|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179 |
I shouldn't comment on that as I use the 257R the most. Oh but the Roberts is a whole different animal and has the KOOL factor. You know it's a totally different CALIBER !!
jwall- *** 3100 guy***
A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap
Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,967 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,967 Likes: 2 |
I don't shoot RNs in mine.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,269 Likes: 42
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,269 Likes: 42 |
jwall,
Actually, Eleanor O'Connor chose the 7x57. Jack had one made for himself, but after Eleanor shot it she essentially said, "This one's mine." Jack eventually got another one built, which he used extensively toward the end of his life.
The cartridge he actually chose for Eleanor was the .257 Roberts, when they were living in Arizona. But she evidently wanted a little more zap when they moved to Idaho and could hunt elk every year.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,307 Likes: 2
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,307 Likes: 2 |
The 270 is CLEARLY heads and shoulders over the 7x57, esp with pointy bullets. The 7x57 is kind of a dinosaur, so the RNs are a very fitting bullet to use in them. This is a particularly vicious attack on my internet persona.... But I appreciate you going to the trouble of finding a 7x57, a dinosaur, and photographing them together....
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 96,170 Likes: 5
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 96,170 Likes: 5 |
jwall,
Actually, Eleanor O'Connor chose the 7x57. Jack had one made for himself, but after Eleanor shot it she essentially said, "This one's mine." Jack eventually got another one built, which he used extensively toward the end of his life.
The cartridge he actually chose for Eleanor was the .257 Roberts, when they were living in Arizona. But she evidently wanted a little more zap when they moved to Idaho and could hunt elk every year. When Eleanor was going to hunt Tigers in India,she had Lenard Brownell make her a .30-06,it was her "Big" gun. She also used it on Elephant using 220 gr Solids.
Life Member SCI Life Member DSC Member New Mexico Shooting Sports Association
Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
Ken
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 20,832 Likes: 3
Campfire Ranger
|
OP
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 20,832 Likes: 3 |
But I appreciate you going to the trouble of finding a 7x57, a dinosaur, and photographing them together.... Still quick, nice. Anyway, it will not be old school RNs for the Kimber .300Savage. Remembered that when I first got it 150gr Nosler NBTs were showing promise, so after the Steelers took a thumping I loaded some up and made a quick trip to the range. For a light rifle it shined with them and I have around 350. 130gr TTSXs will be saved for the .308Ws which already have loads worked up. Things are great.
laissez les bons temps rouler
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 20,832 Likes: 3
Campfire Ranger
|
OP
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 20,832 Likes: 3 |
Again, I didn't take offense to anything you or anyone else wrote on the subject. Well there was one, but he was just pissing in the wind. THIS ONE?? The 7x57 IS morally, intellectually, and panache-wise superior to all others. With or without RNs Careful, Ingwe learned how to call up bad mojo from all that time spent in Africa. He starts dancing with the snakes and it could get ugly.
laissez les bons temps rouler
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179 |
jwall- *** 3100 guy***
A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap
Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,680
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,680 |
I use the 154 Hornady RN bullets in my 7mm-08, scary accurate and very deadly. When they were discontinued by Hornady, picked up a few hundred at a discount price. 100-150 yds is a long shot where we hunt One with CLB and my youngest
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179 |
jwall,
Actually, Eleanor O'Connor chose the 7x57. Jack had one made for himself, but after Eleanor shot it she essentially said, "This one's mine." Jack eventually got another one built, which he used extensively toward the end of his life.
Now there you go...confusing my memory with FACTS. I want to remember it My Way.
jwall- *** 3100 guy***
A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap
Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,307 Likes: 2
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,307 Likes: 2 |
Some call them spots, some call them skid marks. Whatever works for you....
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 56,274 Likes: 37
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 56,274 Likes: 37 |
You are "Guaranteed" your shot is going to be 100yards and under on Whitetails.
I've seen the plan Jane Round Nose bullets often shoot amazingly well at 100 and they have an excellent track record for that kind of work. Yet the majority don't use them.
Why? Really good question. My experience mirrors yours, Ive shot RNs and they invariably shoot well. Anyone who casts bullets will tell you the closer to cylindrical that they get, the better they shoot. ( Hence the use of full wadcutters for target shooting.) They make pointy nose bullets? This is progress...........?
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,307 Likes: 2
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,307 Likes: 2 |
I have heard of these things. I don't know what the hell the world is coming to......
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,269 Likes: 42
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,269 Likes: 42 |
I think they're called "spritzers," or at least that's what spell-check keeps calling them....
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 5,159 Likes: 1
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 5,159 Likes: 1 |
More important than the type of bullet, can the user put it where it belongs?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,520
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,520 |
At 125yds 175 RN in a 7mag will body slam a big pa buck with a high shoulder shot like a pissed off hulk hogan... 20 yrs ago of course.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179 |
Battue -
Related to your o p, a sincere question.
What advantage/s do R N bullets have over 'spritzers' ?
The only two I can think of ?maybe? available, cheaper.
jwall- *** 3100 guy***
A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap
Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 20,832 Likes: 3
Campfire Ranger
|
OP
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 20,832 Likes: 3 |
I could reverse the question and ask what advantage a pointed bullet has over a RN at 100. (An original qualifier that many seem willing to ignore.) Some good points have been addressed I.E. speed, penetration, etc. A RN has a large amount of exposed lead and at .300Savage speeds with the right weight-I'm thinking, but never used them in a .300Savage-they should open wide, not come apart, leave a large wound channel and have enough penetration to be more than adequate on Deer. I haven't used them in years and didn't realize that the weight options have become so limited. I wouldn't want a 180gr for a .300Savage, but would have really liked to try a 150 for old times sake in an old time cartridge. That's about all the why I have. Hoooooever, I liked NBTs even when many thought they were nothing more than a big bang with little push. Today's offerings of them have more push according to those who know, probably will give them a go. Fired these six off yesterday. Still had a little light, but thought why take the chance of ruining some positive feelings. I'm sure the barrel gremlins were happy with me for some reason at 200, so I'll give them more than a little credit. I know, the rifle and I are far from the 0.5 MOA Campfire standard. It's the burden I have to live with.
Last edited by battue; 09/09/13.
laissez les bons temps rouler
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179 |
battue - First - good shooting. Second - don't beg the question , which was yours. Third - I'd agree per speed and penetration INSIDE 100 yds. However I can tell you from experience of 'some' spitzers that'll do that at 'slow' speed. What puts me in a different category is, and I'm serious, since 1987 where I've been hunting 50 - 400 yds. is more the norm. I have been a member of 2 deer leases and even when going to hunt in the woods, open terrain and longer shots are always possible. Even hunting where I did last yr. and again this yr. I mostly hunt in the woods but again more open terrain and longer shots are in the vicinity and possible. This is the reason I can not see limiting myself, rifle, and load to 100 yds. That's in response to your ? about the benefit of pointy bullets. Thanks Jerry
jwall- *** 3100 guy***
A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap
Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 20,832 Likes: 3
Campfire Ranger
|
OP
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 20,832 Likes: 3 |
Well, if I had to stretch it some, I'm positive I would have had a little cushion. Not a 400yard one for sure, but 200 wouldn't have scared me. 335 is the furthest I've shot one and that was with a 7mm-08. A few have been around 200 and the vast majority 100 and under, so I would have been playing the odds on where I hunt and being realistic about my own abilities.
I much prefer close than far. The closer the better
Addition: If one beat me with distance, he beat me. Move on and either get closer or find another.
No question points win when there is big air and even a little wind.
Last edited by battue; 09/09/13.
laissez les bons temps rouler
|
|
|
|
494 members (17CalFan, 1badf350, 1234, 160user, 10Glocks, 10ring1, 39 invisible),
13,658
guests, and
941
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,195,116
Posts18,542,168
Members74,057
|
Most Online21,066 May 26th, 2024
|
|
|
|