrams."

It's obvious that most on here have no idea of what anarchy is or means.

Oh okay. See I don't know everything.

It's their favorite alinsky type buzzword for anything less than the current amount of government/laws/etc. & the bloated, unsustainable, empty teated pig she has become.

Statists, gotta love 'em. Todays Tories.

WTF are you nerds talking about?


Travis

Yes...when you've worked your entire life looking for & filing a placer claim under the mining law of 1872 & are then pretty much chased out from your claim by threats from a minerals manager of the USFS who pretty much has the last word...what are you gonna do against the thugs who are gonna use helicopters & the local leo's to impound your equipment & lock your ass up under bogus charges??? I seen the writing on the wall...& it said I would either end up in jail or in a grave...

That claim had a horrendous amount of gold on it, & it had a lot in common with the "Big Nugget" claim on the discovery channel with the exception that it had well in excess of the meager values they show...the thing that really upsets me though is that I was willing to comply with any & all of this particular "minerals managers" demands & was told (by him) he'd NEVER approve my "plan of operation" for that particular piece of ground...

Mining has been my first love since I picked my first piece of gold out of the pan over 40 years ago but in my naivete, I figured I'd be protected....not only by our laws, but by the people that enforce them...I haven't checked to see if my old claim has been filed over, but it would surprise me if it hasn't...

Early on in my mining journey another spot I had intended to claim was on the North Fork of the American river, below a spot called "green valley" a schittload of gold, but in the infinite wisdom of the federal government, it was reclassified into a "Wild & Scenic" river a long time ago...

Every time I turn around, it seems as though "THE GOVT" in one form or the other seems intent on shoving it up my ass in one form or the other...

So yeah...even if you live the life of a hermit, you WILL be noticed...

One thing that I don't understand, & probably never will though is WHY??? What I mean is "why" anybody could be against another person pulling money "minerals" out of the ground & actually "creating" wealth...

My "retirement" plan for the past 40 or so years has been to collect social security & mine for gold...one way or another, I'll beat them bastards...

That was _you?_ Okay, but how did you know it was my airplane? My brother's looks almost just like it, and he's the one who made the deal.

Because_it_had a_ Monkey Face on the vertical fin_.

Those aren't free people, they're government-dependent people who have been abandoned by their nanny.

I thought they were people who buy vital services from mostly private companies whose products or distribution systems have failed, and are now looking to the government for assistance. But since you make that statement, I don't imagine you understand the role of the government or FEMA in the instance of a disaster.

Are they really?
I thought they were people who buy vital services from mostly private companies whose products or distribution systems have failed, and are now looking to the government for assistance. But since you make that statement, I don't imagine you understand the role of the government or FEMA in the instance of a disaster.

Sure I do. I just read an article about a guy who drove his pickup truck outside the gasoline-starved area and loaded up a bunch of food-grade 5-gallon plastic buckets (because that's what he had) with gasoline to take back in and sell to folks who needed it--that is, an entrepreneur taking the initiative to follow free-market pressures that stimulate distribution by attracting resources from where they're plentiful and cheap to where they're rare and valuable.

The government arrested him for carrying gasoline in unapproved containers and confiscated his cargo.

That's the role of government and FEMA in the instance of a disaster: to frustrate the free market, assault and kill people, and maintain conditions of squalor and dependence for as long as possible.

Are they really?
I thought they were people who buy vital services from mostly private companies whose products or distribution systems have failed, and are now looking to the government for assistance. But since you make that statement, I don't imagine you understand the role of the government or FEMA in the instance of a disaster.

Sure I do. I just read an article about a guy who drove his pickup truck outside the gasoline-starved area and loaded up a bunch of food-grade 5-gallon plastic buckets (because that's what he had) with gasoline to take back in and sell to folks who needed it--that is, an entrepreneur taking the initiative to follow free-market pressures that stimulate distribution by attracting resources from where they're plentiful and cheap to where they're rare and valuable.

The government arrested him for carrying gasoline in unapproved containers and confiscated his cargo.

That's the role of government and FEMA in the instance of a disaster: to frustrate the free market, assault and kill people, and maintain conditions of squalor and dependence for as long as possible.

Sure I do. I just read an article about a guy who drove his pickup truck outside the gasoline-starved area and loaded up a bunch of food-grade 5-gallon plastic buckets (because that's what he had) with gasoline to take back in and sell to folks who needed it--that is, an entrepreneur taking the initiative to follow free-market pressures that stimulate distribution by attracting resources from where they're plentiful and cheap to where they're rare and valuable.

The government arrested him for carrying gasoline in unapproved containers and confiscated his cargo.

That's the role of government and FEMA in the instance of a disaster: to frustrate the free market, assault and kill people, and maintain conditions of squalor and dependence for as long as possible.

You're only half right. Here it's the union's [bleep] things up to get the power restored.

I'm not half right I'm one hundred percent right as usual at least in these matters. Governments and unions are criminal enterprises by nature.

Legislatively perhaps. But collective bargaining is pure capitalism...supply & demand.

Legislatively perhaps. But collective bargaining is pure capitalism...supply & demand.

In this instance you're half right. I'm not seeing where the gov is blocking power resoration here in NJ. I agree that both are criminal enterprises by nature.

Legislatively perhaps. But collective bargaining is pure capitalism...supply & demand.

Collective bargaining is not pure capitalism because collective bargaining is based on theft. Nobody is going to consent to theft unless force is employed.

One person starts out with no marbles while the other person has all the marbles. The one who wants the marbles from the one who has the marbles uses force to obtain the marbles. That's not capiltalism pure or other wise.

Well you are closer to the action than I am being about 2500 miles away but from what I understand the government has done nothing to shut down the union from stopping non-union line men from restoring power.

Absolutely incorrect. In the context of a free market, labor may coordinate freely in establishing their price (i.e., wage) just as merchants may do so regarding their prices, if they like. By doing this, however, in a free system, both expose themselves to the risk of other workers or merchants undercutting them. What government in the US does, however, is to outlaw the undercutting part, i.e., interfering with natural operation of the free market in the establishment of prices. Wages are merely prices for labor.

In this instance they've done nothing to help or hurt the situation. If they did try to step in you guys would be saying they are evil for stepping in.

As usual I'm right as I almost always am. In the context of a free market there is no such thing as collective bargaining. Collective bargaining requires a group of at least two and when you have at least two force always enters into the collective bargaining.

You are being self-contradictory. If I'm free, and so are you, then we are free to inform our employer of our intention to stop working absent some condition we would like, such as higher wages or safer work conditions. If we are not free to do that, then the market isn't free. The problem arises only when the force of the state enters into the relationship preventing the employer from firing us and hiring permanent replacements.

I'm never self-contradictory. Collective bargaining is always force.

I think government is evil anyway but in this case the government has a legitimate function to step in and make the recovery move as fast as possible. But as usual, government is more a problem than a solution.

C'maaan--I thought you were serious.

But really--how did you know I owned an airplane?

An agreement on the part of employees to stop working absent a desired condition be met constitutes force??? How is choosing not to work (individually or as a group) an exercise of force? Preventing them from doing so would be force, more familiarly known as slavery.

Barak,I'm pretty sure you've mentioned it before.Not in a bragging way...... it just fit in a post you made.Don't ask when.

Same with NYC,I guess.Although in THAT instance,somebody else may have "outed" you.

Point is,I knew - or thought I knew - those two things about you,

So when it's convenient for you, the gubberment is good. Thanks for clearing that up.

..unfortunately the only humans that tend toward the management system are the seekers of power, criminals, and the lazy....

Careful, you're talking badly of potential clients for Barak and Penny.

An agreement on the part of employees to stop working absent a desired condition be met constitutes force??? How is choosing not to work (individually or as a group) an exercise of force? Preventing them from doing so would be force, more familiarly known as slavery.

What creates force is stopping the employer from replacing the workers who refuse to work for whatever the reason. The problem with collective bargaining is it always results in the use of force one way or another whether there is government force to back it up or not.

All true, which makes it difficult to decide whether Barak or Bigbuck215 is the most incorrect.

Barak and Penny have a Christian ministry that attempts to save souls and train people to be productive citizens.

http://kpmifoundation.org/index.php

What creates force is stopping the employer from replacing the workers who refuse to work for whatever the reason.

The problem with collective bargaining is it always results in the use of force one way or another whether there is government force to back it up or not.

Not all unions have the luxury of a work stop. Not if you are a LEO here in NJ anyway.

So you're OK with the gov having that power over me or anyone else ? I'm surprised. Guess you don't really believe in workplace rights then either.

What power? That of not bowing to your demands as employees? Yes. Absolutely? You don't own your job. Your employer does. If you think you're worth more than what you're getting, or are required to work too many hours, or whatever, go find another employer offering terms more to your liking.

Is that what you teachers do ?

Is that what you teacher's do ? Do you have some incidents where that happened ?

Well, when I said "teachers" I was referring to you guys as a group. I think we both know the answer.

Glad you agree then.