|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,938 Likes: 1
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,938 Likes: 1 |
What part of this statement didn't you understand?
"Tell that to the families of those hunters killed or injured because the shooter just knew he was shooting at a deer......."
CR
You get dummer with every posts. Still not getting "ones knows" the only way to know is to "identify" first. Geez!
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,938 Likes: 1
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,938 Likes: 1 |
What part of this statement didn't you understand?
"Tell that to the families of those hunters killed or injured because the shooter just knew he was shooting at a deer......."
CR
One more time and I am typing slow, if some one shot another for a deer then they did not "know" their target. That is very simple to understand. No where did I post "if you think it is a deer" get in the scope. No where was that even implied except by you.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,065
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,065 |
Every year there are reports of accidental shootings because they just knew they were shooting at a deer. When the trigger is pulled they're sure they identified their target as a deer. What part of that eludes you?
CR
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,938 Likes: 1
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,938 Likes: 1 |
Every year there are reports of accidental shootings because they just knew they were shooting at a deer. When the trigger is pulled they're sure they identified their target as a deer. What part of that eludes you?
CR No "they just thought" that is obvious that they did not identify the target first. You keep missing this obvious point. The obvious eludes you again.
Last edited by jwp475; 12/17/14.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 10,856 Likes: 48
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 10,856 Likes: 48 |
What part of this statement didn't you understand?
"Tell that to the families of those hunters killed or injured because the shooter just knew he was shooting at a deer......."
CR
You get dummer with every posts. Still not getting "ones knows" the only way to know is to "identify" first. Geez!
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179
Campfire Ranger
|
OP
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179 |
So, what will your position be if and when it does happen? CR And the answer to your ? is....... ..... I would NOT like being scoped nor 'ironed'...so I don't do it !!
Ain't gonna happen, " I DON'T DO IT" You need reading COMPREHENSION therapy!!
jwall- *** 3100 guy***
A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap
Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179
Campfire Ranger
|
OP
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179 |
What part of this statement didn't you understand?
"Tell that to the families of those hunters killed or injured because the shooter just knew he was shooting at a deer......."
CR
You get dummer with every posts. Still not getting "ones knows" the only way to know is to "identify" first. Geez! Somebody gets it!
jwall- *** 3100 guy***
A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap
Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,938 Likes: 1
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,938 Likes: 1 |
No one has advocated determining if it is a deer or not with the rifle scope, but once one has identified a deer, it is cool to get in the scope and prepare for a shot if it is viable.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,898
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,898 |
......or you could just use binoculars to look at things instead of pointing your rifle at them. CR Yep. If you have time to fiddle with scope magnification, or watch the buck chase a doe for several minutes, you have time to use binos.
Okay fellas, I'm going to be nice. I'll not say how your statements show your ignorance and inexperience at WT hunting in the South or any thicker vegetation. I'll not mention how little time we have MOST of the time in an encounter with a WT buck. I'll not mention how it takes longer to focus binos than to TWIST the adjustment ring on a variable scope. Oh! the horror of pointing a rifle at a deer "DURING" deer season!! WT hunting in many places is quite different than goat hunting on the prairie. Some things can only be learned thru experience with WT in typical WT habitat. Please give me credit, I could have been much more critical. I�ll give you credit for being a complete fugging idiot. I knew there must have been a reason I had you on ignore. Shouldn�t have toggled. What makes you think I don�t hunt whitetail in the brush?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,898
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,898 |
And if your own eyes made the decision for you? I had to use binos on this guy due to him being out a bit and lighting. I didn't on this guy, again due to distance-close-and lighting. My beef is with those who say one must always use binos first. All situations are different. But the OP said it was a question of legality. AND it seems that he would have had time to use binocs to make sure it was legal. Not criticizing and NEVER said that all hunters absolutely have to use their binoculars before they shoulder their rifle and shoot. That's absurd to the one hundert gazillionth degree. Yep. I don�t think anyone here said that binos needed to be used on all game.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,898
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,898 |
I just went through my safes of guns and I did find a fixed power K-3 on my single shot 22. Other than that I don't own a fixed power scope. I am happy for all you 4x and 6X users, but I have plenty of power on some of my scopes and more power on all of the rest......
I can't remember when I OWNED/USED a fixed X scope. I DON'T own/use a fixed X even on a 22 rf. I have a 2-7 on my Mzldr. NOT ONE time have I ever felt I would have been better served with any fixed scope. edited to add >>>Good Night, Catch up tomorrow! Then how would you know that a variable is superior?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,898
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,898 |
I've been using high powered variables for decades for the reasons mentioned. Different strokes I suppose. I did get a kick out of the comment on time adjusting the mag. I leave my scopes on 6-8 power and can max them in about one second, usually while in the process of shouldering the rifle. Different areas call for different tactics. Binos aren't needed here at home, I only carry them because I can see down lanes better during the last few mins of legal light. They will flat cost you a deer if you dick with them when a deer is present as you usually have about 3 seconds from first seeing a buck to never seeing him again. OTOH when I hunt in TX, CO, or WY, I use them all day long as it seems one may have minutes + to take the shot. As far as judging deer in mere seconds, it's comes from lots of encounters over the years. It mostly boils down to the oh schit factor I�ve seen deer lost because people were dicking around adjusting their scope magnification when they should have been shooting. That is, multiple persons. People. That being said, if a guy has time to adjust his scope magnification, he has time to transition from binos to his rifle.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,065
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,065 |
Ain't gonna happen, " I DON'T DO IT"
You need reading COMPREHENSION therapy!!
Try stamping your feet and typing a little louder, you just about have me convinced...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,065
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,065 |
No one has advocated determining if it is a deer or not with the rifle scope, but once one has identified a deer, it is cool to get in the scope and prepare for a shot if it is viable.
No arguments on that statement here, it's the people that are too lazy or can't figure out how to focus binocs that use their rifle scope to determine what they're looking at that I have issue with. CR
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179
Campfire Ranger
|
OP
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179 |
I can't remember when I OWNED/USED a fixed X scope. I DON'T own/use a fixed X even on a 22 rf.
Then how would you know that a variable is superior? COMPREHENSION !! I did not say "I've NEVER used a fixed X scope" ! I said I can't remember WHEN I did!! I also did NOT say the variable scopes were "superior". I feel they are better FOR ME !
jwall- *** 3100 guy***
A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap
Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179
Campfire Ranger
|
OP
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 19,179 |
That being said, if a guy has time to adjust his scope magnification, he has time to transition from binos to his rifle.
As hard as it is for you to say, think, or accept, you are WRONG in that conjecture. Is your name 'Fonzy'?
jwall- *** 3100 guy***
A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap
Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,898
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,898 |
What don�t you understand?
Trying to conduct a meaningful conversation about guns and hunting with you is like talking about particle physics with a retarded 6 year old. It�s just not worth the time and effort.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 10,430
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 10,430 |
Many rifles that I buy have 3x-9x scopes on them and I sell those scopes cheap at gun shows.
I wish I knew when/where your shows are!! The reason I prefer light weight rifles is that it allows room for a somewhat LARGER scope and still maintain reasonable weight overall. I'd take a 2x - 7x over a 3x - 9x on almost any application unless I knew I'd be shooting at long distances or small targets in particular prairie dogs come to mind. If I needed 9x to hit a deer, I think I'd need to learn some hunting stalking skills.
I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 46,092 Likes: 5
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 46,092 Likes: 5 |
Personally, I think threads about good reasons to shoot an uber-magnum are much more useful. Actually, check that. A thread about good reasons to drive an Uber-Avalanche would be more useful.
A wise man is frequently humbled.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 15,565
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 15,565 |
......or you could just use binoculars to look at things instead of pointing your rifle at them.
CR That was my first thought. I agree there isn't always time. But I have done well without high powered scopes for a long time......
Last edited by 2muchgun; 12/17/14.
|
|
|
|
580 members (160user, 17CalFan, 222Sako, 219 Wasp, 219DW, 007FJ, 62 invisible),
2,261
guests, and
1,258
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,192,279
Posts18,486,792
Members73,967
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|