In the recent American Rifleman they introduce Tract optics. I spent a little time chatting on line with the founder, Jon, about their binoculars. John was in senior management at Nikon before starting Tract and he mentioned he had been in touch with Rick Bin. The bin's had all the standard features in a lightweight, very attractive package, - made in Japan. I appreciated his taking the time with me today.

I have looked at a number of newer companies in my quest for the perfect smallish binocular and these guys look promising and have me marking most off the check boxes on my list of features. I am hoping someone might have had a chance to see\feel some of their products and chime in.

Oh- nice little ballistic calculator on their site too.

Tract optics

These sort of things seem to be popping up everywhere lately;

Maven is ex Brunton guys
Styrka is ex Kowa guys
Tract is ex Nikon guys

Interesting.

Hi JG, I didn't know Styrka was ex Kowa- no wonder I liked them. They were also really responsive when I chatted with them and offer a good bundle. Jon at Tract seems like a good dude too- and I like that their line is Japanese of course. Only the S7 Syrka line is, the S5 which is what I was most interested in was Chinese, like Snypex and Carson. The Mavens are nice but pricey.
I was poking Jon about coming out with a 7x35. Would love to see one and think it might make a company stand out a bit.

Good stuff kenjs1. These are great times to be an optics junkie! I honestly believe the high end alpha makers will feel a crunch affecting their top end products because the mid-level stuff ($500-$1000)is getting to be so good.

FWIW Jon is a stand up guy and has a wonderful optics background.

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the kind note Kenjs1. You said it Doug, Jon is a great guy and absolutely lives for quality optics.

This is our first post here at 24hr, but you'll be seeing us a lot. In the coming weeks I'll be introducing more of Tract to the shooters here to give you guys the information you need on Tract if you're in the market for a scope or binocular....or like most of us, feeding the optic addition, .

If you have any questions on or about Tract always feel free to shoot me a message. I just got back from a plains game hunt in Africa and I'm dying to write and post a review.

Trevor
Tract Optics

Trevor,

hoping to get to check out your products in Fort Worth at the trophy Hunter show first weekend in August.

Jon will be there and will be more than happy to show you the line up. I'm thinking it may be one of those "wow" moments once you look thru the glass. Love to hear your thoughts after you get some time with them.

Trevor
Tract Optics

Trevor, what would you compare the glass in your Toric binocular line to? Is there any plans for an 8x32? Thanks!

The Toric line seems like a solid product for their price range, doesn`t hurt they have a lifetime warranty.

JG,

I'll just preface this by a short background. I have about 12 years in the outdoor/hunting/optics industry. Worked product management at OpticsPlanet for 5 years as well. While there I was lucky enough to use, shoot, test, and abuse every major optic company. Also got the nice employee discount so I have way more binos and scopes than I need.....whom I kidding, I need them all!

That being said, when I first looked thru the Toric I was very impressed. Then Jon told me the price, and I was blown away. I may ruffle feathers, but the truth is going to come out either way. This glass is just as good as the Razor HD. If you were doing side by side comparisons with the swaro SLC, you'd be hard pressed to notice a difference. Zeiss conquest? Flat out better.
I know that's a tall order, but I'm standing behind that. Have a 30 day return policy if they aren't up to your liking, have the Tract trust assurance guarantee as well. We got you covered.

That all being said, I have a great story from when I used my Toric 10x42 in Limpopo SA a few weeks back. Around day 5 of the hunt my PH's had asked about them being that they hadn't recognized the name. Both looked thru them, and I kid you not, one PH asked me if he could use them the rest of the hunt. He said they were much better than his. He then took off his harness holding a Leupold McKinley and used my Toric the next 4 days. He offered to purchase them at the end of the hunt, and I'll just say they stayed in Africa with them...

Trevor
Tract Optics

Forgot your second question...as for an 8x32....there might be a few more models on the docket

Trevor
Tract Optics

Thanks Trevor. Nice to have you around, and thanks for answering. Welcome to the 'fire too.

Please show us a 30mm tube with mil mil. Reticle.

Thanks JG. Happy to be here.

Sidepass,

Lots of irons in the fire . We came out with what we wanted in a core hunting offering at various price points and have already expanded it with the 22Fire and Response scopes. BUT...there is more coming...

Thanks for the info. My next project should be done in sept and I'll need some new optics. Lol
thanks Trevor

Welcome to the fire...have you done any extensive testing on the tracking and RTZ?

Trevor,

Any chance you could post a photo of the eye cups on the bino? Mainly interested in the girth (or lack thereof) around the oculars. Thank you, and, welcome to the fire.

I like that you are straight up and honest. If what you say is true then some of the big names had better be very worried. I may try a set for this season. If true I'll sing your praises, if not I'll be brutally honest in my assessment and comparisons.

I've had both the Razor HD 10x42 and the Swaro SLC HD 10x42. The Razor was good, not great. Decent glass, excellent warranty and pretty lightweight. The Swaro SLC is a damn fine pair of binoculars. Very bright and clear, with an excellent view. Only reason I sold them was I never used them, I was always behind my Swaro SLC HD 15x56

Was about to pull the trigger on a pair of Meopta Meostar 8x42 HD's. They have great reviews and a very good military discount. I'm looking forward to seeing how these compare as I am a bit of a optics junky.

Welcome to the Fire Trevor.

Doug I was glad to see I didn't ruffle feathers by the introduction and was happy to see your endorsement of Jon.

Oh boy do we. Thousands and thousands of rounds in development and testing. I have a 2-10x Toric on a 300 Win right now that I must have "shot the box" for a straight 40 rounds with damn near perfect results. Even make a game out of it, move the box from 1" to 2", reverse it, etc. It plain just tracks perfectly and returns to zero everytime.



I'll gladly get a photo up asap.

Thanks STS. I would love to see some reviews posted here. I'm a realist, and you need good with the bad, but when you pick up the Toric and really start looking through it, and see that price tag at ~$660... you'll be quite happy. And that's just the bino, let alone the scopes. Keeping in mind we also various product models to give the consumer pricing options.

Guys, we're very open about our pricing model. We cut out layers of margin and profit and we sell direct to the consumer. If anyone's worked in comsumer packaged goods, or any business industry, you know when a manufacturer sells to a retailer, the retailer charges and needs a hefty margin on item. We're going right from the manufacturer (us) to you. That's our answer to getting higher quality optics in sportsman's hands for a lot less money.

I'll be posting a coupon code for forum users here shortly as well guys. I want to earn your business and want to be here for any questions, Comments, or concerns.

Trevor
Tract Optics
www.tractoptics.com

I was trying to locate how you reticules look as wells as the BDC.....I found the BDC by accident on your calculator. I have to say I LIKE it much better than nikon. I do like my nikons. 2 monarch binos, 4 or 5 scopes. If you improved on nikon and offer better scope at better price I can't wait to try you out.
Do you offer CDS type turrets. as much I like your BDC, I am going over to turrets.

May Question for you is what about your warranty?
lets say you go BK in 5 years, what good is a life time warranty if you're not around? who will take care of the repair?

Trevor,

You oughtta be fhuqking EMBARRASSED,for saying schit sooooooooo fhuqking Stupid. I shot 1000's and 1000's of rounds yesterday alone,though in fairness to nothing past the 1750yd line and never asked much more than 39.7 Mils from a single scope's erector travel(Anschutz 1717D HB 17HMR/10x MQ),nor 7.2 Mils from anything's windage adjustments(all of it dialed as a wind threshold anchor,then conditions slid on the reticle from there) . How do you keep a straight face trying to peddle dogschit,with the "Testimonal" of gunning a 1" to 2" "box" as "affirmation" of a platform's "sanctity"? Read that again,now one more time,this time aloud,print it and have someone else read it back to you. Hint.

Now it is more than a touch alarming that a Nikon Bean Counter is calling the shots,because Nikon has never made a Bino,Spotter or Riflescope worth a fhuqk. Read that again. Hint.

It is far from "soothing" that your Trump Card is being a Counter Jockey at a Retail Outlet and having a fascination with 1" and 2" boxes. Hint. Laughing!

The scope line is a fhuqking joke and chockfull of Fence Hopping Texan Dumbfhuqkery. Much "thought" was given to fhuqk up easy schit and that is a Nikon Swan Song and a Counter Jockey tattletale. Congratulations?!?

The Ballistic "Calculator" schit is hilarious,as is your version of a reticle,after having given it such esteemed "thought",due the "experience","knowledge" and "results" from the Walmart Greeters manning Tract Optics. I'll feign my "surprise",that there's nary a simple citing of reticle subtension value in inches,IPHY,MOA or Mils. What were the fhuqking "odds"?!? Laughing!

You Dumb Fhuqks bolted together every Cough Silencer and Butt-out Tool,then stood back and clapped your hands like you'd fhuqking done something. Dude,I'm fhuqking crying I'm laughing soooooooooooo fhuqking hard and it's ONLY becauser you Dumb Fhuqks are doing your "best"!

Someone who "knows" as "much" as you,is always going to be well served to be asking questions,instead of giving "answers" and the less you say,the better you WILL "do". Hint.

The glass etched "Impact Reticle" is funnier than fhuqk,as is the video "extolling" same. Few things as "comforting" as perpetual reiteration of such constants as "approximately" and "about",while trying to pawn off a steaming pile of fhuqking schit to the unsuspecting! REALLY enjoyed the 100yd zero and 100yd proposed subtension interface,unless you are gunning a Boomer,then the MAGIC really happens...with a 200yd zero and 100yd incremental proposed subtension interface after said farce. It's ONLY fhuqking sooooooooooooo gawddamned hilarious,because you Dumbfhuqks are in so very far over your pointy heads,due a lifetime of being on the wrong side of the counter. Hint.

Then you Dumbfhuqks frost it with THE Golden Goose...a BDC! Is Nikon Headquarters in Texas?!? Laughing!

To frost that Dumbfhuqkery,you offer a POS fhuqking reticle that negates the BDC(erector adjustment to arrange POA/POI),by having archaeic windage dots sprinkled in the useless portion of the FOV,like a [bleep] tossed a handful of schit at the glass,as there is NO rhyme or reason no matter what your "experience" tells you otherwise. Sweetheart,to incorporate erector travel,with an ability to subtend wind,the gawddamned fhuqking windage reference points MUST be on the horizontal run of crosshair intersection. Read that again,now one more time,this time aloud,print it and have someone else read it to you. Hint.

This Hilarity is verbatim(that means word for word),from your "info" in regards to the 2-10 Turdic BDC:

"The versatile Glass Etched Impact BDC reticle provides 10 mph Windage correction as well as bullet drop compensation without obscuring the target even at extreme long range."

The poignant profundity of that amount of Dumbfhuqkery in so few words,will grant you "opportunity" to be an "Honorary" Texan. Laughing!

How many Nikon "Executives" and Walmart Greeters,with how "much" "experience",did it take to dream this HILARITY up?!? DO tell and do not "forget" the particulars and mebbe cite some 1" and 2" box reiterations,to quantify the "sanctity" of such a mechanical "marvel". Laughing!



Now lemme show you how to blow such a piece of steaming fhuqking schit outta the water,with but a single poke. Pardon the subtension values correlating to EVERYTHING from say a Feinwerkbau 300S(Google it) to a 50BMG. HINT.



I reckon even someone as fhuqking Stupid as you,will note that with subtension values plainly cited,that even a Fence Hopping Texan would have a hard time fhuqking this up. You "only" reap 40MOA(2/3's of a POS Turdic's TOTAL erector travel) on the etched windshield alone. Subtension values are simplistic,denoted and coincide with erector travel values,so the system is in synch. In nice conditions(no wind)with a 300Winny and a 212 Hornie ELD at 2825fps with a 250yd zero,the reticle alone "only" grants the 1300yd line. Factoring the same boolit/cartridge recipe in full value 10mph wind,a 2000yd poke only burns up 16.2 of the finite 20MOA windage holdoff available. Hint.

Conjoining same,one can quickly reap enough 10x erector travel to contend drop with the same load to the 2000yd line(a paltry 101.5MOA correction) and slide wind changes at the same time upon the horizontal scale. 'Nother hint.

Now I know it ain't hardly fhuqking "fair",that one can reap a platform with multiple Turdic's worth of elevation compensation in it,along with a VASTLY superior etched reticle and for less than 50% of the Turdic Ante's Fhuqking price. Though in fairness,a zero stop is gonna set you back about 35-cents. Hint. Laughing!

Here you go...fhuqk your Turdic attempt

'Course you'll haveta Google all of it,including your own Dumbfhuqkery and that just might be THE funniest part. Or you can reserve the right to say sumptin' in Nikon or Counter Jockey Speak,so do NOT be shy. Laughing!

To be fair,I prefer MQ Fixed Fhuqkers and it's not even "fair" to couple a Mil Erector,with a Mil Reticle and drive same with a FFP Milscale Spotting Scope,so the Whole Enchilada coincides(that means synchs).

FFP Reupold 67180(Gen2) gunned out the front door.



MQ Fixed Fhuqker reticle,used to subtend distance to a napping Polar Bear. I'll letcha' get ALL Googled up and give you another crack at subtension again,as related to the Turdic reticle at 10X and using same to quantify distance and/or Critterly Splendor(your choice...but I'd tread LIGHTLY!). Laughing!



MQ subtension scale,if only to corroborate how fhuqking STUPID the Turdic attempt is. Hint.



I look forward as much to the pending Silence,as I do the pending Whine and Fabrications. Flush all that current schit down the toilet,start over and you may have a fhuqking chance. Ain't it a hoot,that the DUMBER the fhuqk,the "better" your schit is?!? Now that is a "Sales Pitch"! Laughing!

You've been led to water.

Thank me later.

Hint.

I gotta chop a few barrels,yam some crowns,mount some new inclined 1913 rails,slam a KungFu Shifter aboard the 1717,have a Reloading Bonanza,toss a new 1-7" 5R SPR contoured 243Win SAAMI spout on a Krunchenticker and then gun zero confirmations and ascertain come-up's. Google it.



Looking forward to you "telling" me "more".

WOW +P+++!................

Trevor, welcome to the 'fire. (Granted, not as eloquent nor as welcoming as the previous, but the best that I can do.)

Was this the advanced class? My head hurts.

BDC reticles suck a$$ and Nikon's may top that list.

Nikon has never given a $hit about their riflescope lines, historically. It's not what they are known for, or where they make their money. A Nikon riflescope pedigree is not something I'd brag about. Although leaving said "riflescope company" may be.

There seems to be a lot of "optics companies" popping up lately. None being actual mfgs of anything. And many using the exact same mfgs.

My suggestion is to listen to actual shooters and what they want. I don't know any (whom I respect) that run gimmicky BDCs (that change every time conditions change). Mil or MOA based reticles are one thing. Gimmicky BDCs are a whole 'nother world of stupid IMO.

Of course, there are plenty of companies out there that cater to the ignorant. Pick whicn type of company you wanna be, and rock on. Just about everyone is a "sniper" these days.....laffin'.....

Trevor, you'll be miles ahead of the curve if you go ahead and put a few of 24HCF losers on ignore. Big Stick, Boxer, and his underwear sniffers are a good start.

Always wonder if boxer and big stick are the same guy or at least butt buddies?

You can stop wondering.

Trevor,Your BDC looks too much like a windplex which to me sucks.Just plane hashmarks work for me(Example Minoxs BDC)Here is what I look for in a scope.Light weight,4" constant eye relief.Some type of rain coating is a bonus.I do not twirl turrets and can figure out windage on my own.Too much crap just clutters a scope up.Most of the time I can get close enough to game to sight in at 200 yard and am good to go to 350 which is close to as far as I will shoot.This is what I look for.Have another line that is for the turret twirlers who do not care that they are using a 20 ounce plus scope.Good luck with your new venture and tell big dick to GFY!!!

Trevor,

I guess while we're making requests for optics I will chime in. Glass is paramount to me. Generally I don't twist turrets but do like the reticle to move the correct amount when sighting in the scope. Like Huntz says, 4" is good for eye relief. The magnification range I like is 4-20X or so. Certainly want at least 20X on the top end. Also low light is very important to me. That means a objective of 44mm or more. While you're at it a maximum weight of 18 ounces would be great.

Well that escalated quickly, lol.



Thanks 5sdad. I do appreciate it.



2much,
You actually hit on some good points. Previous companies limited us and steer your development for what they want to see....this is why Tract was founded, to get away from that.

Tracts opening product assortment is really geared toward hunters who are also shooters. A lot of hunters do like BDC's. Me personally, when I hunt, I know my holds and judge off the animal and rarely am taking a shot outside my killbox. Fun in hunting is getting close anyway. That being said, our T-Plex reticle with the thin top post is perfect for keeping a clear open fov.

We have some great optics coming out that cover those areas of shooting. Nice thing about Tract, everyone here is a die hard world traveled hunter and shoots competively. Love taking what we wanted to see in scopes and bring it out but we sure as hell love hearing what others are wanting too. By cutting out the middle man we can bring those features out at great prices and keep the quality high.

Lol, thank JG. Every forum has 'em.



Thanks huntz. All feedback is good to hear. I'm right there with you. On a hunting stick, I don't touch the turrets after I'm zeroed.

I think you'll be happy to hear we do have a solid constant 4" of eye relief through the magnification range. And that's not a about 4", it's a true 4".



Ringman, love hearing feedback or features of interest. We do have that constant 4" and glass is absolutely top notch. I've worked in product for years now and seeing optical factories work with quality lenses is amazing. It's incredible to see the differences in the factories where quality vs. quantity come from.

Some anti turrets turning huh.
I'm not a competitive shooter, hunter first and not a major turret turner.
But after using BDC and custom turrets for a specific caliber and ammo. I much rather have that. I know I can get turrets made, but I dont want to drop another $100 at kenton.
I think you should offer something like Leopold with CDS and their windage reticle, burris has one as well with their C4 reticle.
That would spark my interest. I like your 2-10 option. Personally, that's all big game hunters need.
Still waiting on response about warranty and out of business.

Why anyone would enter into such a program of frustration such as trying to start up a rifle scope company is beyond me lol...

Shooting optics consumers would be the most finicky and hard to please mob on Earth. If it started raining six-foot blondes, they'd complain and want brunettes.


Soooo, give me a strong, light scope with a modest power / zoom range (4-8x or 6-12x would do it) with a clear LR reticle with either mil or moa hash marks (when set at max power) for at least 10 mil of ele on the reticle. I can't see why at least 100moa of internal adjustment cannot be built into a 1inch scope tube, so put that on the list too. Give me the option of turrets or not. Resettable is a must.

Of course the glass needs to be "good" but need not be as good as a bino or spotter (or camera).

Couldn't care less about 25 vs 30mm tube.


Reticles tailored to a cartridge/load combo suck because they're always a big compromise. If a shooter cannot work out how many moa / mil to hold over with their load, they probably shouldn't be shooting that far out because they've clearly not done their homework.


Good luck in your enterprise in any case. Aesthetically the scope designs look very sharp.

Dre,

Thanks for posting again and my apologies for over not answering sooner. I needed popcorn for that following post to yours and missed the reply

To answer your question, Tract has a great footing and is backed by and partnered with other companies that have been around for a long time, also in the hunting/shooting industry. With the quality of product and the prices, let alone the ownership, I just don't see that happening because we're in it for the long haul. Should a catastrophe happen, we would setup a contact system because the ties to the factory are still there let alone the partnered companies.

'7mm,

Beware The Vulcan Mindfhuqk.

Tract is desperately trying just that...though it'll only "work" in fhuqking Texas and upon Texans.

But what DON'T?!?

Laughing!................















'BR,

That were The PreSchool amended version of simplistic facts. I like leetle words and poignant pics,so even THE Dumbest Of Fhuqks can follow along and nod their heads. Cracks me up,when they do and the drool hits their keyboards in unison. Laughing!

Had to keep it short,for The Do NOTHING Gang,Droolers,Retards and Dumbfhuqks. Hell...even the Texans got it and the only fhuqking thing they "shoot",is their mouths.

Laughing!................















'muchgun,

For them with 17 IQ Points or more "Nikon" and "Counter Jockey" ain't very soothin' and then there's the realization of just how VERY fhuqked up the Goat Fhuqks are,due "specifications",hilarious video and a feeble attempt here to feign a first fhuqking clue about POA/POI intersections.

Subtention is a constant,BDC's are a fhuqking joke and of course SFP muddles all...but the video denoted how the graphite color is certainly fhuqking cool.

Laughing!...................















'Raider,

Now what were the fhuqking "odds",that you yet again "forgot" about your perpetually hyped Imaginary Pretend Ignore and reiterate time and again,that besides being a Totally CLUELESS Kchunt,you are also a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. Congratulations?!?

Funnier than fhuqk how you Clueless Kchunts,go right to cramming things in your mouths and asses,while giving ALL things germane the crux,THE widest of berths. I "wonder" why that is?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















Dre,

Ain't it a hoot,that wonder and guess is ALL that you can "do"? Congratulations?!?

Purty good Crownathalon this afternoon,if only to crush more Myths,Wives Tales and Bean Counter "experience". Hint.

If only to fuel your Imagination and bolster your Pretend. The VL/SDM-4(ceramic stone),Version One chop/crown.




Bitch wouldn't shoot. Laughing!



Been a Safe Queen. Laughing!



Now you Window Lickers can sleep soundly! Though the bitch prolly won't shoot now. Laughing!



You'd do well to shut the fhuqk up,take notes and apply same...HOPING that someday you'll understand why. Laughing!

Stay tuned,this bitch is gonna be a fhuqking PEACHand I can "only" shoot 'til 10:00PM. Hint.



Bless your heart.

Laughing!....................















'MT,

Wonder and Pretend,is as close as she can get to "doing",so don't go swipin' her Imagination away from her...if only because it's ALL she's "got" and that would be mean.

Laughing!..................















[bleep],

BDC's suck ass and that simply due to literal DESIGN. There is no such thing as a "good" BDC,nor a "bad" BDC,because the whole premise is a colossal STUPID Goat Fhuqk that can't "work". Hint.

Turrets that don't track,repeat or hold zero,are 100% fhuqking worthless...even if you do not touch them. Hint.

Haphazard subtension,do NO fhuqking favors either,especially when "designed" counterintuitive and contrary to the very DUMBFHUQKERY you are trying to peddle to the unsuspecting,such as yourself. You "lucky" kchunt. Laughing!

As per always,you will always do best by fhuqking yourself,if only because you WILL get more poozy in such an approach. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................















Ringmam,

What decade did you last punch a tag in?

No doubt your needs are veddy veddy fhuqking SPECIAL and that Blue Parking Permit is very well deserved. Congratulations?!?

You poor poor STUPID fhuqk.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.....................















Trevor,

You don't want feedback,you wanna be told that your STUPIDITY is something it ain't. GOOD fhuqking luck on that.

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise" even someone as fhuqking STUPID as you,knew better than to try and talk glass. What were the "odds"?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.....................















'17,

The Market ain't never not WIDE open for good riggin',founded on good principles,that'll outperform existing wares. If only obviously,this Sad Sack Goat Fhuqk ain't even close,but it is funnier than fhuqk,so all is not lost.(grin)

Tract fails MISERABLY on all counts and the very "Trump Cards" they are feverishly trying to bolster,is the fhuqking schit to be AVOIDED at all fhuqking costs. Now ain't that a right proper Dichotomy?!? Schit this fhuqking funny,cain't even be made up!

Leave all The Snoopy Glass for the Texans,as the Market is SATURATED with it and simply focus on where and how the rubber meets the road for the astute. Pun be intended.

Funniest part is that the Tract Dumbfhuqks have themselves convinced,that they are REALLY doing "something". In the Turdic BDC Video is was plainly cited that the Goat Fhuqked Piece Of Schit was "THE perfect solution" and "THE Premiere LR scope". The DUMB fhuqkers oughtta be sued for LIES of such incredible magnitude,despite Texans believing it. Laughing!

Heavily compromised erector travel,schit reticles,BDC's and SFP don't arrange anything other than yet another Fish Knocker. Though the cool graphite color,really ADDS much to the fray.(grin)

This is EPIC April Fool's worthy schit...mainly because the DUMB fhuqks are serious!

Wow +P++!..........................

Trevor, Thanks for the reply.
Big stick, I'll read your reply when learn how to write proper English. In Mean time.....how do I say this nicely? [bleep] off and die? Hope that wasn't too direct, But I doubt you'll comprehend that.
By the way. No one cares about all your pics .

I've been lurking and posting on this forum for roughly 8 years now. I don't post often but do appreciate the knowledge and courtesy that is present on this forum. I am fortunate enough to make a living in the retail side of the outdoor industry, there is a lot to be learned here on the campfire. I put it above the rest as far as members with technical knowledge.

Big Stick you are a complete dic*, any manufacturer that exposed themselves on a forum is doing nothing but looking for good, honest feedback. How many representatives from the big guys (that you likely support) do you see on here, none. I know misspelling cuss words so you can get them posted makes you feel like an adult but failing to deliver an actionable message means it's a waste of space that is incredibly hard to read. I'm sure many have written something similar to this in the past and obviously you haven't been creative enough to find a better way to deliver your message so this likely means nothing to you.

Tract, it takes a brave vendor to be vulnerable to the consumer who hasn't committed money to your product. All the best and stick around, this is a good place to learn invaluable knowledge from your end user. JG is a great example, I have no idea who he is but he has influenced a lot of my purchases. I likely will never base a large buy at work or personal investment on what big stick says, weird...

Nick

Binos look good but why do the scopes have to have such a huge eye piece?

Any plans for a fixed power scope,say 2.5x,4x,6x,10x and higher?

Dre,

It's your Imagination,so Pretend with it as you MUST. I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that besides being a Clueless Fhuqk,you are also a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit and didn't read "any" of it. I "believe" you. Congratulations?!? Laughing!

Facts are more than a wee bit unsettling to The Do NOTHING Gang,if only because the Reality of pixels collides with their Fantasy(ies).

I'm up ag'in it,in that I cain't recall if I loaned out my AR-10 barrel wrench,or just cain't find the bitch,so am caught halfway betwixt an OEM 1-10" Three Oh Not So Great Spout and a High Zoot 243Win SAAMI replacement. Sucks having only (1) rifle and scope. Laughing!



On the brightside,Bob knocked 'er outta da park again and got a scald on his 25MOA 1913 extended rails,as they just happen to coax ALL of the goody in available Fixed Fhuqker ring spacing. Crowdin' 80MOA-ish remaining on the erector now,which is a start,but it'll take 'Horn rings and a 40MOA dump to ring the bell. Hell,you'd only haveta bolt (2) Turdics together,to yet be shy of the capabilities. Google it. Laughing!



There was a time when the TPS R.A.M. was a nice way to fly. Google it.



Had chopped one of my AMT SG H2's to 18" and hooked 'er to the Coffee Grinder yesterday. Google it. Laughing!




Bob's 1717D HB KungFu Shifter is a great assist in gunning movers. Just the right length and though I typically disdain knurling on a gear shifter,this 'un ain't bad. Wouldn't be a good fit on any of my 54's in 22LR,due obscene round count,but is a nice fit on a Niche Rifle. The Bob 75MOA 1913 extended rail might could be handy for attaining a 125yd zero,but .7 Mils offa the bottom of total erector travel and 40 Mils remaining,just might could grant some wiggle room. Google it. Laughing!



Your Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqkery is fhuqking HILARIOUS and it's only funny,because you are doing your BEST and are mired in the sentence of having to suffer being you. This was a fhuqking doozy and I quote verbatim: "Big stick, I'll read your reply when learn how to write proper English." My Engleese skeelz are without peer and your 1st Grade Teacher should be punched in the fhuqking face. Google it. Hint. Laughing!

Bless your heart,you poor poor STUPID Lying Fhuqk. You need to go to the mirror and practice saying "I did not read his Post,I did NOT read his Post...I did NOT read his Post!" and follow it up quickly with " I do NOT care,I do NOT care...I do Not care!". Feel free to share,how much you gained on "convincing" yourself of same. Laughing!

Modest ceiling,piss flat and PERFECT conditions to catch trace/impact,so it'll be a purty spectacular shoot around. Film at 11:00,then you can fire up your Imagination and it's Pretend,so you can claim to not eyefhuqk the Splendid pics and read EVERY riveting word. You "lucky" kchunt.

Laughing!....................















'10,

Cheer up,you've been a Clueless Fhuqk your whole "Life". Congratulations?!?

I'll feign my "surprise",that as your Estrogen Levels were building,you had to concoct a Vagina Monologue to wax eloquent as a Public Safety Annoucement,so you didn't pop a fuse. Then you got horned up and went right to sucking ass. You "lucky" kchunt.

You Window Licking CLUELESS Kchunts are a fhuqking riot and you've less than zero inkling on how good I am for the economy and how much business I steer the astute towards various Manufacturers of repute. It'd be impossible for you to begin to fathom the magnitude. Hint. Google it. Laughing!

Rest assured nobody is more honest than I in their critique(s) and I've never not happily granted R&D feedback gratis(that means free). 'Course,I can read sign and see a Goat Fhuqk from 1000's of miles away and am afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess. Now I realize that ain't very "fair" to someone who "does" as "much" as you,but it'll only come as a "surprise" to you,that your Estrogen Levels will not defy Physics...despite their very impressive magnitude. Hint. Google it. Laughing!

So while you are powerless in the refrain to Whine and talk out your ass,with your "compelling" Hurt Feelers Report,I simply wish you had the 17 IQ Points requisite to savvy the oblivious hilarity of your ineptitude and really rather impressive STUPIDITY. I'm at ease in speaking matter of fhuqking factly,if only because facts fhuqking matter. You'll wanna read that again,now one more time...this time read it aloud. Laughing! Hint.

It is HILARIOUS entertainment,that you are able to convince yourself,that Stupidity is somehow "brazen". FACT is,it would be a great disservice by me,to condone a Product or Manufacturer that outright LIED even 1/10 as much as the Tract DUMB Fhuqk(s). Couple that GLARING obvious with the "Resumes" of the key players and you've got Jerry's Kids entering NASCAR. It's the same old schit,in that it's a bunch of dollar chasing CLUELESS Fhuqks,trying to "talk" about the things they "know" the LEAST about and the ONLY traction they can manage is in Texas. Anyone with but a shred of sense,can see right through the ruse,because the very principles bolstered are the antithesis of said actualities. The poignant profundity of that Dichotomy,takes humor right THE fhuqk offa the charts as a default! Hint. Laughing!

Now had this been a Medical Thread and it was noted that the former Bean Counter had left Nikon and got a head transplant,started with a clean slate and proffered platforms that had even a SMALL chance to work,the story would be different. But alas...it's regurgitation of perpetual Stupidity and yet another Text Book example of how/why folks who don't shoot or haven't seen ANYTHING worth a fhuqk,had best not invest in a new line of Retardation. To "unveil" such hilariously contrived/compromised Goat Fhuqks,is simply fhuqking EPIC humor. Google it. Hint.

Physics and Facts is handy,neither of which is a "new" invent and it is flabbergasting that a new Vendor(Tract doesn't "make" schit),would lean upon folks who "know" less than ZERO,about either constant. 'Course,you "know" even less than that,so are agog at the very notion of the schit wares beyond your means. Now THAT is some seriously fhuqking funny schit!

It were a VERY good fhuqking call to refrain ALL things germane the crux and Whine instead...if only because it were the ONLY "move" you had. You "hard chargers" are a fhuqking hoot!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















'rcm,

Lotsa Tract schit is fhuqking funny,but with "all" of their "experience","knowledge" and "results" to introduce these Goat Fhuqks...the temp rating is fhuqking HILARIOUS! There is no facet,in which they didn't magnificently drop the ball.

You'd think someone woulda made a Texas Connection to the INCREDIBLE Stupidity of the lineage?!?(grin)

The harder these DUMB Fhuqkers try,the funnier it WILL get.

Wow +P++!.....................














elkchunter,

You could get a job at Tract...their "standards" are sooooooooo incredibly fhuqking low.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...................

I love it when optics companies have their design team sitting behind a desk. And their vast "rifle" experience comes from shooting a 410 at summer camp.

Anyone that has actually spent time behind a scope can see those reticles are a joke, only to be outdone by the giant adjustment range. One can only imagine what the internal design is like when they missed the basics by a mile.

I don't know Tract optics from Adam, but what's far more funny to me is the high opinions people have about themselves. That far exceeds people's opinions about people they don't know or have never met.

Oh come on now!!!!!! Are ya going to let the truth fugg up others wet dreams?????


Take care, Willie

Damn you are on the money once again.

Is this rifle building thread or new scope?
Going to leave it at that.
Are These scope order only? Or are they availabe somewhere to look through?
Thanks again And sorry about you're having to deal with some of this trash.

'223,

The astute savvy the hilarity of the FEEBLE fhuqking attempt at the ruse and Texans swoon the same...as being "real". EPIC fhuqking humor!

Never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't...................















'Raider,

Were you peeking betwixt your fingers again,you Lying CLUELESS Fhuqk? Congratulations?!?

And here I was "convinced",that your highly "esteemed" Imaginary Pretend Ignore was "real". Laughing!

Pardon my citing nothing but FACTS,due the "unfair" advantage of having the luxury,of not being forced to guess. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...................















wde',

Don't be too hard on the Tract Gals...they are simply doing the BEST they fhuqking can,with what incredibly LITTLE they have to work with,just like you. Congratulations?!?

You Day Dreaming Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqks are a hoot.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...................















Oldelkchunt,

Might you be inferring that a Nikon Suit and a Counter Bitch,just "might" not have the acumen to spec out something so VERY fhuqking simplistic as a rifle scope? What were the "odds"?!? Laughing!

Here's to the perpetual hilarity,of you constantly being in wayyyyyyy over your pointy fhuqking head and being the only one that doesn't KNOW same. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart,you Feebleminded Day Dreaming DUMB Fhuqk.

Laughing!......................

















Dre,

Now this Thread is the same as EVERY other you've attempted and a simplistic showcase of your sheer and utter CLUELESSNESS,which grants you the opportunity to lie out your ass even more. Congratulations?!?

It'll ONLY come as a "surprise" to you,as you set on your couchbound kchunt,that there just mighta been some folks doin' a leetle sumptin'. Ain't it a hilarious constant,that you are always on the sidelines lookin' in?!? Laughing!

Still cain't find my gawddamned fhuqking AR-10 'nut wrench,so spruced a certain Sleeper up. In the transition away from yeoman Ball Burping Duties and the hilarity associated Retrostalgic '4895/168SMK's,it's more than a touch prudent to bolster COAL latitude for Skinner smooches. While I've too fhuqking many HS Precision Gen 1 DBM's(.378,.473 and .532)...it don't take much arm twistin' to bask in AICS mag footprints and run with their inherent latitude,especially when going AM binderless(though I drive Alpha's too). Despite pillars being glued,it were a (1) cuppa coffee transition,to open the inlet and magwell,along with the bottom of the front receiver ring for 2.985" COAL clearance,should need ever arise. Hint. Google it. Laughing!




1000 binderless words.




1000 more AICS OEM.




In fairness,I've yet to puke an HS Gen 1 DBM and certainly never will,if only due the fact I'm done with 'em. They are robust bastards and the sanctity of S/S is reliably soothin',but an AICS footprint has no equal Today and they were a better choice when things were more Proprietary-ish across the board. Hint.

I tend to re-spring all my mag latches for more positive retention and greatly shorten the release,so it cain't be tripped from a MPAJ Hasty Rest unwantonly,whether it ruck,rock or other. Hint. Google it. Laughing!



Hey wait...is that one of them there highly "touted" BDC's?!? WTF!!!! Laughing! Hint. Google it.

Cheer up,if it ain't ALL fhuqking BDC,one has moves and thankfully the MOA scale jives the erector fair to middlin,though Reupold MK4 M3 erector travel is a fhuqking joke and 50% greater than a Turdic. Hint. Google it. Laughing!

Ain't like it's an issued MK4 M3 6x BDC or anything. Ooopsie! Hint. Google it. Laughing!

Don't be too fhuqking discouraged on your couchbound kchunt,as you feign a first fhuqking clue,because one can trump the bullschit and score a zero scribe and denote comeups in accords. Though a convoluted Goat Fhuqk,it do very much TRUMP a straight BDC attempt at POA/POI intersection. Hint. Google it. Laughing!



But...I've got it on GOOD authority,that if you plead your case to Reupold and explain the Goat Fhuqk and how to circumvent same,that THE Cure is doable. Pay no mind to the wrong wayzee erector inclination index,you wouldn't know the difference anyhow. Hint. Google it. Laughing!



Hopefully the Weather Gods smile and a 10x MOA/MOA Fixed Fhuqker arrives in the AM,to get THE Sleeper going with 100MOA all in available. Hint. Google it. Laughing!

Gotta gun some come-ups on some fresh Lots of ammo,stretch things out more than a smidge and here's HOPING that'll give you enough time to fabricate even more Lies,Delusions and outright Dumbfhuqkery as you feign a fhuqking clue. My fingers is crossed and the "odds" are "only" at 100%..you poor poor(literally) STUPID Fhuqk.

As an aside,you making any gains on "convincing" yourself that you "don't" read my EVERY fhuqking word and "don't care". Do tell. I'm fhuqking crying......I'm laughing soooooooooooo fhuqking hard,you AMAZINGLY inept Stupid Fhuqk.

GOOD talk.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.....................

Too me the line-up was, say, ho-hum. I agree. Reticles leave a lot to be desired for my taste and I prefer uncapped turrets myself. For a generic hunting rifle they are fine but we have lots of those. I think they have a tough road to plow.

Nick, appreciate it. I've been on the forums for years now for both employers and personally. They are a great resource but we do need to sort out the bad apples as well.



Eyebox design has a direct correlation to FOV. We put a lot of time in testing various eye box designs to achieve a high fov for the magnification ratio.

Thanks Dre. Just order from the website. If you order, you have 30 days to send it back if it's not up to your liking.

Looks like some nice optics, welcome to 24hr.

Hey, built with HT glass, the scopes are worth a look.

Best part is the fat lazy eyed POS swore that a Manson crowning tool was a waste, all one needs is a hacksaw and vld chamfer. Now he's bragging about putting crowns on that everyone else all ready had.





Here's sugar tits the troll in his glory this is how the fat pos dresses up for his daughters graduation, class act for sure. Any way welcome to the fire.

Ps ask him about his hunting experience out side of coastal AK and its crickets.

Trevor also said more is coming.

'az,

A "Ho hum" rating as applied to Tract scopes,is akin to calling Obama a good President.

Hint.

It is fhuqking schit,plain and simple...due SOLELY to design. There's ZERO fhuqking chance,that much DUMBfhuqkery happens on "accident".

Re-hint................















Trevor,

Losing the bad apples would entail yanking the rug out from under Charlatan Snake Oil Salesmen...trying their damndest to fhuqk honest folks,outta honest loot,by lying about their Dog Schit wares. Congratulations?!?

Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















'Ornery,

Do tell about your "vaunted" fascination and "experience" with "HT glass". I assure you...the ONLY fhuqking reason it will be funny,is because you are doing your BEST. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...................















fredrica,

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise" that the only thing you can muster is your exceedingly WELL founded Insecurities,fresh Whines,more Excuses and a huge fhuqking berth around ALL things optics. Perhaps you'll dare to TRY and "explain" MOA and Mils again? Take a shot at erector travel,reticles,tracking,repeats,zero retention and whatever else you care to use your Imagination and Pretend about. Congratulations?!? LAUGHING!

You AMAZINGLY Inept Clueless Whining Kchunt. Here's hopin' your keyboard gets to slurrin' even more. Should it "help" your Imagination and it's Pretend,give crowns a whirl too and cite your hilarious versions of "knowledge","experience" and "results". Don't "forget" rifle blueprints,mounts/rings,twist,throat and COAL...along with how you'd need a co-signer for the tape alone. Then mebbe muse POA/POI correlations. Dare ya'. Hint. Laughing!

Cover the spectrum from Olympic Class Air Rifles. Google it. Now you can say you've "seen" one. Laughing! You "lucky" kchunt.



Olympic Class Rimfires. Google it. Now you can say you've "seen" one. Laughing! You "lucky" kchunt.



Don't "forget" the 1808 EDS. Google it. Now you can say you've "seen" one. Laughing! You "lucky" kchunt.



Couldn't stand the wait to check the morning's Mail for the pending herd of MOA/MOA Fixed Fhuqkers and even a MOA/MIL Fixed Fhuqker smokes a Reupold MK4 M3 3.5-10x. Hint. Laughing! You "lucky" kchunt.



Now don't go "forgetting" 17 Hummers,whether it OEM or Custom. Google it. Now you can say you've "seen" one. Laughing! You "lucky" kchunt.



Potpourri for you...just to letcha' nod your head and drooling maw,so you can feign a first fhuqking clue about ANY of it. Now you can say you've "seen" one. Laughing! You "lucky" kchunt.



Don't let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt. Oooopsie! Wayyyyyyyyy too fhuqking late. Laughing!

Bless your heart....you poor poor(literally) STUPID Fhuqk.

Laughing!.................
















'pass,

More SCHIT,just don't happen to be much of a "Sales Pitch"...except of course in Texas.

Laughing!.................

Next, someone is going to tell me nosler relaunched the partition with an even lower BC, higher price, and a convenient 20 count box.

Or a new Powder Company that offers "7 burning rates in every can".

Or a new Boot Company that offers "2 left boots".

Or a Knife Company that offers "2 false edges".

Or a Tire Company that offers "5 flats in every tire".

Funnier than fhuqk,how the obvious escapes so many.............................

Skane, sorry for the delay, here is a pic. Let me know if you want a different view.

Trevor,
That'll work - thank you!

Thanks slg.



Thanks OO.

Dog, Do you think it irritates Larry that every time his nut sack itches he has move your head to scratch it ???? You ball cupping want to be. Happy monday

Sugar Tits nothing personal I just wanted the OP to see his critic. But it's nice to live in your head rent free,you flap tittyed fat little cross eyed bitch !!!!!

Fred, please point out some scope features that tract offers, that are really going to propel them past blister pack $49 Simmons from Walmart.

Dog, hopefully I can type this in a way that you and your mentor can understand... nevermind, it's impossible.

That is why TRACT came here, if there is something you want to see then tell him. Maybe it's possible maybe it's not but they are trying to get that information from real users. You want someone to develop a scope that has more experience than a 410 at scout camp, share the experience you have. This is why the market in the US is so F'ed up, now TRACT sucks because of what, no personal experience. A company can drop millions on marketing and own the market, because word of mouth is everything. Kind of seems like you're the desk jockey's now, you have no experience with this brand yet you have an opinion.

Blows my mind how some guys want so bad to be the toughest kid on the playground that they can't help themselves from being A$$ hats. Even funnier to see another member think it's so cool that he wants to do it too... If this is what testosterone looks like, I wouldn't mind a little more estrogen, I know, have fun with that Big Stick. I had to leave a layup for you so hopefully people could understand why were making a stupid comment, often its hard to tell.

Have fun guys, not real sure why this forum even tolerates post like there have been in this thread, sad.

Nick

dog, please point out some scope features that will not allow 90% of the hunting population to take game out to 300 yds please?

Evans, right on. My 'office' as dog puts it is in hunting, plain and simple. That's my true passion and where much of my knowledge/experience comes from. Now Jon, the head of PD... his shooting and hunting background is truly something to behold. Why we're here? Give some great deals on products, be the face of a company, tap into a knowledge base beyond ours, and bring out those features everyone wants...but at a better price and let you guys know about it.


My 'office' a few weeks ago attached below...

IIRC, Minox is ex Swaro/Leica guys, too.

I didn't know that Schott Glass and especially HT glass and etched reticles were available on a $49 dollar simmons scope at Walmart. I'll run down there after work and buy a few dozen of them.

What you fail to see as well as that narcissistic drunk and obnoxious dwarf from Alaska is that hunters have been killing game animals for decades using standard reticles, the fact is that todays option selections are 100x better then what was available even 5 years ago.

I am pretty sure that a startup company cannot produce a full blown lineup of Optics that might interest everyone. Initially it is to recover costs of the startup and am betting they will get into other scope designs.

Attn:Drunk Dwarf, save your typing I have you on permanent ignore.

Yes and the head cheese at Sig is an ex Leupy guy.

All of which really means nothing. The proof is in the pudding.

So Trevor, while we are being "straight up and honest", I would like to know if ALL your rifle scopes (don't care where the other optics are made) are made by the same (one) mfg. and/or if they are made by LOW.

It's no real secret to those in the know that LOW produces some "big name brands", and that they are capable of producing some very fine products.......

"HT" Glass doesn't mean squat.... if the X in the middle doesn't stay where it's supposed to stay.... doesn't adjust properly.... or is hampered by other useless features. Let us remember that a scope is simply a place to keep your crosshairs until you need them. Excellent glass in an optic that doesn't hold zero... or doesn't track.... or has a generic "BDC" reticle... provides a wonderfully clear view for watching yourself miss.

I am Not going to dispute that . The fact is people should reserve their judgement on something that they have actually used. New Novel Concept I know.

I agree, reserving judgement on whether the scope actually works/tracks well is one thing. I just LOVE "riflescope reviews" in which the scope is never even mounted/shot, but a conclusion is arrived at in regards to it's quality, nevertheless.

However, there are some things that should be self evident. For example, I am quite certain the Schott HT glass will produce a quality viewing experience. And I am also quite certain that I'd not pay $10 for a model with said BDC reticle.

I am just trying to figure out some particulars that will give me a good reading as to quality for price.

They are not exactly cheap scopes. And there are some features I like and don't like. Competition is stiff. A new company/product needs a way to make itself stand out from the pack. There are optics companies popping up right and left. Different names but most all made by just a small handful of Asian firms. Some better than others. Most in the same price range are made by the same companies and are nearly all the same in regards to internal designs/glass.

Fact is, different companies have different names for the same $hit they peddle. Listening to fools argue which is better out of Jap scopes that are basically the same internally with same quality of glass made in same plant gets old. Guess what? Same [bleep] with different name/cosmetics.

Some are completely made in house, and many are contracted out, often with more than one company getting it's mitts on the same scope line. Often dictated by who can get the work done at any given time. Others are simply contracted to the highest bidder.

But I won't get into all that.

Just trying to figure out which of the above Tract is. Either way, the guys seem to have a passion for what they do, and that helps immeasurably.

Trevor & Jon---good luck in your endeavor. Don't f*ck it up

I'd say there is some truth to that, and a lot that's not. For instance there can be 5 different brands, made by LOW or Kamakura in Japan, and have different glass, OEM specs, etc, etc etc. About the only thing they could have in common is the OEM.

A good example is that, unbeknownst to many, a Zeiss Conquest HD, Vortex Razor HD, and Kahles binoculars are all made in Japan by Kamakura. Leupold's fantastic Gold Ring HD was too. They are obviously not identical products. Also unbeknownst to most, there are varying grades of HD/ED/UHD glass, even though all of it is termed "HD" or something similar depending on the particular brand it's marketed under.

I highly doubt anybody is going to find out how good these products are by reading about it. I have a Meopta HD, Swarovision, Gold Ring HD, and my buddy Big Al has a SLC HD. I'm going to get my hands on a Toric 8x42 ASAP and find out for myself, and leave the speculating to the experts here on 24HCF.

If Trevor is open to the idea, perhaps he's got a demo he could send to someone and we could pass it around for a few weeks.

Nice to have more choice into the unknown and I always appreciate folks ready to take a leap into an already crowded market place. Hope you do well. I think there is a spot for a good quality fixed spotting scope of extremely light weight and good eye relief, (20mm or more)for glasses use. If Leupold still made their 20x50 I'd own it. A good fixed eye-piece can out-do a variable for the combination of light weight, eye relief and field of view. Sometimes when the Tele-Vid is just too much to carry a simple 18 oz fixed 50 would be just the ticket. 20 power is very useful and such a light scope can fit on a very light tripod.

As to the 5 different brands, if they are in the same price range, I promise you they have the same basic designs generated on the same computer programs and the glass is nearly identical, if not identical.

Any differences in price go toward degree of QC.

Believe it, or not......

Oh yes. As far as glass, HD, UHD, etc. are all different names for the exact same thing, and that's ED glass. ED being the "proper" term.....

Welcome to 24hr. It's great to see companies coming on here asking questions and taking feedback. Keep up the good work.

I don't know didly squat what a particular marketer dictates to the OEM (not the other way around), and I'm betting you don't either. Retail price points determined by Zeiss, Leupold, Kahles, etc.....not the OEM, depending on the margin wanted by the marketer. If you're lumping Tract, or even Maven into the equation, did you miss the no middleman part?

Assume the Tract is made in Japan by Kamakura, same as the Zeiss Conquest HD, which is fantastic BTW. Zeiss marks it up $400 to you through the retailer, Maven/Tract do not.

And there are numerous grades of ED glass, at varying price points.

Khales say Austria on them, Does the glass come from Komachura?

There may be different grades of glass, but I'd bet the price points don't vary much if at all on said grades. You get what you pay for. Especially with scopes that are made on contract.....

I was wondering where you been.

They are made in Japan, and have been for several years now, no matter what the box says.

Mule Deer mentioned it here:
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...90107/all/kahles_riflescopes_1_inch_tube

and a Euro-dude named jan van dalaan over at Birdforum owns an optics shop over there somewhere and has mentioned it several times over there.

I will tell you right now:

Anyone who thinks the German/Euro makers haven't pulled their hoodies over their heads and ducked into the Japanese glass plant for a shopping spree is misinformed at best.....

So a NF NXS, SS, Bushy HDMR's, Huskemaw's are the same, since they're all made in the same Japanese factory?

What up Scott? Yeah I have a veddy busy (polite term) year thus far. Lotta $hit goin' on.......grin.

Funny I was thinking on picking your brain on something about an hour ago......

Not so sure they are all made in same factory.

What's more, I believe NF designs their own scopes. They are not one of the companies who utilizes what I would call the "classic Japanese design". Such as found on scopes like Nikon, Weaver, Bushnell, etc., etc.

Back when I was real into caring about this stuff, which I no longer am, I found that only the U.S. companies designed their own scopes. Meaning Leupold, Redfield, Weaver (micro trac scopes), Burris.

The other big name Jap scopes used the same basic designs generated on the same Jap computer programs. Little to no difference in quality, reliability.

They now have optics houses in Thailand, Phillipines, China, etc. Sometimes these firms are contracted out by larger firms, and sometimes they compete directly against them. I will pick on Nikon again (to support my earlier statement about them) and say that they contracted out to the lowest bidder. That's why they no longer say Japan on them. Profit was more important than quality. Make no mistake, Japan is still years ahead of the other Pacific rim mfgs........

Well they are.

As to your "NF designs their own scopes", that was my point with the binocular marketers...they do the same thing.

Absolutely correct, no big secret. The Toric, Tekoa, and Turion riflescopes are all coming out of LOW.

Toric and Tekoa Bino's coming out of Kamakura.


As for ED glass, 15 different and counting for me in my career. Also why we go so far to be open about the glass and where its coming from.

I can confirm that. Was part of a transition plan for one of them in a former life.

Many companies who claim "made in ....." don't have the glass made there, or quite frankly, some of the components. Very common now actually, a lot use Schott but say "made in US".

Thanks for confirming who makes your scopes. I appreciate the honesty. And for getting this thread back on tract.....

Agreed. However, Schott does make some glass in the U.S. though, do they not?

anytime...and wish I had a drum and symbol right now

The good schitt still comes from Schott in Germany though.

Victory HT's&SF's
Everything Swaro
Leica (not sure on the new stuff)
Meostars

Do you have anything a little more rock solid internet Heresay?

That being said, they do look amazingly like a Japanese OEM glass.

I'll do your homework for you once, since you're going to believe whatever you want to believe, and that's fine.


This from searching Birdforum:

Hallo Bob and ofcourse all others
Let me explain my background. Ik own House of Outdoor & Optics since 1993 and we have about 600 different models of almost every serious brand. I visit the several plants of the alfa's and beta's each year and this info of Kahles comes directly from the Kahles representative for the BeNeLux (Belgium Netherlands Luxemburg).
I have just now checked our Kahles supplie and on the binoculars is only mentioned Austria. And NOT: made in Austria. So they do not lie!!!! About 8 years ago I visited the plant and saw no production facilities of bino's.
Kahles is owned by Swarovski but is, within certain limits, an independent company.
In Europe Kahles representatives are just business companys who deliver to the retailers like us and they have different brands in their portefolio. There is no connection for them what so ever to Swarovski. In fact, almost nobody knows all this.
So in the Kahles samples I have there is no mentioning of where it is made, only Kahles Austria.
Indeed, the new models are upgraded but they can't stand in the shadow of Big Daddy.

Jan.



David,

Bushnell, Opticron and Vortex have never, by my knowledge, made optics by themselves. In the past (and maybe still) the others produced some models and outsourced other models. So the optics of the first three are made, or can be made, in every optical plant in the world and some models are clones for sure.
Kowa, Minox, Pentax and Nikon have produced by themselves and also sell clones under their name. Kahles only has one model in three versions; 8x32, 8x42 and 10x42.
There is no need for them to go shopping around for a nicer price. The production quantity is low and their focus is more aimed at quality and personally I believe that Kamakura is making this model strict according to Kahles R&D specifications. So there will be no Chinese Kahles.
There are though many Chinese, Japanese, etc. made Bushnells, Vixens, Opticrons, Vortex Pentax and Nikon bino's.
Opticron is a british "clone" of the succes story of Bushnell. The founder (daddy) imported japanese optics and sold in mainly in the UK and now also on the continent. They have a very good and skilled repaircenter (like Bushnell has). Their label offers a lot of different models so the origin of countries will be divers. Kahles has just one model.

Jan.

fredrica,

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that the ONLY thing you can ever offer in the firsthand is a Whine and Excuses. Congratulations?!?

What were the "odds" that you went right to cramming things in your mouth and ass,yet again?!? You "lucky" kchunt.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................















'223,

The ONLY thing that fredrica could "point out",is that she's a Clueless Do NOTHING Kchunt,who only "shoots" her mouth and Imagination,due it's copious Pretend and the Delusions formulated.

Not that any of that were a "secret".

Laughing!.....................
















'1010,

TRACT simply sucks,because they haven't the foggiest fhuqking notion,in regards to a first fhuqking clue on how to spec a riflescope. Hint. Nor do you. Congratulations?!?

The LYING Fhuqks billed the Turdic scope as being "THE premier LR option",then expressly "designed" it,so that Fabrication could not be ANY fhuqking further from the truth. Hint.

I get it,that you are devoid ANY inkling on how to connect dots and are doing the best that you can...just do not slight the magnitude of that oblivious HILARITY,nor refrain from trying again. You are doing "GREAT".

Bless your heart.

Laughing!

Wow +P++!.......................














'Raider,

You AMAZINGLY Inept CLUELESS Fhuqk...I'm groovin' on the humor of your "Trump Card" query and I fhuqking quote: "dog, please point out some scope features that will not allow 90% of the hunting population to take game out to 300 yds please?".

Ummmmm...IRON Sights will do that,despite 90% of the population having that inherent inability,including yourself. Hint. Laughing!

Due to your Gross Ineptitude and Sensational Fhuqking STUPIDITY,you miss the obvious on how the Turdic is billed as THE Long Range Riflescope,nor do you begin to have the savvy to correlate the uproarious HILARITY,of their fhuqking feeble "attempt" at same. You are devoid any/all semblance(s) of a shred of fhuqking sense and just "happen" to be a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit to boot. Now don't "forget" that you "can't read this"! Laughing!

Anywhoooo,there is nothing "subjective" in the glaringly obvious mechanical shortcomings and how it is mechanically IMPOSSIBLE to even scratch the surface of the Magnificent Marketing Lie(s),due the dismal "specifications" proffered by the Tract DUMB fhuqks. "Glass" has less than ZERO bearing upon that factoid. Hint.

Read that again,now one more time...oopsie!......you "can't read this". Re-Hint. Laughing!

I getta kick outta your fascination with everything regarding a boolit steering optic,EXCEPT it's boolit steering.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















Trevor,

Few things as "compelling" as a hand held "Hunt" in beautiful weather/lighting,to "showcase" how a scope "performs". Congratulations?!? Laughing!

Say sumptin' in in HD,HT,ELD,Flourite,Vignetting,Chromatic Aberration,Barrel Distortion,etc.,due your "vast" "experience". You "know",like this. Laughing!



Perhaps cite some "particulars" on The Fabulous 300Winny,that you used to shoot the "complexities" of the 1" and 2" Box "Tests"...spare NO fhuqking details,because I assure you it WILL be funnier than fhuqk. Hint.

Where something is made,is more often moot than not...but it's Specifications/Mechanics sure as the fhuqk are NOT and that is where the rubber meets the road. You DUMB Fhuqks "only" forgot the tires. Laughing!

I know,I know...when you go bust,it'll be "proprietary".

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















Oldelkchunt,

The INCREDIBLY long list of things you do NOT "know" and TRY to "talk" about,would certainly rate you (3) pages in The Guinness Book Of World Records. Congratulations?!?

Rest ASSURED: "that todays option selections are 100x better then what was available even 5 years ago."...despite the incredible magnitude of your Imagination and it's Pretend,that Delusion is lightyears from being grounded upon anything approaching REALITY. The ease in which you talk out your ass,in regards to the things you "know" the LEAST about,is never not "impressive"...you "lucky" kchunt.

Be sure to TRY and muse Reticles,Erectors,Subtension,MOA,Mils,FFP and SFP in any/all Delusions that suit your Fantasies. You'll wanna wear a fhuqking seatbelt however,as REALITY is gonna do those Drooling Fabrications ZERO fhuqking "favors". Hint.

Never can decide which is fhuqking funnier...the Silence,Whine or Excuses as you are indeed a Twatly Trifecta. Might I suggest you "threaten" Imaginary Pretend Ignore,yet again. You Sad Sack LYING Piece Of Fhuqking Schit.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!......................















'shooter,

Window Lickers can ONLY fixate windows and are 100% Clueless in regards to the mechanics that correlate POA/POI intersection sanctity.

Them with at least 17 IQ Points get the oblivious HILARITY,them well shy of that "threshold",fixate everything that don't make a fhuqk and gloat in obliviously quantifying same.

SFP,Goat Fhuqked Reticles,paltry erectors and BDC's simply work in unison,to preclude the very premise Fabricated upon by the Tract DUMB Fhuqks.

Funny schit and I mean fhuqking FUNNY!.....................















'gun,

There is nothing that can be "explained",to circumvent the gross mechanical ineptitude instilled the Turdic,due literally by it's "design". It's done...before it can even fhuqking start,as you very obviously realize.

Never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't.................(grin)















WRO,

Now ain't it a fascinating CONSTANT,that none of them "names" that you are enthralled with,make a riflescope that's worth a fhuqk?!? Hint.

Purty "sneaky" of you to make your point,by doing your BEST to go the opposite direction and to mic drop obliviously. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................


















Now though I didn't hear it,I have it on Good Authority that Mail came in today and Sister just kicked some stuff loose.



So you gals continue with your Window Lickin' Tournament,as I've more than a leetle bit of shooting to do this afternoon and will start shakin' out the MOA/MOA Fixed Fhuqkers to see WTF. For conversation the 10X's "only" average 143MOA in their total erector travel,with windage mechanically centered. Suplizingly,the 6x version denotes same.

For the astute and them who ACTUALLY shoot,the MOA/MOA Fixed Fhuqker's adjustments are far more tactile than the former MOA/Mil version(s) of same(roughly double the relative resistance) and the reticle is NO fhuqking slouch either,soundly THRASHING the former MOA/Mil attempt. 10yd rear parallax is alway a nice option to bolster and actually adjust down to an 8.6yd average,according to a couple of Sig Kilo's and their jiving upon same.

Hint.



I've a "hunch" that 183MOA of total opportunity,is prolly "generous" and it's nice to see that my Spelunking Virgins arrived...but I'm now waiting on more Mail and the re-ordered AR-10 'nut wrench,to nestle the 20" SPR contoured 1-7" 5R 243Win SAAMI spout aboard a Krunchenticker. Though I can prolly make due,in the meantime.(grin)

Film at 11:00.

Hint.....................

Been reading this thread with interest.
Seems like Big Sticks' greatest talent is speaking in gibberish and laughing a lot....He must have been screwed royally in the past by a Texan, he sure hates them! Guess he posts so many pictures cause he can't speak plain English...kinda like a first grader!

No it really isn't hard to figger out who punches targets/critters and who just punches keys.

Of course there are those who do both and still understand neither😳

I've got a new SS coming tomorrow. 12X and moa/moa😎 I normally would have went 10x but between a gent I know and Montana Marine (Shane) bragging about them, I figured I'd give the 12X a test drive.

For just under 330 bills I got scope/flip ups/sunshade and 30mm SS rings. Not my favorite rings, but will do for now. Really hard to bitch about said package/price for a scope that is repeatable.....

http://www.kahles.at/fileadmin/downloads/kataloge/KAHLES-Catalog_us.pdf

Its interesting that in the first few paragraphs they say every product is manufactured in Austria.

That being said, it wouldn't be the first time someone has lied on the internet...

BTW, Things have changed, Swarovski just announced they are taking over distribution of Kahles.

Don't care as much about rifle scopes, although I did just get a Schitty one from one of the above manufacturers.

As for where the binoculars are made, I don't really know, I know what the manufacturer says, and I know what a guy from Texas read on a birding forum.

I'm perplexed as to who to believe...

You need a clue about a lot of things.

I personally think that this much competition from manufacturers is a good thing. Internet is a great tool to research and other days a real POS.

Its a good thing for those able to sift through the bull$hit.

For others, not so much.....

Well, I know JG and he is right on. I trust his view as
it is similar to mine. We both study the same authorities,
have tried the same optics, and I agree with him.

As far as the stick, don't feed the troll.

That's the problem, No one feeds the troll.
Is there moderators around here?

Oh you want a moderator....lol.

Yeah. Sometimes.
Guy can't take a hint no one gives a f about him or his pics.

Weak attempt to be like your boy BS. As BS says...you suck a mean ass. Why would you anyone for that matter, want to be such a cork sucker. If you're so awesome and so smart, just act like you've been there and go about your day. Only as an observation, you always seem to chime in after your hero.....you're not near as entertaining as BS...especially aftr he say she all his some ole bit and your like the retarded buddy that says, "yeah, what he said".

I'm a bit confused here - are you guys talking about Scut Farcus and Grover Dill?

he has yellow eyes?

There is an ignore feature you are free to use. Nobody can bother you if you don't let them.

You just fed the troll, if you don't like the posts
from above, report it to the admin. Find the "notify"
symbol, and declare your beef.

I'm telling. MOMMY.....!!!!! stick's being mean to me again.

Lol

Are you one of his brownnoser, fans of this stuff ?

Big dick is his own fan. Other than a couple of ball lickers, no one really gives a fugg for his chit.


Take care, Willie

Not hardly. But like everything else here, my 'yellow eyes' comment went right over your pointy frigging head. Mebbe you should follow 'sticks advice. STFU and take notes....
Your Whine is purty awesome, tho.

DECLARE THE BEEF! Tell someone, ANYONE. WAAAAHHHH, my poosie is hurting.

Huntsman, you are da man. Give us all a break.

And now you look like a fool. A fowl mouthed copy cat.

Be proud.

OK. Crybaby.

"He has yellow eyes, so help me, God, he has yellow eyes."

Last week was slow but those welfare checks keep clear the bank.

MADE IN THE USA.

MADE IN WHO GIVES A CRAP THEY ARE AWSOME.


😘💋SUGAR TITS I think dog likes the big flappy tits you're packing.
Glad you figured out what a crown looks like, welcome to real ville keep pedaling and you will start catching the grown ups.

https://www.tractoptics.com/products/riflescopes/turion-3-9x40-impact-bdc

I kinda like this one. The BDC reticle is the way I like it, simple and effective. If and when they make it into Canada I'll take a good look.

Not sure how much of a market for fixed powers there is but a 6x36 or 6x42 set up the same way is something I really like as well.

hclark,

I enjoy the oblivious HILARITY of a Texan doing her "best",by quantifying the depths of her Man Lust,as opposed to savvying the obvious of a Dog Schit Optics Charlatan. Congratulations?!?

Is this where you go Alamo and "threaten" Imaginary Pretend Ignore?!? You "lucky" kchunt.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















'muchgun,

The relative leap from 10x to 12X Fixed Fhuqker, is fraught with numerous mechanical and optical concessions,none of which exhibit a lineal transgression...including exit pupil,eye relief,FOV,parallax,erector travel and overall "friendliness".

Aboard a DEDICATED Play Toy,the 12x is viable as a Fair Weather Optic,but is a HEAVY hit on a Meat and Taters Platform. 'Course the 16x,muddles things even more and gunning all side by each is a great way to quantify the copious shortcomings.

My MTU-ish 1-7.75" A5 stocked 19" 270 wears a 12X MQ and due the relative absence of recoil,along with it's eerie Precision,that glass isn't a horrid melding. It wears an inclined 1913 rail,along with 40MOA 'Horn rings,but it's inherent erector travel remains THE bane,as compared to 10X and 6X versions of same.



Because I've got 6,10,12 and 16X Fixed Fhuqkers in a herd of 4-dozen or so,it's easy for me to say.

Hint......................(grin)















WRO,

Failures amongst the ilk you are enamored with,is a fhuqking given. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Their MO is to push catch phrases in regards to "glass" and to TOTALLY disregard mechanics,as you quantify. None of the lot track,repeat or hold zero...which are the things nearest/dearest to a rifle scope's ACTUAL use.

Hint..................














'Raider,

Besides being a Lying CLUELESS Fhuqk,a Retarded DUMB Fhuqk and a Texan...your Imaginary Pretend Ignore ploy is very "convincing". Congratulations?!?

Your "understanding" of Optics outsourcing is fhuqking HILARIOUS,mainly due your "means","abilities" and "comprehension".

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















fredrica,

Here's to the sanctity of your WELL founded Insecurities. Congratulations?!?




Hell...mebbe even in your next "Life",you'll be able to afford your first camera! You "lucky"kchunt.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.............















'goat,

THAT was fhuqking funny!

Nikon Dudes and Walmart Greeters have been laying in wait,to "offer" such fhuqking STUPIDITY. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...................

Look, I keep looking at binoculars and mention a new company that piqued my curiosity and had a great chat with its founder. So I shared that.

Their rep comes on respectfully seeking input and answering questions- paying attention and doing everything we complain about other company's not doing.

No less of a person than Doug from Cameralnd has great things to say about the founder of that company.

If you can't politely welcome someone like this, or that endorsement isn't enough for you to generate interest thats fine. Just leave it to friendlier people whose kids manage to smile in photos their father's take. These are the folks who get the concept of a campfire.

I guess now I am supposed to say - hint

The funny thing is, if you looked at both of our optics collections, we have a few pieces in common..

So you welcome every door-to-door salesman with open arms? Do you have a pleasant conversation with every telemarketer who calls at dinner time? Your driveway is full of lemons that every used-car salesman has 6-pounded your ass on?

It doesn't take much to identify the snake oil in the Tract line of riflescopes.... for the paltry sum of 500-800 clam. The claims of "equal to Swaro".... "Tracks perfectly (in a 2" box)".... "the guide loved them so much he wanted to keep them".... "Lifetime warranty".... is a line of drivel spouted by every optics company introduced in the past 20 years. NONE of them have lived up to any of those lofty assertions.... how is this any different?

There'll always be those who can read sign.... and those who're destined to wear one....

I appreciate it Kenjs. We all know it, but some dogs on here just don't hunt....and we ignore them


Happy to say everything for our sponsorship has been finalized with Rick, . Also have a coupon code for everyone on 24hr to use on Tract items. I'll get that up in a new thread.

Cool Trevor. Welcome.


Dogshooter - not really a good comparison. I sought interaction with these folks not vice versa so telemarketer or door\door salesman doesn't apply. You and I have the exact same experience with their products. If you have decided to dismiss them that is ok. I have dismissed others without ever seeing theirs so I hear ya. I merely said I was interested, nothing more and so far they have been a responsive company with an endorsement from a very respected source. Right now I am more interested in binoculars than a new scope so I have not really gone into those too much. If I do get to handle their products and don't like what I see I will be hear telling you why. Politely.

Dogshooter,



How does one identify "snake oil in the Tract line of rifle scopes"?

The other companies you mentioned, did they start up with experienced optics people? Did they go to their potential market and asked for suggestions?

Lol, no, the problem is some of us actually do hunt and shoot a lot. Go ahead and enlighten me to the virtues of a scope with 50 moa of elevation, and a reticle that doesn't put wind holds on the horizontal. The only way to make a Nikon scope worse is to charge more.

At least you did all your R&D after you brought it to market.

Let alone a developer like Jon. That man is a genius with optics. Check out the Tract facebook page when you can. He posts a lot on the making of Tract and what's gone into it. As I said before, when he first handed me the Toric binocular to look thru, I couldn't believe he made an optic of that quality....for that price. I had to come on board at that point...looking thru them sold me.

10 years ago nobody ever heard of Meopta either.......

Same schitt in a different box.... for $700. "Field and Stream reviews".... same line of "as good as Swaros", "guide wanted to keep them", etc.... Paltry erector travel, no "real world testing" suffice a couple "2" box tests".

There are plenty of places where you can sling schitt like that all over the interweb.... this ain't one. WAY too many folks here who actually use and abuse optics in way too many ways. Way too much real world experience from too many experienced guys. Say what you want about their tact or their prose.... but they're pretty much correct. For a guy like you whose primary use of a riflescope is as a range toy or as a spotting scope... they may look great. So, cough-up the 700 greenbacks and write us a "review"... I'll be looking forward to it... kinda like one of your "ladders"..

10 years later.... their scopes still blow... and cost WAY too much. Kinda prophetic.... but thanks for helping to make my point...

Meopta, lol!!!

Their ZD tactical/long range scope has a whopping 47 moa of elevation, front parallax adjustment, a mil reticle coupled with moa controls, and it weighs 28 oz. Talk about a cluster-F.

Dogshooter,



Are you looking in a mirror? I asked a couple questions without stating anything.



You remind me of a guy, because of what he said at the time, I asked him, "Did God make you a prophet?" You have no idea what I thought of the scopes at their new website. For your information I dislike them because they don't have enough magnification to be used as a "range toy or as a spotting scope."

Meopta binoculars boys....... I've killed well over 200 big game animals with a duplex reticle. Binoculars are where it's at.

Note: A lot of criticisms on these optics with no field trials by anyone here.

And minimal field trials by those selling them....

Vortex makes some nice "high end" stuff too.... and I've fallen for that banana in the tail-pipe a couple times. Come to find out.... the only thing high end about them is their customer service.... as I've needed it on everything I've ever bought from them. Had a Brunton binoc that was schitt too.

I've been very impressed with the Meopta spotters I've used though...

Oh chit!

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'js1,

I don't recall anyone ever "accusing" you of NOT impressing very easily. Congratulations?!?

It'd be ruder than fhuqk of me,to condone outright blatant fhuqking LIES and Goat Fhuqked wares...though you'd never gain the "experience" to savvy same and remain oblivious,despite them dots having been well connected. Hint.

Sister and I made empties all day and she ran (3) rifles dry(6BR,7-08AI and 308),a brace of which sport the new MOA/MOA Fixed Fhuqkers. For whatever reason(s),the 7-08AI and 308 both had 75.75MOA remaining on their erectors after their respective zero(250yds for 162's and 225yds for Skinners),which was an odd coincidence. The 7-08AI burns less than 102MOA from same to the 2000yd line,so that's a breeze. The reticle alone grants the 1275yd line,which is a fair to middlin' start.

Both rifles still cloverleafed,with the FULL erector travel run up to the top and then bottom,between shots at 100yd paper,prior to the zero stop installations. A 200MOA+ shift and repeat,is fairly warm and fuzzy.Google it. Hint. Laughing!

You couldn't critique an ice cube.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















'shooter,

I particularily enjoyed the "genius" who "developed" such a COLOSSAL Goat Fhuqk...by trying NOT to.(grin)

FUNNY fhuqking schit!!!

Wow +P++!...............














trevor,

What temp rating did the fhuqking "genius" give the coupon?!?

I'm fhuqking crying....I'm laughing soooooooooooo fhuqking hard!!!!

I'll feign my "surprise",that the "daunting" 1" and 2" Box "Test" "particulars" are still missing. Really sounds like a "splendid" rifle. Laughing!

Looking forward to even more Lies.

You are doing "great"!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.....................















'Raider,

Meopta sure as fhuqk ain't a riflescope bargaining chip and you are the ONLY Stupid Fhuqk who "knows" that little. Congratulations?!?

Is there NO end to your Incredible Fhuqking Stupidity?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.............















'223,

Do NOT rile the "genius" with FACTS...you've been fhuqking warned.

Laughing!..............















Ringman,

Your haste to take STUPIDITY to places it's never been before,is never not EPIC Oblivious Hilarity. Congratulations?!?

It is side-splitting laughter,that you "think" you've a first fhuqking clue about glass and it's use.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















'Onery,

There is no "merit" to "test"...because the "genius" omitted all the things that would have granted it a fhuqking chance to be viable,by doing his "BEST",instead of simply sourcing someone with a gawwdamned fhuqking first clue. Hint.

The sheer MAGNITUDE of that Dumbfhuqkery is,takes humor to new levels...though you take it further,for swooning same. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..............















'Boomer,

The "genius" is rather tender and more than a touch alarmed,that the schit he's trying to peddle,ain't gonna float.

Them frets IS veddy veddy well founded......................(grin)

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David

After Little Dicks ramblings, I am convinced that he is correct, at least in his own addled mind. I am not quite sure what his point is, not sure he has a point, other than on his tiny head.

David:

Good point. I am not pushing these optics. I am just saying there is a lot of criticisms with little field data from anyone commenting here. Tract Optics is the new guy in the optics world, and they are catching lots of negative criticisms from folks who have not even used their product. If I was in need of another scope, I might buy and try their product.

I will wait and see what else they come out with. Their options at the moment don't fit my needs. Trevor look at the SS 3x15 x 42. Lower turrets better glass a little lighter with zero stop and 30 mm tube .Hook line and sinker
Oh yes a mil dot reticle and turrets should match.

The binos could hold some interest, but the scope offerings are behind the times. They remind me of the efforts of 15 or 20 years ago, ala Burris BP, Nikon BDC, etc, with minimal erector travel of questionable reliability, reticles that take a bunch of screwing around to make work second-nature, and SFP designs that can leave a guy cursing if he tries to use said reticle in the heat of the moment on a respectable critter and realizes he's on the wrong mag setting...

But a Razor-esque bino at sub-$700 wouldn't suck.

Jordan, now you are just being mean. BDC is the wave of the future.

Thanks Jordan,

The bino category was the first priority. Most used optic on a hunt and everyone uses them, whether hunter or birder. The first series of scopes really came out to be a great quality optic for a hunter for very good price. Lots of irons in the fire with larger tubes, larger magnification ranges, and more turret designs.

I've been shooting the scopes for just over 2 months now, but have had about 4 months behind the Toric binos (just signed on with Tract in the end of May). The QA and QC that these guys put into the manufacturing and selection process is pretty intense, and it shows.

Coupon code going up today as well. Feel free to shoot over a message as well.

Once again you're clueless. Ever seen a Nikon EDG binocular?

Scope sucks - yes. But their spotters are amazing and their bino's are damn impressive too. I'll go so far to say that their S2 spotter is one of the best at any price.

Agree with you on the binocuar thing. You seem to have a voice of reason, unlike some others here, so I'll ask you a question (asked dc223 earlier but got no response):

I'm not in the market for a riflescope, but let's assume I am. Take the Toric 3-15x42 w/plex reticle. What precisely would hinder me from taking big game out to 330 yds, like I've done on probably 95% of the big game animals I've shot at?

Yep, and the Kowa spotting scopes, both don't suck.

They are a bitch to find in a store in my area though.

Why would anyone with spend 2500 on a set of Nikons when you can get Swaros, Zeiss, or Ultravids for that will actually have resale value?

BTW, good job dipsh!t on finding some outlier, I would highly suggest you keep listing other random stuff so can let people know your the smartest phuquer on the interweb, maybe someday you'll rival big stick for the smartest phuquer on the interwebs award.

Do you work in the industry, or are you just some peckerwood in the internet that knows it all?

I wouldn't buy a Nikon EDG binocular either, but that doesn't hide the fact that they have as good of optics as can be found on the planet, period. Kowa spotters do too.

You need to check your facts about Leica....they suck badly for resale, given their pathetic warranty and customer service problems.

I am far from "knowing it all", but I have put my money where my mouth is as far as optics go, having owned a few dozen binoculars in all price ranges and used them side by side with the 130'ish hunter's optics that have come into camp. Real world, not guessing, at least that's what my own eyeballs tell me.

Not in the industry, I just get a little miffed when someone posts things that are so blatantly full of BS like most of your posts in this forum.

If those are your "requirements" for a rifle scope.... why not just go 3-9 Leupold and save $500?

Because I like VX3's and VX6's with simple duplex reticles, and get smokin' deals through Leupold's G&O program. Like I said, I'm not in the market, just curious why people assume you can't hunt successfully with a 3-9x and simple duplex or #4 just because some of you guys don't like 'em?

W-T-F? Inquiring minds want to know.

It was simply in reference to that when I posted my opinion on where most of the good schitt comes from (A lot of the same stuff that peckerwood runs BTW) he throws out an outlier to the hunting community to prove how smart he is.

Its like discussing fine luxury cars, everyone mentions Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, etc, and then one guy, to prove how [bleep] smart he is says, you're clueless, you didn't mention the Hyundai Equus. It makes him technically right because its a nice rig, but not one that everyone gets all horned up on because, like nikon, Hyundai is best known for their economy line of products.

Come on WRO, let's just be honest about the conversation please. Here's what you said, and you did not say "most of". Had you said "most of", or IMO, then I'd not say another word about it. It's not the first time you've made this ridiculous statement.

Not a 3-9x,but a simple duplex in a Weaver 4x fixed power.

I got it, its ridiculous to say the good schitt as far as sport optics (not scopes) comes from Europe with glass sourced from the Schott Factory in Germany.

Most of or not, there is nothing false or ridiculous about saying as a rule, the best glass comes from Germany and is used in the glass you carry by what I've seen.

'9,

Only folks who ACTUALLY shoot,can connect dots...but it's funnier than fhuqk to grant slack on the rope and let the Window Lickers try to "convince" themselves,that they've a first fhuqking clue about ANYTHING.

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!...............















'Ornery,

I'd happily buy a video of you TRYING to sneak up on a glass of water. PM me an addy,so I know where to send a Money Order. Congratulations?!?

STUPIDITY isn't an "act" for you...you "lucky" kchunt.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.............















'pass,

The SWFA variable you cited,also only happens to be offered in SFP,FFP,MOA/MOA and MIL/MIL...leaving no stone unturned. The Turdic cannot even begin to scratch the fhuqking surface upon it's magnitude and that is COLOSSAL gross understatement.

That before the hilarious Turdic erector "travel" and "compelling" 1" and 2" Box "Tests" as a warm/fuzzy.

Where do these DUMB Fhuqks come up with sooooooooo incredibly much Stupidity?!?

Wow +P++!

Laughing!...............















Jordan,

I could not in Good Faith,spend funds with a firm who LIES sooooooo fhuqking often and in such grandiose fashion. Too easy to score goods of repute,from makers of repute,less the Snake Oil Bullschit and Goat Fhuqks.

The "genius" would be FAR better served to shut the fhuqk up,take notes and apply same.....................















'223,

BDC and Grey tubes...conjoined with a temp sensitive coupon,is the "new" warm/fuzzy in DUMB Fhuqk Land.

Laughing!................















Trevor,

Do put into "perspective" what a "whopping" 2 months of scope "shooting" and "testing" incorporates for you. How many rounds fired? How many 1" and 2" Box "Tests"? What sorta platforms are these Turdics mounted upon and whjat are you extrapolating their "revelations" against?

For context,the 2-day "old" MOA/MOA Fixed Fhuqkers have digested better than 800rds of centerfire,have had untold THOUSANDS of MOA dumped into their erectors and "happen" to subtend dead on the fhuqking money to boot. The repeats are money,the tracking spectacular and zero retention is spot on...as I let a coupla them rattle in the bed of my crummy for cursory R&D in such regard. Though in fairness,I just had OEM Dakar leafs and new 5100 Bilstein's tossed in the stern and 5100's with OME's 8224 springs for replacement coilovers in the bow. Let's just say,that nothin' is "pristine" any more. What were the fhuqking "odds"?!? Laughing!

You'd best fire up Google,once again!

I'll go yard 'em outta the crummy,after I finish diggin' my post hole for the new Satellite Dish and dangle a pic for posterity,so you can at least say you've "seen" rifles that get shot. Laughing!



PLEASE keep your "riveting" "findings" coming,as those "hard charging" pursuits certainly inspire "confidence" in the "genius's" Goat Fhuqks. Give or fhuqking take. Hint.

PS and by the way,you keep "forgetting" about that "splendid" 300Winny's "particulars". Here...I'll break the ice for ya'.



Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















'45,

Great Spotters and Binos fhuqking ABOUND. Hint.

The "genius" cain't even scratch the surface.

Just sayin' and then he PROVED it.....................















'Raider,

You couldn't "critique" a fhuqking thumb tack. I VERY much getta kick outta you using yourself,as a barometer of "evaluation" upon anything,other than the oblivious HILARITY associated with your Retardation. Congratulations?!?

VERY fhuqking "soothing" that "THE Premiere long range scope" offered by the "genius" is soooooooooo fhuqking pathetically blasse' and shy of any/all marks,that it aligns with your pathetic fhuqking version of "experience". The Texas Version of EVERYTHING,is fhuqking hilarious!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















WRO,

You reserve the right to find me "mistaken" and here's HOPING that you are fhuqking STUPID enough to "try". congratulations?!?

How's Kowa do in inclement weather? Never seen one weather a storm and pun be intended. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















MagnumDoosh,

Cite ANYONE who "shoots","hunts" and "does" less than you. Congratulations?!?

Don't let the drool hit the keyboard,as a you conjure a Fabrication to "contend" them FACTS. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















elkchunternm,

One can NEVER tell,if you are bitching or bragging...though it's never not 100% fhuqking obvious which one it SHOULD be. Congratulations?!?

Here's to the perpetual oblivious HILARITY,of you doing your best.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............














(Addendum: for yet another Do NOTHING Kchunt)

Femgal,

Pardon my shooting everything you don't got,as you set on your Do NOTHING Twat. Congratulations?!?

Feel free to extoll your Imagination and it's Pretend,to find me "mistaken"...you poor poor Sappy CLUELESS Fhuqk.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..............

Stick:

You are just a big blowhard, and I am thinking you
are a bit challenged. That means limited erector travel, and have an erection angle of a steep 180 degrees.

That is called limp dick.

You should just crawl back into your hole.

How would you say Torics compare to Zeiss 10x40 Classics?

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What Happened to this thread?

Put the threadkiller on permanent ignore.

Yes, he's a fraud and a narcissist. He trots out the same ancient photos of that one bear he shot, and those couple of deer, to pretend he hunts. The same shopworn photos of the same shopworn rifles, that never seem to do anything but endless "tests". He boasts about how much shooting he does but never appears in any competition. And pretends he's "researching" but never has anything really useful, credible or new to report.

He also has no reservations about pretending to knowledge he just doesn't have, opinions about gear he's never used, game he's never hunted in places he's never been. And all wrapped up in confused gibberish and imprecations. If there's anything of worth in the man, or what he says, it isn't worth wading through his garbage to find it.

And you know what? He'll reply to this. Probably the same tired lines. But I won't be reading it.

imaginary pretend ignore? seems to be a lot of that going around.

No, real ignore. The bloke's posts, filled as they are with imagination and pretend, just aren't worth reading.

Pretty pathetic and sad really. Guy can't take a hint.

He does have a massive amount of information that he could share and sometimes he does but lately he is really getting very belligerent and quite frankly who the [bleep] needs that . I don't know how anyone with a Job and a family can spend the amount of time and money he does on rifles and shooting accessories and do all of it successfully. Something does not add up .

JG,

Assuming the adjustments work properly and the scope holds zero, and assuming the POI doesn't shift when the mag changes, and assuming the reticle is bold and clear, all of which is questionable at this point- nothing. Much like a 4x Bushnell Scopechief. Heck, even iron or peep sights have enabled me to shoot things that far away. But just because the scope doesn't prevent you from shooting something at PBR, that doesn't make it the best choice for the money, nor does it mean there aren't far more capable options out there, none of which will hinder you from killing at 330 yards, either. As an example and counter-question, how will the Toric you've cited enable you to kill big game at 330 yards better than you could with a SWFA SS 3-9x42 or 3-15x42? In my mind, it won't. But the SS will enable you to do a bunch of things that the Toric won't.

This scope wasn't designed to zero and simply shoot PBR to 330 yards max, which is evidenced by the BDC reticle and Tract's phrasing claiming it to be intended for the LR hunter and shooter. So for what it was designed and is advertised to do, there are much better alternatives in a number of different price ranges.

Fair enough Jordan. I've had little trouble killing stuff out to MPBR (330'ish) since 1971, so I was wondering why these Tract duplex reticle'd scopes sucked so much and wouldn't allow that. Especially with no one having seen one.

Quite the thread! Zoinks. Making me rethink launching an optics company. Dang it. I was just getting my coke bottle and toilet paper tube inventory built up for the big launch!

MPBR isn't "long range"; that's a mistake I've seen elsewhere. Chuck Hawk biffs rather spectacularly on that regard on his Rifle Pages, which I find amusing at best..... Anyway, my only point is that "long range" starts well beyond 330 yards/MPBR, and there's a plethora of details in shooting LR, details in which the Devil can and will reside.

OP: I only read the first several pages, and I'm sure this has been a bit of a harsh experience, but you have been given a good dose of reality in the form of a dope-slap. That's not the worst outcome. If you truly intend to serve a discriminating market such as actual LR shooters, take notes, and call whomever it is that is engineering the scopes, and make double-damn sure they are rock-solid mechanically to the degree that several other easily-procured options are. Revisit the reticle. Make sure the glass itself is at least "very good" but honestly, that's the last place to focus... IF this is truly the market you want to serve. If instead you just want to be another hunting scope with a BDC and decent glass, then really, it's all about the marketing more than the merits of the actual product.

Where did I elude to anything long range for my hunting? And where does it say anything about being the end all, be all long range hunting scope in here?:

https://www.tractoptics.com/products/riflescopes/toric-3-15x42-t-plex

Probably 90% of the hunting population neither gives a ratsazzz or needs dots/hashes/ etc to get stuff killed, myself included. That being said, I will eventually fart around with a SS 3-9MQ to see what all the fuss is about.

Can't say how they compare to other scopes of similar design, but modern scope technology has progressed beyond that design.

Most any scope you can buy will work, if all you require is to be able to kill out to 330. If you care that the scope reliably works mechanically, and is designed to facilitate that, then your choices are narrowed drastically.

Hey JG! I'm not warmed up enough to participate in this thread; gonna pull a muscle <g>. You guys are lathered up and ready to ROCK! Meant no offense. I was just riffing off your mention of 330 yards in the context of a scope being offered as a LR alternative.

Back to relaxing on my deck. It has been the Mother of all July's in terms of company and house guests. Got the day off before the next wave hits and I'm not spending it arguing OPTICS of all things <g>. Carry on gents.

JG,

Here's the problem with the way it's advertised:

"The TORIC is the riflescope for the long-range hunter and shooter."

"3-15x42 TORIC is engineered for the hunter who needs the very best whether hunting in the hardwoods or over a long range bean field."

The fact that it's designed with 1/4" per 100 yard clicks, rather than factors of true MOA or Mils, runs contrary to the above claims...

No problemo.....It's been 104-109* here everyday this month, and I've had the perpetual redasss.......

Jordan, feel free to obsess over it, but I won't. Anybody with half a brain can see the difference in the scopes mentioned on Toric's website, and apply appropriately to their wants and needs. I see the particular model I mentioned as being akin to the CDS system at Leupold, one that works quite well for lots of people. Some will find them interesting, accordingly, some will not.....I personally could care less what people think about them.

Well then we agree. A 5-second glance told me what I needed to know...

sawbuck,

It'll take multiple decades of flogging,to begin to eek an extrapolation to the LEGENDARY Classic's resolve. Cain't know of anyone who's had a failure,but one pard sought to have his re-armored and the transaction/transition was fast/easy.

My original Classic mainstays are well beyond haggard,due a penchant to ACTUALLY use wares and I've done the lenses NO fhuqking favors over the years and the body is beat up good too,because I've oft used 'em as a rifle rest. They've never missed a lick and I long ago got tired of pointing fingers and trying to clock the Swaro and Leica Faction in,on where a Splendid Beastie was located...so they could see it too.



That'll be easier now,with the Rupold MK4 Gen 2 FFP Spotter..................(grin)















Dre,

What "happened" is the same old schit. A Snake Oil Salesman came slurking along to peddle bogus wares...the DUMBEST Of Fhuqks swooned the Goat Fhuqks and The Astute are marveling at the amount of Retardation involved by requisite,to fall for something so very GLARING in it's absolute shortcomings. Congratulations?!?

You get to add more HILARITY than most,because on top off being a DUMB enough Fhuqk to fall for the ploy(s)...you are a Broke Dick who cain't even ante up for the "privilege". The ONE hilarious constant about you Window Licking CLUELESS Kchunts is,that when it's all said and done...there will have been a fhuqk of a LOT more said,than done.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















'g5,

The Tract DUMB Fhuqks do not want ANY good ideas,because it would crush their every Lie and they simply wished to be lauded for the oblivious hilarity they pulled out of their asses and are rolling with,for the unsuspecting Boobs such as yourself. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















'oz,

There is NO slighting how very WELL founded your countless Insecurities are,you CLUELESS Whining Kchunt. Congratulations?!?

Did you "forget" about your Imaginary Ignore Pretend yet again? What were the "odds",that besides being amongst the DUMBEST Of Fhuqks,that you are also a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit to boot? Wishing you were a Texan,ain'tcha? Laughing!

Didja' make ANY headway since you last "threatened" your Imaginary Pretend Ignore? Didn't think so. Now go source a mirror,wipe the Macara stained tears from your eyes and with your cracking high-pitched nasal whine say "I don't care,I don't care...I don't care!" and then fire back with "I could too,I could too...I could too!". Be sure to check back in,when it starts "working" for you. Laughing!

Cheer up...I've never seen a Bear,so please don't "tease" me about that anymore. Laughing!

You poor poor(literally) STUPID Fhuqk. Pic a color.





It's your Imagination,so be sure to Pretend with it as you MUST and I cain't wait for your next Hurt Feelers Report/Vagina Monologue and am feigning my GREAT "surprise" that for some "reason",you went welllllllllllllll outta your way to refrain saying a single fhuqking word about Glass,The Rifle or The Outdoors. What were the fhuqking "odds"?!?

You Do NOTHING DUMB Fhuqks are a hoot!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















'22,

Now don't go slighting how "real" Imaginary Pretend Ignore is,to them who NEED it most!

Someone had best remind poor poor (literally) fhuqking STUPID 'oz...that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery and that she's doing "great".

Bless her heart.

Laughing!................















Oldelkchunt,

Do tell about the sweet "satisfactions" that are your's,due a "Life" spent being a Broke Dick Turd Polishing CLUELESS Fhuqk. Congratulations?!?

Just what "vocation" "enables" one to "do" that "much"? Laughing!

Pardon money having always grown on trees and it's no thang to whittle as requisite,to procure as mood strikes. Hint. Cheer up...everyone THINKS they "know" someone who can "do" it...you "lucky" kchunt. Laughing!



Banged around all day yesterday,after having removed the stench of a Reupold 4.5-14X 30mm M1 offa THE Rock 223AI. Tossed a 10x MOA/MOA aboard,atop the inclined Marty ring/rail and with a 250yd zero using 50's at 3700fps+,it had 81.5MOA remaining on the erector and the 20MOA on the windshield,do not suck for 120MOA+ all in. That's only (2) Turdics. Hint. Google it. Laughing!



Weather was fair to middlin' and never had to contend more than 12MOA of wind holdoff at the 875yd line with said platform,flingin' Forming Loads and the reticle happily slid that paltry sum easily. Subtention upon this one was DEAD on too and I certainly whirled THE Fhuqk outta the ele turret,after confirming same. No suplizes there,though I only shot 300+ rounds through it,as I got hung up bangin' away with THE Baby 270 and 105's.

Mebbe take the time to "explain" the ONLY fhuqking thing you can in the first hand and that's what it is like to have been soooooooooooo fhuqking STUPID,for soooooooo fhuqking long and quantify how long it took your Whine to reach such magnitude. Spare no "details".

Cheer up,I've a fair to middlin' Part Time job and "only" get 6 months of vacation a year...as you "live" vicariously.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!......................















'Raider,

It is uproariously FASCINATING,that you can "know" so LITTLE,about so fhuqking MUCH. Congratulations?!?

Only a fhuqking Texan could take Snake Oil Lies and Goat Fhuqked wares and use her pointy head,to construe the Colossal Fhuqking STUPIDITY as an "advantage"! There was NO need for you to clarify how you could not "critique" a Dixie Cup,nor the oblivious hilarity surrounding your version of "knowledge","experience" and "results". Only a Texan could try to "boast" about being CLUELESS her whole "life" and how that is an "advantage". I'm fhuqking crying...I'm laughing sooooooooooo fhuqking hard.

You GO girl!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................
















Jeff O,

Your BEST is never not fhuqking HILARIOUS! Congratulations?!?

Hopefully the Tract packaging is velcro sealed,just for you.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................















Jordan,

Only in Texas would a Manufacturer's "Specification Sheet" denote:

"This scope is for DUMB Fhuqks...who've been STUPID their entire "life" and has the "specifications" Engineered by a "Genius" to keep that constant. The lenses are Cherry flavored."

Laughing!

Spin 'Raider (1) revolution the other side of the barned wire in a hayfield and she'd not be able to find her way back to the Golf Cart by herself. Then she'd PROVE it. Laughing!

I keep replaying the "Genius's" video,trumpeting the Turdic as being "THE Premiere Long Range Scope"...the DUMB Fhuqk could win an Academy Award for such incredible Acting!

The ONLY reason this schit is fhuqking FUNNY,is because DUMB Fhuqks are oblivious to their glaring Dumbfhuqktitude and doing the "best" they can,with what incredibly little they have to "work" with.

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!

Time to stoke '335 in formed cases,for a screamin' batch of 50's and make another batcha' 7-08AI 162's at 2850fps...wind might come up someday.(grin).........................

+P bear pics.

I think Trevor done hit eject.

Trevor didn't/doesn't have a SINGLE Fhuqking move to make,other than wait to go bust. Tough "Sales Pitch" to dangle outright fhuqking Lies,in regards to your Colossal Goat Fhuqks and to expect anything other than dismal failure(s). Though in fairness...it IS funnier than fhuqk!

The Mail Gods smiled yesterday and kudos to Brownell's for cranking out parcels quick. Barrel nut wrench(PRI DPMS/KAC Double Dipper) and barrel extension wrench(Brownell's) arrived just in time,for the 1-7" 5R SPR contoured Rifle Gas .750" blocked 20" 243Win SAAMI bitch. Heated the issued OEM barrel nut and things came apart nicely.

The barrel shank and index pin were pleasingly snuggerish and certainly a press fit on install. Gooped as per my always and it took about 60-ish grunt pounds to index the gas tube in relation to the 'nut.



I prefer RRA-ish FF tubes with the 2nd locking shoulder,as it makes indexing sling studs,etc. a whole bunch easier...but simply shortened the fore section a CH,to index square to torquetitude. Goop a given there too.



Nice to place the extension wrench on a pivoting head breaker bar,so one can stare witness indexing in the face. Makes it a breeze to nail the tube timing and FF timing.



Knew going in,that this was gonna be a Spelunking Krunchenticker,so didn't fret driving Lapooey Virgins for it's yeomen Utility duties. Snagged a herd of PPU 243Win Virgins and simply grabbed 90% of their neck length in the sizer,confirmed headspace were plausible and only VLD deburred the internal mouth for "prep". '17 was thrown on top off 200's,with a moly 105 Hornie HPBT Smooch at 2.800"...leaving a goodly amount of land chasin' in the ASC 10-rounders slated to the platform. Hipshot the first poke from a single loaded mag and headspace confirmations were reconfirmed and the bolt locked back on the dry mag,which is a step in the right direction. Flopped MPAJ Hasty Prone with a Harris Baby Man Notched Bitch and the 1st poke was a scant 1.5 Mils right and 1.2 Mils low from the prior spouts 200yd zero(Skinners at 2750fps ala OEM 1-10" Three Oh Not So Great spout). That input were subtended,the turrets driven in accords and poke #3 had my 225yd zero established. From there I whistled some through the chronograph,then gunned a hasty trio,with no real expectations because I was still laying moly down in the pristine bore(JB/Kroil,Rubbing Alcohol pre-poke prep). Only loaded (2) charge weights and the 2nd was right at 2800fps,which is a touch pedestrian in a 20" Krunchenticker,though for shots 7,8 and 9 outta a pristine bore,it done purty good.



Charge weight was bumped and I'd figured 2850fps-ish,but it was right at 2900fps,which is a nice "problem" to have. With the 225yd zero(reestablished),the MQ reticle grants the 1100yd line,which is a nice way to cover some ground on a minimal recoil platform,which is easy to catch trace/impact upon. 5 Mil wind in 10mph full value transpires at the 1600yd line,which ain't horrid either. I prefer this contour to OEM and it balances a touch better.



Flared the exhaust port,to radius all impediments in order to make it brass friendlier. Have one of Slash's HEAVY Buffers/springs enroute,as well as a Troy adjustable 'block for giggles. A pard needs the Troy for his 1-8" BHW 243Win SAAMI 20" as it is wayyyyyyyyy over-gassed,so I'll kick it to him,just because I hate to have someone poke a nearly empty box in the mail.(grin)

If the stars align,the Donkey that PSA strapped the Geissele SSA-E to,will arrive today and the platform will be close to complete(even though I hate 2-stage fire control systems on a Gasser). Did away with the Faux PSG-1 grip and an Ergo pistol grip is enroute,so all will be nipped.

Fhuqked up and forgot to toss some Extry Fhuqking High 'Horn rings in the cart,so as to eek another 10 Mils or so outta the erector,as I'm right at 20 Mils of up on the erector alone,as configured currently. It'll reach a mile as configured all in,but the Sig LRF loves to go quite a ways past that and so do I.

Phone Skope ships purty fast as well and their schit was as billed. The Reupold MK4 FFP Gen2 Spotter happily accepted it's adapter and to my suplize,the Iphone 6s in it's Lifeproof case,mounted correctly too. The rechargeable remote even fhuqking works. Not being hip on an intervalometer that doesn't take batteries,I snagged (3) more remotes that do and I'll be curious to see if they are worth a fhuqk. They're 3rd Party,so I'm always dubious going down that path and hold zero expectations in their regard.



Today is Comeup Confirmation Day,to see how the .473" SelfShucker holds up multiple zipcodes away and it'll be nice to hit the remote and film subtension through the 67180 and correlate it to the Fixed Fhuqker MQ in extrapolation...though I already KNOW them answers.(grin)

LOTSA fhuqking feesh and if I had a Turdic I'd take it to the creek and knock some in the head,as that's THE extent of it's Long Range "abilities".

Pardon my being afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess.

Hint.

Laughing!

Wonder how many optics companies the nay-sayers own/run?

The 8x42 Toric binocular is an absolute steal of a deal, even at full retail.

thank you for the input JG

Thanks JG.

Kenjs1 & Raider, Do either of you have any relationship with Tract or any of its employees on either a business or personal level? Any at all?

nope. I just appreciated the chat I had with the founder. I have yet to actually see any of their stuff.

All that deserved was a "no comment".

gzig5, Didn't see your post till now. Sorry for the delay. I no longer give a [bleep] about Tract, so nevermind, not sure WTF the point was. LOL

Big stick. I'm going to help you out here.
Stop. Posting . Pictures.
Read this out loud to your self about 10 times In a row. Each time louder than last.
'NO ONE GIVES A FU.K ABOUT ME, MY POSTS OR PICTURES'
Do you understand?
You get the hint? Hint?
Sad and pathetic part is I don't think you comprehend this message.

PICUTES?....Good gawd man, he's in yer head so bad you can't even speak straight.....

Magnumdood,
No, it deserved a [bleep] answer. If I'm reading someone's personal observations about a product, observations that I may use to make a decision on whether to buy said product I'd like to know if they have bias due to a personal or financial relationship with the manufacturer/distributor. Wouldn't you?

Well, at least he helled him out.

I posted this in another thread. You must have missed it.

Interesting,someone likes a optics company product,says so,next thing said person is accused of being involved with the company. Then said person has to defend themselves from others who can also buy the product and try it,then post their opinion online.

No one was accused. I simply asked a question. It wasn't vicious or accusatory at all. I can't imagine he felt like he was defending himself in his reply. But To be honest what Raider posted didn't answer my question though. I'd truly like to know if opinions posted are biased due to personal or financial relationships...... don't make it into something more than what it was.

Gun mags have always been like that. It's why I don't consider the articles in them when considering a purchase. Forums used to be different....just a bunch of guys like me and you talking about gear they'd used and what worked and what didn't. Now it seems the companies are placing folks through social media outlets to drum up interest and sales. The original post came off like that's what it was.

If you want to know about the binos buy a pair of bino's and try them out yourself.

If you don't like them send them back before 30 days is up and get your money back.

I actually like the pictures.

No one was accused? Horse manure. Your question inferred, not so subtly, that they were dishonestly hiding a relationship with Tract, and would benefit if Tract started selling products.

I didn't infer, I enquired. Asking a legitimate question in this day and age.


The folks the question was directed to weren't offended apparently, so why are you? Always this hyper sensitive or just when discussing sport optics?

Buy the binos and let every one know what you think.

2AM BudRayze own...

Dre:

Go easy on poor ol Littl dud. He laughs a lot, every town and web page needs the idiot for entertainment. Think of him as the Fire Special needs blogger, and have some compasssion for the poor sole.

I'm not offended. You didn't ask me anything. I felt compelled to point out particularly offensive behavior and how I would deal with it.

They have not volunteered any such information yet, and you still believe you asked a straightforward question. It wasn't until later that you equated them with writers in the gun rags. If it's written in a gun rag you tend to dismiss it out of hand because the writers are always going to give the piece of equipment a good write up. So, you were inferring that if they had any connection to Tracts, what they described regarding a piece of Tracts gear was dismissed as biased.

I'm done. You can have the last word. This ain't worth the trouble of typing out a response.

Damn it I hate when I don't catch little things like that.
Thanks

Reading this thread... I've been out of town for the last two weeks or so...

Seems like Stumpy is back on the meth once again...

wired and bloviating the Stupid Schitt Schtick once again...

When are the rest of you guys going to figure out, Stumpy is really Yosemite Sam, after he 'retired' from the cartoon industry...or Warner Bros just kicked him out after getting tired of him, and Stumpy has been bitter at the world ever since.

elkchunternm,

I find it funnier than fhuqk,how inherently easy it is for you,to be reliably and 100% fhuqking CLUELESS. You "lucky" kchunt. Congratulations?!?

If only you could quantify "all" the shooting you've "done" and extrapolate "all" of the glass you've "flogged" upon.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















'Raider,

Only a Fhuqking Drooling Texan,would swoon a "good deal" upon a piece of fhuqking schit,as being "viable". Congratulations?!?

Be sure to expound upon "all" the "rigors" you impart upon your newfound Polished Turd. You couldn't even knock the "new",offa USED pair of boots.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...................















MagnumDoosh,

For some reason,you are still unable to cite someone who "knows" or "does" less than you Outdoors. Congratulations?!?

You "hard charger" you!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................















'Bommer,

The "sanctity" of the "Genius" dropping EVERY fhuqking ball,do not swoon you on her wares?!? But the tube are a COOL color!

Imagine that.

Laughing!...................















Dre,

Be CERTAIN to "convince" yourself of that which you most NEED to hear and continue to Whine about it long,loud and often. Congratulations?!?

Do NOT "forget" about your Imaginary Pretend Ignore,as you race to your monitor every 5 minutes,HOPING to catch my every word and splendid fhuqking pixel. You Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................















'22,

She's doing the best she can,with what little she has to work with.

Poor poor(literally) Stupid Kchunt cain't even "remember" her "threatened" Imaginary Pretend Ignore for a full 5 minutes!

Bless her heart.

Laughing!...............















'mountain,

There's NOTHING about Tract's products and personnel,that ain't not a whole fhuqking bunch suspect,as an absolute minimum.

Unless you're a fence-hopping Texan.

Laughing!...............















'pole,

Dre is yelling at herself,working upon convincing herself that she ain't GLUED to my every letter and pixel.

She's doing "great" too.

Laughing!................















teal,

It'd be funny to pinpoint who do and who don't gawk the pics,if only to corroborate their version of "honesty"...............(grin)















'Scribble,

Take an empty roll of schit paper,cross two threads upon it's end and you've a Turdic "Long Range" Scope.

Bless their hearts!

Laughing!........................















Old Dumbfhuqk,

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that you tip toe wide and clear of ALL things The Outdoors,but wade right in "brazenly"...to Whine in magnificent fashion. You "lucky" kchunt. Congratulations?!?

What were the "odds",on that "approach"...being your one and ONLY fhuqking move? Do not "forget" that you "can't" read this.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















Shefire,

You reserve the "right" to obliviously quantify your Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqkery further,by obliviously TRYING to "talk" about scopes and the "platforms" which your version of "experience","knowledge" and "results" are "founded" upon. Congratulations?!?

Spare NO details and go for the throat. Do not "forget" internal adjustment,BDC's,reticles,tracking,zero retention,hard use,weather fending,obscene round counts,SFP/FFP,MOA/MIL and Precision.

I'm always torn on which is fhuqking funnier,your Excuses,Lies or Whine. You "lucky" "hard charging" kchunt.

Feel free to use as much Imagination and Pretend as you dare,to find me "mistaken",as that will be REALLY fhuqking funny! Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................

Hey Stick it, I feel left out, give me a good old logger abusive harranging. I love your limited vocabulary and spelling. You should have started wearing a hard hat about 20 years earlier than you did...

Seafire, I think you should reconsider your comparison of Littl Schmuck. As you can see by his last post, he is still laughing like my stated comparison, i.e. that of the village idiot, not a passed over, retired Yosemite Sam (I will admit there are several iron clad characteristics that tie the two together, so you have him down fairly well). But the special needs village idiot encompasses many more of his "endearing characteristics" I would go so far as to include some characteristics from Loyd Christmas (played by Jim Carey in Dumb and Dumber), wouldn't you? Anyway, I think you should reconsider your analogy.

If you think it is a good idea, I will contribute my favorite Countersniper scope to Littl Schmuck for his precious evaluation. What do you think?

Sharpnel, stay out of this as we are all having too much much fun listening to Littl what's his name trying to slime us. It's getting to be fun baiting the village idiot and do not feel like sharing just yet! Wait your turn hombre!

LOL!

cant put BS on ignore .

One for entertainment and i love the rifle and fish pics and he does know his schit

some on here are too sensitive. As mentioned a few times hard to beat the ss scopes for the price point
the binos look interesting but can they rival meopta, used swaros used zeiss hd's wh o have proven cs, company history?

Hey Stick, I would like your autograph. Do you ever do signings?

shrapnel,

It is funnier than fhuqk,that you "think" you've EVER been "in" the loop about anything. Congratulations?!?

My Engleesh is without peer,which is hardly a "secret" and that is a gross understatement of like magnitude,as citing the simplistic fact,that you are a CLUELESS Drooling Dumbfhuqk. You "lucky" kchunt. Be sure to cite any/all words that are "too big","too tricky" or "too technical" for you to follow...as I assure you,THAT will be funnier than fhuqk too! Hint.

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise" that the only fhuqking thing you can "offer" in the firsthand,is yet another chapter of your never ending Whining Vagina Monologue. Do not "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery. You are doing "great". Laughing!

Take notes and apply same.

You've been led to water.

Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!....................















Old Dumbfhuqk,

I getta kick outta your Imagination and it's Pretend,as you cite "we",as a false hope in lending your AMAZING Dumbfhuqktitude some "credence". Congratulations?!?

Stupidity isn't "bait" there Dumbfhuqk and it is funnier than fhuqk,that Stupidity is all you can "produce". You "lucky" kchunt. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...................















SuperKchunt,

Great time to add an update on the "results" of you and Shefire's Do NOTHING Tournament,to quantify who gets the Tiara for having "done" the LEAST. Quite a drag race there and that pun be intended. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Be sure to start a Thread,should you ever step Outdoors this decade and don't "forget" the pics. Be sure to continue to plagiarize mine,as you do/MUST.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...................















ribka,

I was always gonna try me one of them Fixed Fhuqker scopes,but ended up with 4-dozen or so.(grin)

Nothing connects as many dots,at any price point.

Never been tough to cypher,who shoots and who don't...but The Paper Hat Brigade is shooting the schit outta their Imaginations and it's Pretend.

Bless their hearts...............















cdb,

Texans always DREAM fhuqking big and I'd not wanna swipe your Delusions from you. Congratulations?!?

Keep telling yourself,that some day you will be Blessed in sucha fashion. There's no slighting that you've the Imagination and Pretend requisite,to "convince" yourself of same. You "lucky" kchunt.

I hear through The Grape Vine,that Deer Season opens today and this next pass just might entail some skookum reticles,being pasted upon some Splendid Beasties. Feel free to say you won't be reading the writin',nor gawkin' the Splendid Pixels and rest assured that I "believe" you!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.........................

Oh my, I do believe this thread has gotten off tract.

I see what you did there ^^

As long as "tracking" isn't one of the dots, eh?

You speaking from experience.... or referencing the SINGLE report of some RTZ issues by EHG? I've got thousands of rounds through at least a half dozen different SS scopes over the past 10 years.... I've never had a single issue.

You're like that retarded kid who keeps sticking a key in the outlet... hoping the results are different each time.

cdb,

Intellestingly,Tract cain't get ON track...mainly due the "impetus" of "The Genius" and Counter Jockey's COLOSSAL Dumbfhuqkery surrounding same. The Goat Fhuqks are expressly "engineered" to preclude the Lies proffered and that schit,is fhuqking FUNNY! Hint.

Though it'll "work" for Texans and their "hard charging" pursuits. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................















'zig5,

Not much,as per always.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!...................















JeffOh,

I cain't speak in the firsthand and trigger finger,to much more than a hunnert or so Fixed Fhuqkers and have as of yet to see them do anything other than dazzle and simply CRUSH other scope's attempts to hang. Nothing connects as many dots,at any price point.

Though of course you are mired in the hilarity of having to suffer your "means","abilities" and "comprehension"...as a vehicle to "critique" wares beyond your resolve. Congratulations?!?

The magnitude of your fhuqking STUPIDITY,never disappoints in it's oblivious humor,as you feverishly TRY to do your fhuqking best! You are soooooooooooooo incredibly shy of a first fhuqking clue,that it remains a fhuqking shame that you cain't muster the 13 IQ Points requisite,to savvy same. You "lucky" kchunt!

Be sure to dangle some pics of the 6rds you'll shoot this year and start a Thread on how cardboard boxes are "tricky" and how your STUPIDITY is an "advantage".

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.....................















'shooter,

JeffOh can ONLY do the best she can,with what incredibly fhuqking little she has to work with.

6rds downrange,is a VERY "big" year for her and she'll ALMOST punch a Tag.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!.........................

Cheer up dweeb. Probably not much worse than very short and bald but if you look hard enough, you will find it.

Stick it,

Thanks for including me in your pointless drivel...

It is evident a Texan beat the $hit out of you in your younger days Stick but put in to perspective, if it hadn't been a Texan it would've been someone else.

Dangle some more pics...

Here's a short (pun intended) play list that reminded me of you Stick olde boy.

I'm just happy a tree picture was posted in this cluster fquck!!!!

30 year-old tree picture at that! LOL.

I read the entire thread. Entertaining (as always) in this forum and the unusual usual cast of characters remain. It's been a while since I spent much time here reading (been busy) and this one didn't dissappoint.

I checked out the Tract scopes and I'm not tempted by what I see, compared to other products for longer range shooting. The reticle is definitely not to my liking. I will check back in a while, though and see what may come (no offense to Tract, just my opinion).

I could, however, go for some bins from what I see/hear. May give that product a chance once the job settles down for the Fall months, and I have some time to play. After all, half a dozen bins scattered around is not enough.

It's good to see that THE dwarf and his little cluster following of crotch critters are still entertaining everyone here on the 'Fire. Laffin'!

Here's a family photo at the original U-Pick Christmas tree joint.

SuperKchunt,

Now ain't it a fascinating constant,that if/when talking The Outdoors...you gotta ALWAYS steal pics from someone. Congratulations?!? You "lucky" kchunt.

Were you not a Thief and a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit,you'd be unable to "contribute" anything. Texan...ain'tcha'? Laughing!

In fairness,I must confess to having killed more than a bunch of Old Growth Redwoods and you'll always be able to say you "know" a Cutter. Perspective never ain't not intellesting,as well as being funnier than fhuqk. Mebbe extol a wee bit on how you are always licking windows and looking Outdoors through the pain. Pun be intended.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...................
















Shrapnel,

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that all your Coke Bottled Dumbfhuqkery can muster,is a heartfelt Whine and yet another chapter in your never ending Vagina Monologue. Congratulations?!?

What were the "odds" of you shutting right the fhuqk up and running the opposite direction of something soooooo fhuqking simplistic as correlationg POA/POI intersections. Google it. Hint. laughing!

Here's to the perpetual HILARITY,of you doing your best and how incredibly shy of the mark those feeble attempts are.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..........................














cdb,

It's your Imagination,feel free to Pretend with it as you MUST. Congratulations?!?

It remains a simplistic FACT,that Texans are reliably THE Dumbest Of Fhuqks and it makes 'em giddy to prove same,as you ohhh sooooo eloquently attest. Tough to beat the humor of a Texas Hissy Fit. Though there is one thing that remains CERTAIN and that is when it's all said and done in Texas,there will have been a fhuqk of a LOT more said...than done. You "hard chargers" REALLY "get after it". Laughing!

I'd dangle some pics to fuel your Imagination and it's Pretend,but it'd be Sensory Overload and VERY "unfair".

Looking forward to your next Whine,almost as much as the fresh batch of Excuses. Say sumptin' in Spanish.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.........................

















'buck,

The Paper Hat Brigade is on a roll,working on "convincing" themselves that they have a first fhuqking clue and only due to the inherent futility of such an "effort"...is it reliably funnier than fhuqk.

Hell,you'd think one of The Do NOTHING Kchunts would take a swing at rifle scopes. I "wonder" why they will not?!?

Laughing!

Bless their hearts..................























'MAG,

Your giddy excitement is palpable,because you sure as fhuqk could NOT dangle a Splendid Pixel yourself. Congratulations?!?

Be sure to clamor to every word and pixel and Humor Points are awarded in advance,for saying that you do not.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............














'Nut,

Funnier than fhuqk,how EXIF stumps you STUPID Fhuqks. Google it. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I getta kick outta your feeble attempt to post pics in the firsthand,as them Delusions really work "great" for you. Laughing!

Knock it outta Da' Park and say a leetle sumptin' about 'scopes and how you use 'em,then dangle some "results"...mainly because it'll be funnier than fhuqk.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...........

Hey Short Mag ...... How come you don't post any recent "cutter" pics?

"Cutter" .... I suppose you thank that handle is cool?

SuperCub,

The little pygmy cùnt can't spell for shît and he doesn't understand grammar at all. His spelling sucks second only to his use of capitalization and punctuation marks in general. We've ALL been able to say we know an Alaskan pygmy cùnt.

Says the guy who spells "dude"... DOOD.... laffin....

DOOD does it on purpose, the Alaskan gnome is plain stupid.

What JGRaider said.

'MAG,

Your giddy excitement is palpable,because you sure as fhuqk could NOT dangle a Splendid Pixel yourself. Congratulations?!?

Be sure to clamor to every word and pixel and Humor Points are awarded in advance,for saying that you do not.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............


And there it is.....love it!!

SuperKchunt,

I can only speak in the firsthand,to having killed over 100,000,000 bd ft of Timber(hunnert million+). You can only speak in the first hand,on how to suck for a lifetime. Congratulations?!?

Funnier than fhuqk that you feign familiarity with the Lexicon,just as it's funnier than fhuqk when you attempt to feebly feign a first fhuqking clue,about any and everything else. I'm rather at ease in coining Phraseology and you can cetainly feel free to nod your head,in order to feign a fhuqking first clue. Laughing!

There's no slighting how "real" your Imagination and it's Pretend are to you,nor how badly you NEED it...you "lucky" kchunt.

If I woke up dead in the morning,I'd have seen and done more by Noon,than you have in a "Life" of trying. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















MagnumDouche,

Your Whine is never not Magnificent in it's grandeur and your ever growing list of Insecurities are incredibly well founded. Congratulations?!?

Perhaps you and SuperKchunt should realign your Axis Of Imaginaton And Pretend,so as to be able to bask in the sweet "satisfactions" of all the things you nearly did,the wares you nearly used and the places you nearly used 'em. Laughing!

You Drooling Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqks are a hoot! I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that you skirted all things The Rifle and The Outdoors,as you placed your trembling fingers upon the keyboard,to pen a Whine. What were the "odds"?!?

As per always,be SURE to cite any/all words that are "too tricky","too lengthy" or "too Technical" for you and I'll happily take the nano second requisite,to rub your nose even further in your Incredible STUPIDITY. Dare ya'. Hint. Laughing!

Just saying.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















'shooter,

The ONLY fhuqking thing MagnumDoosh can "offer" in the firsthand,is Imagination and Pretend. Groovin' on her gettin' giddy at her Delusional "ALL".

Window Licking Lap Dogs are a fhuqking hoot.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!.............















'Raider,

Don't "forget" about your Imaginary Pretend Ignore...despite it hilariously quantifying your sheer and utter CLUELESSNESS,as well as lending an inkling to what a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit you are. Congratulations?!?

How do them Tract binos do,gawking through barbed wire? Do their "resolve",up your "odds" on them High Fence "pursuits" you relish?

I'm fhuqking crying...I'm laughing sooooooooooooooo fhuqking hard!!! The Texas Version of everything,is fhuqking HILARIOUS! Here's to you,simply doing your best and the oblivious humor which floods from same. You "lucky" kchunt.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...........















'MAG,

Dangle one of "your" pictures...to REALLY frost the cake. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................

From a different thread, but when Little Stink stuck his nose in it it all comes around to the magical Super Snipers.



I wonder why Little Stink didn't attack elkhuntinguide for this post?

"Say sumptin in Spanish"

Beso me culo mamon.

I wonder if stick up his ass would have anywhere near the guts to say any of this bloated, cocky, insulting bull shi! straight to the face of real men; rather than typing his bs on a computer.

I can think of easily about 25 guys that I wrestled with over the years that would kick the absolute shi! out of him just for kicks if he said any of this horse shi! straight to them. And that includes myself. And I have not even met the dude. And I know this to be fact not fantasy. We are talking about world class and NCAA champ wrestlers. Good luck with that dip stick. You would be on the ground so fast if you said any of this shi! to any tough real man. So go lick your keyboard.

Laffin.

LOL. from the crotch critter living on Stick's 'taint'.

Some folks just can't recognize 'issues' with scopes, though they try their best...

So some here can understand: "Hint..."

Can't wait to hear the Crying Dwarf and see the trained Monkies slingin' chit.

Laffin'!!!!!!

LOL... from the guy who's handle is the contents of his mouth...

Bahahahaha. Sling that chit!

MagnumDoosh,

I'm torn,with the hilarity of your Secret Squirrel "revelations" and your haste to schlep STUPIDITY to places it's never been before. GREAT time to wax eloquent on being THE Do NOTHING Kchunt,that's never even fhuqking seen any of the wares cited,let alone "used" 'em. Congratulations?!?

Issue bein',I cain't know which is funnier,when you TRY to talk in the firsthand or when you plagiarize poignantly,to obliviously quantify your INCREDIBLE Dumbfhuqktitude. Decisions...decisions. Laughing!

Now I'm at a crossroads,because I'm either tremblin' in my boots at the very mention of the name you yield to substantiate your Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqkery,or liken him akin to Family and love him more than a bunch. It'll be funnier if you "decide". Laughing!

I've gots me this [bleep] "hunch" that someone enjoys launching an Eeephus Pitch just as much as I do and that there is conjoined satisfactions in the hilarity that ensues folks of your dismal ilk,swinging and wildly missing same,then "running" to get on base as the crowd is rolling in laughter from the stands. You are doing fhuqking "GREAT". Just sayin'. Hint.

You poor poor(literally) AMAZINGLY Stupid Fhuqk!!!

Bless your heart. Wow +P+++!

Laughing!.........................

















cdb,

Are you bitching or bragging...you "lucky" kchunt? Congratulations?!?

The Texas Version of everything,is fhuqking HILARIOUS!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..............
















obama 2,

I was on pins & needles reading your "compelling" Vagina Monologue. Congratulations?!?

I'll feign my surprise,that your Imagination and it's Pretend can "reward" you with everything,except Reality. Do tell...what exactly does a Whining CLUELESS Kchunt "do" for a "living",that "allows" her to be totally devoid a first fhuqking clue and a Turd Polishing Brokedick Ninja? Spare no "details" on how "manly" it is.

I'm fhuqking cryin'...I'm laughing sooooooo fhuqking hard!!! You "hard chargers" REALLY "get after it".

Oopsie! You forgot to say you "know" a Cutter too.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!......................















'Nut,

Dangle some pics of your "hard charging" wares and comment on how you "critique" 'em,given the propensity of "all" your High Zoot "Adventures". Congratulations?!?

Lie as you do,Plagiarize as you must and go for the throat,sparing no "details". The harder you try,the funnier it is. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!....................















'shooter,

If you swipe her Imagination and Pretend away,she'll have nothing left...and that'd be mean.

THE funniest approach,is to coax her into "displaying" her version of "results" and fueling her Imagination and it's Pretend...so she can take a swing.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!..........................

Trevor to the white courtesy phone.....

I've got a hunch EHG was speaking the truth about what he saw with the 6x MQ.

TFF nearly a month and Stick has everyone still worked into a froth and panties firmly bunched....you guys are about as sharp as a bowling ball

'mountain,

I doubt she could reliably get it to her ear.on the first attempt.

What a bumbling bunch of Boobs at Tract.

FUNNY schit!..................















JeffZero,

You feel free to quote/plagiarize whatever makes you feel best,as you bank upon the hilarious fhuqking constant...that it is never going to be you in the firsthand. Congratulations?!?

Lemme tell you a leetle "secret",in that if I give something a thumbs up or thumbs down,that you can take them findings to the fhuqking bank. Hint. It's doubly fhuqking funny,when it takes you decades to come to the realization. Re-Hint. Laughing!

I'm rather at ease in having flogged on over a 100 of the wares,that you've yet to see. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..............















dvd',

Same old schit...simply a different day. The Paper Hat Brigade is all too giddy to swoon schit that is expressly "engineered" to do the opposite of it's intent and are all to eager to talk out their asses,in regards to the things they "know" the LEAST about. Then it is copiously sprinkled with Imaginary Pretend Ignore and the usual cast of CLUELESS Fhuqks,are in a heated race to see who can lie the fastest/most. What are the "odds",that a Texan reliaby "wins" the Tiara?!? Laughing!

Never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't and it's only fair to grant all the opportunity to expound...if only in oblivious quantification.

No different than citing in a nano second,that the latest 82 Trick Move Rifle Company is gonna fall on their fhuqking face. Some folks can read sign,others simply nibble on schit while wandering a trail. Tract is a floundering Fhuqk Show,"staffed" by Lying Fhuqks talking out their ass and that is simplistic fact.

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!.........................

Leave it to JeffHomO to once again cite what others have done...

Off Topic,

but hey Paul, sorry I missed wishing you a Happy Birthday yesterday.... So Belated Happy Birthday, hope it was a good one my friend.

Now I'll let you guys get back to your computerized Bar Room Brawl & Slander Fest.....trying to figure out whose the one with the most testosterone, and biggest balls...

27 pages and 95% of trash talk. Really this is what the Campfire has evolved too? Everyone has to start somewhere. Give them a break. Its like akin to trashing the new 2017 Mustang and its not even out yet and you don't even drive a stick. Grow up. This should be a place for mature discussion.

Agreed, unfortunately no one that can shut it down will and you can't shut up those that think being noticed is more important than being a good person.

Looks to be true. The site owner obviously doesn't mind letting a poster berate and belittle a PAYING ADVERTISER. Amazing.

Should a company get a pass because they pay to advertise? Isn't that one of the biggest complaints about magazines and writers- that they just peddle garbage?


You don't have to like the messenger to understand that the message is correct- their scopes are an absolute fail for their stated intent.


When you have people that have never done what the product they have designed to do, talking about that product and then advertising it.... They should be called on it.


The specs of Tract scopes are the specs to attract blister pack buyers. When a company is crowing about "glass", "warranty", and a "2 inch box test" while stating something is great for long range (or even 200 yard deer hunting), It should be clear to any semi knowledgable hunter or shooter that they are missing something in the experience department....

'223,

She can ALMOST open a cardboard box by herself.

ALMOST.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!...........















Shefire,

Ain't it funnier than fhuqk that facts are reliably the most unsettling,to THE Dumbest Of Fhuqks? Congratulations?!?

Nearly as funny as you poking your toes in the water for your ass sucking B-day commentary,upon a Thread in which the recipient is fully as fhuqking CLUELESS as you. Here's to the perpetual oblivious HILARITY,of you doing your best and being devoid any/all inklings of that poignant profundity.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















'hoges,

I speak matter of factly,simply because facts fhuqking matter. Hint.

It surely is disconcerting for someone as fhuqking STUPID as you,to be inundated with Reality and the cause/effect of what do what. Congratulations?!?

Perhaps you'll be the first Do NOTHING Kchunt to bitch herself happy,but them "odds" is well shy of probable. Would you like that answer now,or later? Laughing!

"Engineered" STUPIDITY isn't a "start",it's a fhuqking finish and it is fhuqking funnier than schit,that you Window Licking Clueless Fhuqks are incapable of grasping something so glaringly fhuqking obvious. Hint.

Of course there are those who "think" Obama is doing "great" too...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.........................















'1010,

Reality is,ONLY you STUPID Fhuqks...can keep you STUPID Fhuqks,from saying something fhuqking STUPID. Hint. Congratulations?!?

You will not,because you can NOT,as you simply remain at the mercy of your "means","abilities" and "comprehension". Hint.

Take a fhuqking swing at finding me "mistaken" and I'll happily take the time to rub your nose even further in your Incredible STUPIDITY. I'm looking forward to the Silence and Excuses...nearly as much as the fresh Whine. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................















'Raider,

Too fhuqking FUNNY! A fence-hopping Texan swooning an Advertiser's "right" to pay to LIE about their Goat Fhuqked wares. Congratulations?!?

Next you'll be swooning the Entry Fee to open a gate...you poor poor(literally) STUPID Fhuqk!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.............















'osus,

Are you slighting the "magnitude" of "The Genius's" "engineering" "skills" and the Counter Jockey's "experience"?!? Laughing!

Tract could not have done worse and that is of course the ONLY fhuqking reason it is soooooooooo fhuqking funny!

The DUMB Fhuqks will LIE with a straight face though and that swoons Texans.

Laughing!....................

At least they have an "ask the expert" button on their site. Lol

That button must shoot an email directly to JeffhomO's inbox.

Got some reason, after looking at your stupid pics and listening to your drivel that apparently had convinced some weaker minded individuals is the gospel, finding you wrong is not where I would aim that swing... Your tough guy talk only works on those that apparently need to be led to an opinion or share your overwhelming desire to prove his manhood by public bashing.

Formidilosis, I see where your coming from with your statement but it's too flawed to wholeheartedly agree. This is a sponsor, paying for space on this site, that is like an ad in a magazine, not a crooked review. If you expect paid advertising to go away you obviously have little understanding of how those magazines stay afloat. If a publication chooses to have writers swayed by those dollars then it's what we should hate. You nor big stick have any first hand experience with these optics, if you find the specs out of line then send an email, start a professional thread to get your point across, do something f***ing productive! If this site is going to keep running it needs sponsors, at least that is my assumption. Keep treating them like crap and they will leave, at least they should since forum administration is incapable handling things, then see what happens after this kind of public bs goes on for awhile.

Trevor,

One reason you're catching so much grief is the bolded statement above. If you're going to shoot "the box", you need to make it at least, a box that has 20 MOA or 10 mils of adjustment per side. A 1" or 2" box doesn't test your turret's tracking ability, thus you can't determine if the scope will track correctly or rtz. You need to really move the POI around with significant turret input. I didn't come up with the size of the box test myself. I had input from men who do things with a rifle and a scope that cannot be done by your average shooter. Military snipers, former and active. Men who had/have to know the ability of the scope on their rifle. If a bobble is experienced then they can incorporate the flaw a firing solution when they solve their "problem". I've got it straight from a Marine Corp Scout Sniper that the box needed to move the POI a minimum of 10 mils per leg, or side. That's a pretty big chunk of travel input via your turrets and has a much better chance of revealing flaws in tracking than a 2" box (2" per side?).

You guys are a hoot

I seen that somewhere before...

Too much moderator has killed a lot of sites...

letting discussions happen as they would face to face is not going to kill a site.

'223,

A company who "knows" as "much" about scopes as Tract does,is ALWAYS going to be best served by asking questions...instead of giving "answers". Their Goat Fhuqk line up is April Fools worthy hilarity!

It is a curious business approach to "offer" absolute schit and LIE about same,as an opening move.

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!.................















'1010,

There's no slighting how very WELL founded your countless Insecurities are. Congratulations?!?

I stated simply,that I dare the schit out of you,to conjure ALL of your Imagination and it's Pretend,to formulate a single fhuqking Delusion,where you find me "mistaken" about anything. Rest assured,it WILL be funnier than fhuqk. Hint.

Pardon my stating fact,as you state an Estrogen filled Vagina Monologue and never crept within 100yds of citing ANY scope "particulars". What were the fhuqking "odds". You couldn't "critique" a Q-tip,you CLUELESS Drooling Dumbfhuqk. Hint.

I reckon it ain't very fhuqking "fair",that I'm afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess and a guess is the "best" you will EVER do. Say a leetle sumptin' about "all" the glass you gun and the platforms they set upon. Lookin' forward to the Silence,Excuses and Fresh Whine...in no particular fhuqking order. Hint.

You might wanna seek help on your surging Hormone Levels,though in fairness,it would be funnier if you did not. You "lucky" kchunt.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















MagnumDoosh,

You Amazingly STUPID Fhuqk...only you and JeffZero would wade in with sumptin' somebody told somebody,in regards to sumptin' you've NEVER even seen or touched,as a formulation for your "critique". Congratulations?!?

Is there NO end to your Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqkery?!?

Wow +P++!!!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................















dvd',

It's never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't.(grin)

One should count how many times The Do NOTHING Gang lied about their Imaginary Pretend Ignore,how much they "don't care" and their "manliness"...as relative barometers of evaluation,to obliviously quantify their Retardation.

FUNNY schit!....................

























teal,

If it don't fetch birds...it's simply a fhuqking cat.(grin)



This one burns diesel................















Sitka',

Them who plead the loudest/longest for others to shield their STUPIDITY from them,are reliably THE Dumbest Of Fhuqks and that is a right proper Dichotomy.

None of 'em can cite anything in the firsthand,other than a Whine and an Estrogen fueled Vagina Monologue.

Facts are unsettlin' to them of the ilk and that is reliably THE recipe for oblivious humor.

Texans,"The Genius" and The Counter Jockey are really knockin' hilarity out of the fhuqking Park...by simply giving it their ALL and doing their best!

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!..................

I'd bet this ain't happening here with any regularity either.

I understand where you are coming from with that. But I highly doubt half of this stuff would go on in actual face to face talk. If it did, I would think there would be more than verbal swings being thrown.