Kickoff soon! Been waffling a bit today about it. Final prediction is LSU 31 - OSU 24. LSU's defense rules the day!

Begin the countdown till 257 Roy pipes in!!

Enjoy the game all!!

OSU 24 - LSU 21

LSU if they employ THE CHINESE BANDITS.

LSU 27 OSU 10
SEC RULES!!!!!!!

Not to muddy the waters, but I owe somebody some bullets. Is it over yet?

LSU 38
OSU 24

WTF?

Herbstreit, Corso, and Blackledge pick tOSU? Gads, the Sicilian Kiss of Death if ever there was one. There are a lot of pundits who have picked tOSU today... too cute by half? We'll see.

Will

Will, I was late getting to it...ESPN is my go to...but the Fox pregame was pretty dang good! Shaq's pregame was funny. The Dome sounds pretty dang packed with Tiger fans from the bayou.

Along with the GO team.

5 4 3 2 1....


Roy is chiming in, back from my nap!!

Final prediction, i have maintained a defensive battle prediction with the game being decided when LSU can not stop OSU's running game. I am changing my tune and predicting a semi-blowout 34-10 OSU. These is some motivated Buckeyes!!!!

LSU will cover...Bet the house...

LSU by a Touchdown and a field goal!

Everyone has a game plan and is motivated...until they get hit in the mouth! LSU will be motivated too.

LSU "IF" they can contain OSU's big back.

Not liking that first play..

2nd two much better...

4th play kicked ass YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pretty much starting off like last years game.

Well the first OSU possession went well.

Certainly did... but so did the one last year. :p

We'll see.

Will

OHIO STATE 7 LSU 0

Go O!

Yeah, that thought did cross my mind

How'd the gators bowl game go this year?

Well the first LSU possession went well.

LSU showed a lot of speed..................

covering that overhead snap............

LSU is showing all the poise of SEC best team.

The center blowing the ball by the QB?

What was that!

Ohio State!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Somebody forgot to tell Ohio State they were supposed to lose.

Well the second OSU possession went well

Ten to nuffin Baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roy officially has a semi

Where's Isaac. anyhow?

Say, that reminds me...did Florida have a bowl game this year?

Looks like game on, LSU deep in Buckeye territory.

At least we know LSU can move the ball, a little bit.

I think Penguin, with his Nascar ties should donate two tickets to Bristol to the winner of the Bowl Bonanza....

And unlikely hero...the LSU OL...seems to be asserting itself!

Let's just start sucking, how's that for a game plan?

And just like that...it's a tie ball game!

LSU has looked really good these last two possessions. Looks like we might be in for a game!

BAM! What a hit.

The worm has turned...

Hey, this Wells RB is manly!

What a stiff arm. BAM! Touche.

WTF? Our discipline sucks!

Stupid mistakes like that will cost you a close game.

Son of a donkey, gave up 6 right there

This appears to be a game of who will flinch first!

Don't mind me, I'm just talking to myself.

Is that all? Tickets to Bristol? :p

Who got these refs anyway? Are we going to have to put up with a bunch of BS personal fouls all night long?

Will

I'm headin to the liquor store at halftime, dang.

The OSU wheels are officially falling off...

LSU spots them 10, now up by 14...

24-10 LSU...

He never scored....

ONLY THING BETTER IS NOTRE DAME LOSING

Lots to play yet, but it's a little painful right now.

I'd bet that this LSU team could beat the Detroit Lions tonight...

The Big Uglies in purple and gold are takin' charge on both side of the ball!

I'd bet the OSU team could also.....grin

Bite me Bart, I was eatin' backstrap roast for dinner. :grin;

Decided the trip to the liquer store could not wait till halftime. Looks like I didn't miss much.


Whole lot of MF'ering going on in the Roy household right now.

I knew that would smoke you out...
Hows the grub?

Screw it, work or not tomorrow, tonight I'm getting drunk!

Damn fine, habanero jerky is marinatin'. I'll tell ya what, that No. 1 Defense really looks good tonite. Ironbender, whats is going on, and gophergunner, did they even plan on playing tonite? Les

Yep, you'll need it after the [bleep] get beat again.

And the Dallas Cowflops too

91 Michigan man.

Only thing I'm grinnin' about right now.

Ummmm ummm.

Two drives deep for tOSU killed by penalties. One drive from LSU taken off life support by penalties.

Did anyone bother to tell tOSU that this was a pretty good team and that they can beat you without help? :p

They better clean it up in the 2nd half. They are probably deep in the playbook as it is.

Will

Gettin'? You waited this late?

The Big Joke strikes again.........

I think Will hit it on the head, OSU was running lights out. Tried to get greedy and pick up big yards on the pass plays. THey abondon the running game when they need to keep on running down thier throat.

I'm burning my sweater-vest tomorrow if this second half continues the way the second quarter went!

I also must note the disparity in the...ummm...aesthetics factor when the cameras lock on the OSU band and the LSU band...they aint found a good lookin' midwest chick yet that I've seen.

you should burn that sweatervest regardless.......

If you notice 'ole dumb' Les found something that worked and stuck with it. In this case the run. Then after scoring a couple good drives with it THEN he broke open the pass plays.

tOSU's play calling has been disjointed all year long. Seems like they don't have any continuity. Then when things get stymied they get into a rut of predictability.

Better defense wouldn't hurt either would it?

Will

Looks like tOSU has them right where they want them.

Having said that, they better knock off the dumb mistakes - and also take Flynn's passing ability a bit more seriously. Hester - well, he's Hester.

Hope Tressle can come up with some magic at halftime.

Any of you idiots that think that OSU doesn't belong in this game are nuts.

The bottom line is this. Both of these programs are first rate grada A great teams. If you think that either team would beat the other a major majority of the time, well, you're viewing it a whole lot different than any reasonable person would.

Don't sweat it man. He's still hopped up over beating Colorado last week.

Will

At least we win the halftime kicking contest

Roy...Sorry I missed you buddy. I was watching the "Sound Of Music' with the kids.

What's happening, man??

OSU can win a half time show at least...

My planned halftime trip to the liquer store went about 8 minutes earlier than planned

This frigg'n halftime show is gonna go on for an hour...

and a half.

BTW Isaac-I am starting to price a box of .243 TSX's.

If we come out and stop LSU on thier first posession, we have a shot. If LSU drives down and scores, it's over IMO.

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I also must note the disparity in the...ummm...aesthetics factor when the cameras lock on the OSU band and the LSU band...they aint found a good lookin' midwest chick yet that I've seen. [/quote]

That drum major dude from osu was kinda cute with his baton twirlin and throwin and catchin and all, if yer into that sort of thing...

i agree Bart, get back to the game!!!!

Keith

I'd agree...he's the cutest corn-fed chick I've seen thus far!

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I don't understand Roy!!

Are you saying you lost our bet. A bet you had with "Isaac the worthless".

It can't be true!!

On a different note, I'm knocking back drinks like I was 15 years younger. Tomorrow is gonna hurt, possibly on many levels

Dude, I got court at 9am...gotta get the stench offa me by then!

Ain't sayin shiit yet, just that I was looking at the price of .243 TSX's for conversation, that's all!!!

Does drinking make you one of those angry guys??/

Yup, I'll be up at 5:30, but tomorrow should be a lgiht day so I might be able to sneak home by 2-3PM.

The big trump card tonight is my son. I'm wishing him a good nights sleep, for both of our sakes!!

Not any more than usual.

Losing makes me a little more cantankerous than normal tho.

I wish you luck for the second half Roy.

Gotta go watch this game from bed now as I'm getting up at 430 am to end my season with a last deer and squirrel hunt.

I'll check at 4:30 for any kindnesses you may have bestowed upon me.

PS...Good luck on the speedy recovery of your boy, as well!!

Thanks!

Good luck hunting tomorrow, I hope you get a monster squirrel and a dink deer. Or vice versa.

I'll be heading to bed shortly myself, if things don't turn rapidly!

And you thought that my prediction of LSU 40 to 14 was nuts, what do you think now?

I have never seen Tressel this fired up.

I sure hope it rubs off on the rest of the team soon.

Nuts!

There is no way we can score 14 points unless we get two safeties.

That would make you wrong!!!!

This game could either break open or swing again... next couple series are crucial. 31-10 or maybe 24-17?

The season for both teams in in the next couple possessions.

Will

Another MF'er!

STUPID
STUPID
STUPID

I'm afraid that's the ball game... but I'll stick around for the coup de gras.

Will

STUPID
STUPID
STUPID

That's about 8 personal fouls.

WTF?

STUPID STUPID STUPID

Is Steve at this game?

STUPID
STUPID
STUPID


See ya all!

Congrats to LSU. They showed up, changed the early momentum, and flat out deserve to win.

Freaking dumbass play for OSU didn't help the matter either.

STUPID STUPID STUPID

......that would be Clemson.


Did I mention the Big Joke..........

After this game, how many SEC teams would be favored over OSU? Four??????

Heh... this old game will break your heart man.

To me this is the pinnacle of irony:

Here you have a coach that is maligned as 'dumb' who is calling a perfect game. You have a team that is the most penalized in the history of organized football playing almost perfect, but very physical and emotional at the same time.

OTOH, you have one of the most studious men in football getting outcalled, outgunned, and outguessed. And you have one of the cleanest teams in football who can't stop a drive for making personal fouls.

Will

PS: Man I'm glad I am not a tOSU fan for the next season!

I was hoping for a tighter game than this. Looks like Ohio is already on the plane home....

31-10 L S U

OSU had no business in this game. This is what the BCS has brought us. Lousy teams playing in the NCG because they schedule creampuffs and play in a conference that doesn't even have a championship game. Thus there is no measuring stick until it's too late.

There are at least 5 teams better than OSU this year.

...I thought OSU had a chance in this go around with the SEC , But it's looking like they are coming apart at the seams. OSU has lost all eight games they've played against SEC teams, this looks like number nine! LSU really didn't seem that great this year, a lot of squeakers (3) and two losses in thier conference.Overall Georgia looked like the strongest team in the SEC this year, if they hadn't stumbled with the Tennesee loss they'd have been playing for the national championship.
....It's LSU 31-- OSU 10...This could be a repeat of last years Florida drubbing of OSU..

LSU had too many injuries during the season to show its best in every game. The guy that blocked the field goal, this is only the secound game that he has played in this year. A healthy LSU is A VERY STRONG TEAM....

Until they have a playoff system D1 College Football is a JOKE!

Lets all bitch about something we have no control over....
No...
I'll watch the rest of the game...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

Due to our previous history, I can say without reserve, up yours!

Your still pissed about 2002. OSU deserved to be in this game. That is indisputable. The fact that they are getting whooped has nothing to do with that.

Go Hurricanes!

HAHAHAHAHA

GO TIGERS!

Actually, they have only lost all 8 of their bowl games. Outside of bowl games they are something like 7-3 all time, Just saying, and it's about the only point that I have right now.

MAYBE?

PUT THE BALL INTO THE ENDZONE!!!!!!

Dude, you're clueless. I don't hate Alabama, Penn State or Nebraska and they beat us in National championship games. They didn't deserve anything, they survived a system that rewards scheduling a weak schedule and avoiding a conference championship game. OSU is being outclassed and outplayed. They would lose this game 8 out of ten times as they would if they played Georgia or USC.

Lets what will this make OSU record against the SEC, oh yeah 0 and 8

And michigans is what? Oh yeah 7-3 against the SEC

Hmmmm, Michigan bowl record of 23-5-1 compared to OSU 7-13-1, yep, tell me another bedtime story on how good OSU is. By the way, these are the records against SEC teams.

I hope the Yuckeyes are gonna make it interesting...At least they scored...

Right.

You tell me who deserved it more this year.

I'm waiting.

No hope, Tressel needs to pack his boys up and go home. I hear the fat lady singing!

Michigan............... at least we beat our SEC opponent at a bowl game.

91

That number is all I can come up with

That fat lady you here is coming from Detroit...

They deserved it 91x didn't they?

So Michigan got a whopping 91 yards against OSU, OSU damn sure didn't trounce them like many predicted. Remember OSU only got 279 yards in that game, not as many as they had gotten against other opponents.

I didn't say Ann Arbor...

Yep, 14-3 is a score to be proud of, as I said, we can at least beat an SEC team, when has OSU done that in a bowl game, oh yeah.............NEVER

What, dill Bill Ford finally fire that schithead Millen today?

If we had a playoff, we'd know. Georgia and USC at the least.

You is dream'n....

How's Michigan's record versus the Southern Conference this year?


APP STATE FOOTBALL

Yeah, hey the Lions even brought a new phrase in this year.

And the word of the year, as selected by the American Dialect Society is ... subprime. It comes from the loan industry, of course, but linguists say it's catching on with the young people as slang for "far below the best," as in "The Lions subprimed another season."

I want to insert a Redskins jab here but I'll refrain...

That hurts HBB, that really hurts, but App state is good.

You could argue that they might beat OSU, but your argument that they deserve it more holds ZERO water. Both of them would be there right now, if they only had one loss. They don't. They don't deserve it.

Would they beat OSU, maybe. Do they deserve to be playing tonight? No. No way.

Hold on here, we may have a ball game again?

Not with 12 minutes left, OSU is gonna do a Pam, and choke on it.

I gotta get my licks in where I can

That's like arguing that Hawaii deserved it then. We all know how that worked out.

Go ahead everybody else does, I'm immune

Maybe. If they would quit beating themselves (I heard tell that you have that problem at times????), they may actually have a shot.


Just in, that sucks!

That was a world class pass there, gee, LSU recovered the ball. Imagine that.

Hey, I don't have those problems, I change hands and gain a stroke, especially when Momma is TDY.

Biggest play of the game made by the son of a Hurricane.

Couldn't resist.

If you think that 14-3 in that game was close, you weren't watching the same game that I was. OSU stuffed MI with such regularity that they had no worries about having to put more points on the board. If you hold a team to three and out every possession, you don't have to worry about running up the score. you just worry about running out the clock. That was the game that I and everyone else saw.

Nah, if Tressels boys would have been able to, they would have ran the score, thats a weak excuse. Les

They were more concerned about the clock. Not a weak excuse at all. Michigan accomplished nothing offensively, and we have no idea how much they accomplished defensively because we had no worries.

Run the ball, run out time. Win.

That's how that one went, I know, I watched it. You can trust me

OSU sucks almost as bad as the BCBS. Neither the Sugar, Rose, or Championship game were competitive.

38 to 17,1:50 left, Schmuckeyes are toast!!!!!!!!!!! GO SEC!!

I'm gonna pat myself on the back here...

Ahh, too bad, maybe Next year the Buckeyes can win against the SEC, Michigan has been there done that, Ohio, still has to improve thier learning curve.

Got to like that, kicker is laid out prone and everyone is celebrating.

Who is it, the kicker? Where is the gatorade, let's get coach.

Well, How about that!!!!

Roundup

AARRRGGGGHHHHHH - the agony of defeat.

Flynn played a career-best game, OSU took some really stupid penalties and the LSU D came up with a couple of really timely plays. Pass the booze ---- damnit...

Bahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Congrats to the OSU bunch played well,just some dumb mistakes penalty wise but them Bengal Tigers showed up and showed out,Gonna be another Slobberknocker next season in the best Football conference in the land SEC!

Congrats LSU. You deserved it.

This second best shiit is for the birds. Oh well, I guess I'll take consolation in the fact that this was a rebuilding year, we got into the NC game not because we were that great, but because we sucked the least. Nobody else deserved to be there more. Nobody can successfully argue that.

Once again, proves nothing other than tonight, LSU was the better team. Another WTF? performance. Just fantastic. Another long year of hearing how great the SEC is and how lowly the Big Ten is. I got news for you, the SEC didn't beat OSU, LSU did.

One thing's for sure, Tressel is a class act. OSU is lucky to have him. I did find it interesting in listening to some of the post game stuff......teams from the Soutnern US have won 8 of the last 10 national titles.

Nice job!

Once again an SEC teams beeatch. Big 10.......LOL

Mike

SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC ENOUGH SAID! YANKEE BITCHES!

Don't take it personal 257 Roy. (If you're not too drunk to read this) my 257 Weatherby is almost my favorite rifle.

Well...

I hate I slept thru most of the second half...looks like I didn't miss much. Too bad Big 10 fans...yes the SEC will bank this. "SEC once again spots Big 10 larges lead, only to discover Big 10 actually serious."

Not bitchin, just making a statment about how dumb the BCS is. I can't think of anything that would not be better with a Playoff!

Gotta say, I'm a happy man tonight. Looked ugly early but LSU got back off the mat and proved they were the better team. Dorsey, Hester, Francois, and a whole bunch of other Tigers are studs. First team to get 2 crystal balls, 34 wins in 3 years, 3 SEC Championships in 7 years. These are definately the good old days of LSU football. Wish I wasn't a grown up with bills to pay or I'd be in the truck heading to New Orleans right now. Being a little to drunk to drive is getting in the way a little too. Its a great night to be a Tiger fan.

Congrats LSU fans! Big time!

Yes, I was, and I don't know whether it was more fun watching the kings of the Big Ten get made the biotches of the SEC for a ninth time, or reading these posts as my Big Ten pals finally had their eyes opened as to the relative strengths of these two teams.

LSU pulled many of its defensive starters after it was 31-10, so as many people as possible could say they got on the field in the championship. The score could have been much, much worse if Miles had wanted to really embarass the 'eyes.


BTW that has got to be the gayest mascot dude I've ever seen.

I wonder what it's like for one school (OSU) to lose 4 National Championship games to the same conference in 2 years?

Go Steve ... Go Steve ... Go !!!!

SEC 7 - 2 ! Florida was asleep, other than that it was perfect. You can't count on Arkansas because Clinton came from there.

Steve,

It is like the neighborhood bully...(the SEC)...has come on the new kid on the block (the Big 10)...and the Big 10 lands a couple of early shots...followed by the SEC shutting them down ASAP!

Aint no joke....the ESPN crew is predicting that the best 2 in the country next season wont even include the LSU Tigers...but will include SEC greats UF and UGA.

the crowd was much more evenly split than I expected, probably 2/3 to 1/3. I have NEVER seen the Superdome empty out as fast as the O State section did at the end of the game. They quit selling booze in the third quarter, and I think those folks were in need of whiskey.

We had a nice bunch of Ohio guys sitting behind us, had some fun with them and it was interesting asking details about each other's teams, since we don't see them play much and vice versa. One of them got obnoxious as he got drunker and the game went from bad to worse for the Buckeyes, but the rest of them were pretty standup fans.

Took a bunch of pics I'll post tomorrow.

Congrats to LSU!!

It's been a long time since one of our coaches has seen a NC game..... Can't wait for Bo to hit Lincoln, NE on Tuesday!!!

SEC now 7-2 in bowl games, big Ten, 3-5.

LSU has so much dept that they will be a contender for the SEC title next year as well...

LSU is going to get killed by graduation and NFL opt outs. But we have a great crop of sophomores, and this years recruiting class looks to be spectacular. I think next year will be a real come down.....but we'll bounce back with really strong teams in the next two years. If Perriloux can keep his nose clean and play like he's capable of doing, we might have an outside chance at winning the SEC next year, but I doubt it. Just too much talent on Ga. and Fla. and the other top SEC teams to avoid losing probably three games when you're starting a lot of younger players.

What the hell does ESPN known most of them picked OSU to win tonight....

Roy...Hold onto our bet until we get through the NFL games.

You were more than kind to me(sympathy kind) and I want to play it out through the NFL, if you're interested!

Thats all scripted..."they" didn't "pick" anyone...the writers wrote a script that people would talk about.

AP picked the Tigers, too, so USC will have to hold their pity party alone this year. The ESPN website has three articles today all making the point that the SEC is THE football conference, and that the Big Ten is so weak the team that wins it has not been really tested as it would with an SEC schedule.

Yes, a fact completely obvious by the facts on the ground:

1) Tennessee wins after Wisconsin has one of the dumbest play calls of the year in 4th and 1 on the 4 yard line. They lose by 4 points... obviously UW was completely outclassed.

2) Florida comes two goal line fumbles from having over 50 points hung on it by Michigan. Obviously they have no business being on the same field as any SEC team either.

3) Kentucky actually held on to beat Florida State's junior varsity right? And, hey, FSU finished 6th in the ACC...or was it 7th? So they would kill any Big Ten school right?

4) Likewise Auburn completely destroyed Clemson by a whole field goal in OT. And they had to be at least a 4th or 5h place ACC team.

Georgia and Auburn have every right to be a tad bitter. Those folks could have had much better seasons. But in the end they didn't beat tOSU. Or any other top Big Ten school. They played a mediocre opponent in a bowl they probably could have bettered with a bit more luck.

SEC fans need to quit living vicariously through the success of other teams. LSU would be a front running force this past year in any conference, including the Big Ten, Pac-10 or any other. Georgia might have been but we'll never know.

The rest? They need to sit back and let the LSU fans do the bragging because they have done nothing to warrant it.

Will

Kinda goes along with what I said in that other thread. As of last night the SEC had 30 Wins and 34 losses against the Top 25...The Big Can't Count played a total of 30 games against the top 25. That's the reason they are constantly thinking they're world beaters, and why a 2 loss SEC team spanked the "#1 in the nation" tOSU! Same same with last year. The local sports talk has had some national media on this a.m., and the company line seems to be that the SEC is the strongest conference...but even more prevailant is the fact that tOSU has hurt the Big Ten's national perception with extremely weak showings the last 2 years...and it will be a long time before a Big Ten will get the kind of love in the polls that tOSu got this year jumping 7 spots to #1 without playing a game. Look for the Pac 10 to be the darlings next year. Look for UF and UGA to occupy 2 of the top 4 preseason polls. LSU will be hit hard by graduation and NFL defections...we'll get a good look at Mile recruiting and coaching next year. Can't say if Auburn will get any love or not...we do get our "easy schedule" (LSU and UGA at home) next year...we drop UF and pick up UT. But we also go to Morgantown WV in week 2 with a new D Cord, O Cord and QB.

1) What would be really interesting would be a bowl game between Oklahoma and THE Ohio State University sometime.
2) I was disappointed in the "behavioral" penalties that the Buckeyes incurred. (I like to see more class than that.)
3) Does anyone recall the historical significance of the '71 LSU Sun Bowl team?

How about that 7-2 bowl record? by any metric you want to use, any objective observer can only conclude there is one conference that dominates football, and that's the one from which the number one and two teams come, and the number two team didn't even win its division.

Of the AP's top 15 teams at year end, five are from the SEC.

Uh, we beat another overrated Big Ten team that year by a couple of touchdowns....don't know any other significance.

Illinois did a better job of beating Ohio State than LSU.

AND they got creamed by USC


Georgia got ripped off.

No actually what you can see is that LSU has a great team.

The Big Ten played the toughest bowl schedule of any conference in the country. They do more times than not.

Will

Final AP Poll. SEC finishes 1 & 2, and occupies 1/3 of the top 15. Yep, the SEC is average.

1. LSU (60) 12-2 1,620
2. Georgia (3) 11-2 1,515
3. USC (1) 11-2 1,500
4. Missouri 12-2 1,347
5. Ohio State 11-2 1,346
6. West Virginia 11-2 1,342
7. Kansas (1) 12-1 1,303
8. Oklahoma 11-3 1,139
9. Virginia Tech 11-3 1,096
10. Texas 10-3 962
10. Boston College 11-3 962
12. Tennessee 10-4 904
13. Florida 9-4 685
14. Brigham Young 11-2 654
15. Auburn 9-4 648
16. Arizona State 10-3 587
17. Cincinnati 10-3 566
18. Michigan 9-4 508
19. Hawaii 12-1 460
20. Illinois 9-4 443
21. Clemson 9-4 353
22. Texas Tech 9-4 308
23. Oregon 9-4 253
24. Wisconsin 9-4 202
25. Oregon State 9-4 110

Now we can get to the REAL football........go PATS!!!

One of the talking heads here this morning said: "The SEC has no problem winning the BCSCG, our problem is getting there while playing through an SEC schedule"

Back in the old days if a player won Wibledon, he got a bye through the draw the next year and got to rest the entire tourny and then play the guy that won his way through the draw for the championship. The reigning champ got to rest up and play the guy that's just played a week of tennis for all the marbles. That's what tOSU and company get to do...rest all season and play one big game, while the SEC pounds each others heads in for 12 weeks...13 if you win your division...then we get to go play a team that hasn't played in almost 2 months, and didn't play anyone during the season to begin with. And yet...we see the results. There's a reason FL and LSU has spotted tOSU early leads then stormed back to thrash them...tOSU is used to knocking down soft teams early then having them stay down. Hell, that just pissed off UF and LSU!

I doff my chapau to LSU, Miles, and especially Bo Pellini (sp?). More so to the OL and DL...the played smashmouth SEC football...the OL had not been a stregnth for LSU this season. When I saw all those lilly white corn-fed boys on tOSU's OL...I knew it was gonna be a long night for them.

Also noted by many media...as to the SEC vs Big 10 speed...the difference isn't at the skill positions...it's in the trenches...our 245-260lb DE's can run like their 250lb LBs...our 310lb DT's are cat-like quick...our LB's can run with most WR's. It's a different brand of football my non-SEC friends...a different brand.

Do you really, truly believe that crap you write Will? Ohio State had best defense in the country based on the stats and LSU manhandled them at will. How did Ohio State's defensive stats get so good - they played against medicore competition in the Big 10.

Florida last year and LSU this year both limped through the SEC with 1 and 2 losses and lots of close games then proceeded to beat the best from the Big 10, OSU, like a drum. You're living in a fantasy world and I think even you know it.

Nope, the SEC isn't average. They are the top of the heap right now. They haven't always been at the top, nor will they always be at the top. Curious as to why some of the SEC guys seem so fixated on the Big Ten. Is the Big Ten the stick by which college football success is measured?

Up til the last couple of years, the media thought they were the standard by which to judge...last year shut them up pretty good after all that whining about a tOSU/Mich rematch, only to see both of them lose badly in bowls...this year I think sealed the deal as to any remaining bias towards the Big 10.

Congratulations to LSU. The Cornnuts were outclassed and hurt them selves on top of it all.

All though the game is history, the whining and gloating ain't!

The SEC teams better watch out - the Big 11 champ is getting closer to beating the SEC champ! Guess the SEC will have to upgrade their coaching staffs - well, that's already happened at two schools over the past six weeks, so check that one off. Guess they'll have to improve their facilities - well, that's being done on an ongoing basis, such that the elite teams in other conferences are trying to catch up with the mid-level teams in the SEC on facilities. Then there's recruiting - well, guess there's always room for improvement there.

National titles over last 10 years (since BCS started)
4 - SEC (LSU x2, Florida, Tennessee)
2 - Big 12 (Texas, Oklahoma)
2 - ACC (Miami [FL], Florida St)
1 - Pac 10 (SoCal)
1 - Big 11 (tOSU)

Hmmm, that looks like at least twice as many as any other conference over the past ten years. That is a lot more convincing than an isolated game or two here or there.

So why only go back 10 years? If your gonna brag, go back to when it all started and see what conference really has the best football legacy. Man, you SEC guys are almost unbearable with all the trash talk. LSU won and they are the national champs, thats all we need to know.

See that's where you guys are mistaken: I never stated or implied that the Big Ten was the best conference. I merely pointed out that:

1) LSU and Tennessee fans are probably the only ones who can rightly brag about being the best. Because if there is a difference these two teams are where it is at.

2) The Big Ten played a much tougher bowl schedule than did any other conference. So talking to me about bowl record is disingenuous at best. Last year the Big East was undefeated in bowls. Nuff said.

Will

AkMtnHunter,

I only looked at the BCS era, and it happens to be the last 10 years. The conference realignments happened for the most part in the 1990s, so that's another reason the last 10 years is a good timeframe to review. Feel free to look at ancient history if you wish, but lately (during the BCS era) the SEC has been ruling the roost. The French, Italians (Romans), and Greeks fondly reflect on their glory days, too.

I was at the game last night with a sponsor pass. I'm glad I just woke up and see that GA wound up #2 in the AP poll and not USC. Now USC and Pete can shut up.

All I have to say is going into this game there was NO DOUBT that OSU was the best team in the Big10....there was "some" doubt as to whether LSU was the best in the SEC atm against GA etc...and we still whipped em.

I won't even say it's because one team is better. But it's like two different planets. The SEC plays a whole different style of football down here. If a team like OSU played football like say Florida did in the 90's or LSU now - they might have a good team but I'm not sure it would do well in the Big 10. Just like playing like OSU obviously wouldn't do anything for you in the SEC.

Let's not forget in the last 2 seasons OSU is 15-1 in Big10 play......and 0-2 in BCS games - and 0-2 by a lot.

Congratulations Les Miles - bonus award of the year. Got to beat OSU (he's a Michigan man) AND a National Title. Congrats.

Oh and Kirk Herbstreet (past OSU man) can stick THIS in his pipe and smoke it!

No big deal really, i've never really been much into college football since i've never lived where it was popular, other than Spokane Washginton and that was a long time ago. Congrats again to LSU for winning the big game.

How did Georgia get ripped off?

I say they did, but they didn't...afterall tOSU moved up from #7 to #1 without playing a game...including leapfrogging #4 UGA who didn't move up at all after not playing a game...LSU moved up by winning and WVU losing. Not sure how you move tOSU up while not playing but not move UGA up. Fact is though, UGA had their shot...and they had the misfortune of losing 2 games like LSU did, BUT they lost to the wrong teams, namely UT. UGA will get their shot next year...they'll be the fave in the east. May start out pre-season #1 overall.

The Big 10 also played one of, if not the weakest regular season schedules. That's why the mighty OSU defense was ranked so high.

Ill add this...if that were to happen next year...tOSU wouldn't jump anyone...it was done this year because "it just wouldn't be right" to have a 2 loss team (any conference) ahead of a 1 loss Big Ten team...because the Big Ten is that good!" NOT! WVU and UGA would have given LSU all they could handle...not saying they'd beat LSU, but either would have made it a game.

I also see the Big 12 occupying 4 of those slots.....don't see much of the Pac 10 in top 15, however.

It's because we get the Big 10 crammed down our throats all year by the media, and various members of this forum. I heard something interesting this morning on ESPN radio......the bottom 6 teams in the Big 10 had exactly 0 players drafted last year in the NFL draft. The NFL rookie defensive player of the year was from......Ol' Miss. Georgia alone has had 29 defensive players drafted into the NFL in last 5 years. As has been said here many times, the SEC, top to bottom has superior talent to any other conference, anywhere. Fact.

First off, USC won 2 NC's in the last 10 years. At least make your list accurate.
Second, 10 years is far too small of a time period to claim dominance by conferences. The prior 10 years the SEC only won 1 NC, does that mean the SEC sucked during that time frame?

They must have played a tough bowl schedule to have lost so many.

The Bowl Challenge Cup

Conf./#Teams /W-L/%

Sun Belt 1 1-0 1.000
Mountain West 5 4-1 .800
SEC 9 7-2 .777
Pac-10 6 4-2 .667
Big 12 8 5-3 .625
Big East 5 3-2 .600
Big Ten 8 3-5 .375
Conference USA 6 2-4 .333
ACC 8 2-6 .250
WAC 4 1-3 .250
Independents 1 0-1 .000
MAC 3 0-3 .000

The same could be said about the SEC.....

Again:

SEC champ, runner up, and 4th place teams
PAC-10 champ
ACC runner up

Even if all the conferences were equal, which they ain't, no one else even came close to the quality of opponents that the Big Ten played. But, they didn't win a couple they needed to. Wisconsin pooped out and tOSU embarrassed us again. Illinois looked like the inexperienced newbys they are and played woeful.

But aside from LSU and Tennessee fans I say no SEC team really did anything to warrant rampant bragging. I mean the the number 9 finishing Big Ten team played a higher ranking team than all but one SEC school.

Will

That's my point Jim. UGA didn't get ripped off at all.........they didn't win their conference, that's on them, not anyone else.

Interesting definition of "fact". If putting players in the NFL is the ultimate measuring stick, then the ACC must be tops since the #1 and #2 teams in terms of NFL players are ACC teams. In fact even Ohio State has more current NFL players than the top SEC team.

The Big Can't Count's horrificly tough bowl matchups:

Purdue eeks by mighty Cent. Mich. 51-48

BC beats Mich St. 24-21

PSU beats a 7-5 TA&M that just fired their HC 24-17

Okie State beats up on Indiana 49-33

Tenn handles Wisc in a good matchup 21-17

Mich. sends out Carr by beating "a good Gator team that ended with 4 losses" in a game that really wasn't as close as the score indicates. 41-35

USC embarasses the Big Ten by thrashing their Rose Bowl opponent Illinois 49-17

LSU whips the living $hit out of the Big Ten champ tOSU 38-24

True to Big Ten form...in the "bigger games" against ranked opponents...they were 1-4. 3-5 overall.

I said, TOP TO BOTTOM, meaing every team included....learn how to read.

Thats and interesting "twist of facts"...the SEC, by a wide margin, has more NFL players than any conference.

You have to be talking about bowl schedules only. The schedules each Big 10 team played was pathetic at best.

The Southeastern Conference had 263 players on the 2007 National Football League opening day active rosters, which led all conferences.

The Atlantic Coast Conference was second with 238 players, followed by the Big Ten with 234 players, Pac-10 with 183 players, Big 12 with 176 players and the Big East with 84 players.

Among SEC schools, Georgia was first with 37 former players on NFL rosters, followed by Tennessee with 36, LSU with 33, Florida with 31 and Auburn with 30. Alabama had 21 players on NFL rosters, while South Carolina had 19, Ole Miss and Mississippi State had 17 each, Arkansas had 12, Kentucky six and Vanderbilt with five.

The SEC had five of its schools with 30-or-more-players on NFL rosters. No other conference had two.

Nationally, Miami (Fla.) leads with 46 former players on NFL rosters, followed by Ohio State with 44, Florida State with 41, Tennessee with 36 and Georgia with 35.

The lists do not include players who were not on opening day rosters and since been activated

No twist. He specified a team (Georgia) as an example and made an example of the bottom 6 teams in the Big ten having none. His post inferred that the number of players by SEC's teams in the NFL caused them to be superior. The Sec has more teams then some conference so an overall player count isn't comparing apples to apples is it?

Just pointing out that "facts" can be spun any way you want them and that pointing to players in the NFL doesn't necessary prove SEC teams are the best of they can't even win the top 3 spots in said category. If you take off the SEC homer glasses, you'd see you guys are as bad as the Big Ten guys at BS.

Worse... at least I try to be fair. :p

Will

USC won 2 NC's in the last 10 years??? WTF are you smoking

Furthermore, if one looks at the number Violater just posted. The per team players for the SEC, in the NFL works out to 21.91 per team while the Big Ten placed 21.27 players in the NFL.

And that qualifies as a wide margin in Alabama? You did realize the SEC has more teams than the Big Ten right? You don't really think that 263 players from 12 teams is significantly more than 234 players from 11 teams do you?

See how easy statistics can be molded to ones usage?

Everyone knows I'm a Big 10 guy, but, i have to put it where it is at, even with the more teams in the conference, the percentages are actually pretty close. Les

some statistics are pretty simple, like 38-24.

Like 7-2, versus 3-5 bowl records.

Like 5 of the top 15 are SEC schools, including both number one and number two.


You can argue history all you want, but this year, it ain't close.

Might want to look shyt up before you look foolish.

2003 was a split National Title. LSU won the Coaches, USC won the AP.

Just like Michigan/Nebraska in 1997, Miami/Washington in 1991 and Georgia Tech/Colorado in 1990, USC/Alabama in 1978.

USC then won in 2004 as well. That's two.

USC has 1 NC, earned in 2004. And didn't Bama win the NC in '92? That would make at least two NC for the SEC in that 10 year time frame. (Florida in '96)

Yeah, that's the loser whine story.....The BCS is the national championship, the teams participate on that basis.

Mr. Penguin, which schedule are you repeatedly referring to? Bowl or season schedule?

Wrong. LSU won the BCS, not just the coaches poll. USC got a share of it, but not the real deal. Since '98, the crystal BCS trophy is what matters. 10 years, 10 trophies, 10 national champions.

which, of course is exactly what the pretenders would be saying if they had won it......its a loser whine

There's no spinning of "fact". You highlighted this:

Then attempted to cherry pick some 2 or three teams with more NFL players than any one SEC team with this nugget:


The ACC teams you speak of are FSU and Miami. tOSU has traditionally been the lead in talent in the Big 10 for many years...and if not the lead, then one of the top 2, maybe 3 on a bad year.

Like Les posted...5 SEC teams with 30 or more former players on NFL rosters where no other conference had more than 2...that AGAIN speaks to the DEPTH of talent in the SEC. On any given year, tOSU, Mich, Texas, Oklahoma, and USC may be the best team in the nation...NONE will have to play against equal talent more than one game a year...MAYBE 2. The trend here is to cherry pick a game or team to illustrate you Big Ten pimp's points. I concede that on any given year the best team in the land may not be an SEC team. Top to bottom, every year, the most talented, the most wins over ranked teams, the most hard fought schedule to win a conference title, and compete for a BCS title will be played by SEC teams. As of last night, one more measure of the SEC grew. What to Phil Fulmer, Spurrier, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Les Miles have in common? They are 5...count them 5 active SEC HC's who have won national titles. No other conference has more than 2 if IIRC. And Tuberville isn't even in that list though he went undefeated in 2004. If UGA plays like it should next year Richt may make it 6.

Its all in fun boys!

For the 2003 Seaon LSU won the BCS Championship game, yet ther API voted USC #1. The BCS I believe has been the Main Championship the last 10 years....And LSU is the first team to win it twice and that is fact...

Bowl season.

What did I learn about the SEC?

Tennessee has a very good passing attack and matched up very well against Wisconsin... a game that cost the job of the UW defensive coordinator and offensive line coach BTW.

Florida has a lot of skill position talent but really needs to do some work in the trenches. The loss to Michigan could have been worse.

LSU was a better team than tOSU. And that they have the ability to put pressure on an offense without getting burned deep. Their fans who kept telling us they were decimated by injuries were probably right. This team would win the Big Ten conference. No doubt in my mind.

Arkansas was outplayed easily by a team I underrated. They have some work to do.

Kentucky is not very good. They struggled with a mediocre team that had 36 suspended players. 36!

Miss State has the heart of a lion but don't carry many weapons to the fight.

Auburn is a quality team that will be much better next season when they switch to the SO. But for this year it must have been frustrating.

Georgia? Didn't learn a thing. As I stated at the outset, Hawaii should have been put in a category with Central Michigan. They are a mediocre team even if you do have to like them.

The best conference? Maybe. But there are a lot of teams who have nothing to do with it if they are. A lot of the SEC teams are very beatable. A few of them would be top shelf in any conference. But most top finishing teams in most conferences could say the same.

Will

Oh, dear gawd. The BCS and coaches poll were one and the same in 2003. There was no separate "BCS title". If you think that USC thinks it's 2003 title is lesser than it's 2004 title, you need to step away from the bong.

Auburn fans were praying for an AP split in 2004. You think they wouldn't claim they won the NC if they had got it?

Show me one major sports source that doesn't recognize them as co-champions. There isn't one. Just less than knowledgeable LSU fans.

Capitol 1 Bowl
2002: Auburn 13 Penn State 9
2003: Georgia 34 Purdue 27 (OT)
2004: Iowa 30 LSU 25
2005: Wisconsin 24 Auburn 10
2006: Wisconsin 17 Arkansas 14
2007: Michigan 41 Florida 35

Outback Bowl
2002: Michigan 38 Florida 30
2003: Iowa 37 Florida 17
2004: Georgia 24 Wisconsin 21
2005: Florida 31 Iowa 24
2006: Penn State 20 Tennessee 10
2007: Tennessee 21 Wisconsin 17


Hmm Big 10 7 win to SEC 5 wins

Please explain how the SEC is a better conference all around!

The Big Ten is NOT weak
Thanks to another subpar performance by Ohio State in the BCS Champsionship Game, all we will hear for the entire offseason is how weak/slow/unathletic the Big Ten Conference is. Ohio State at least showed up in this year's game, unlike the embarrassment that was last year's BCS Title Game, but in the end the Buckeyes were done in by mistakes and a great LSU team took advantage. LSU was obviously the best team Ohio State had played all year, but the Buckeyes were not as overmatched as some are making it sound. The game basically came down to turnovers, a blocked field goal, and a roughing the punter penalty on OSU in the 3rd quarter. With that being said, hats off to LSU. The Tigers took advantage of every Buckeye mistake and made OSU's nation-best defense look average. LSU was the best team on the field last night, and the SEC was the better overall conference this season. But the SEC vs Big Ten debate is not as one-sided as the media makes it seem. Let's take a look at recent bowl results between the two conferences to show how even both conference actually are.

This year the SEC finished with a 2-1 record against the Big Ten in bowl games. LSU defeated Ohio State 38-24 last night, Tennessee beat Wisconsin 21-17 in the Outback Bowl, and Michigan won the Capital One bowl over Florida 41-35. Last season the Big Ten won 2 of 3 from the SEC with Ohio State's loss to Florida being the SEC's only bowl victory over the Big Ten.

Who are you talking to? I've been pro SEC and LSU winning this for weeks. I just can't take the BS that emanates from people wearing conference colored glasses on both sides. You look small and petty claiming your title is anything better than USC's when everyone outside LSU land recognizes them as equal.

I cheered LSU all night. Be a gracious winner and stop trying to make enemies of those that generally back your arguments but won't when you are wrong.

You're right. I mentally blocked out 1992. LOL

So the SEC won 2 in that ten year period, while the Big 12 won 3 and what amounts to the present day ACC won 5.

USC won in 2003 and 2004. Every single major sports source recognizes USC's AP title in 2003 as co-champion.

USC won in 2003 and 2004, that's 2 as well.

Personally I have been shocked at how civil most of the Tennessee fans have been after winning. They have played two really tough games against the Big Ten in 2 consecutive bowl games and seem to believe they have accomplished something when they win against us.

Never did understand why anyone in their right minds tries to tear down opponents they have beaten. Then again, although I love the game I do not measure my manhood by how my teams do on saturday.

Will

I agree Penguin. My team, which has a history of winning none of the SEC teams can touch in resent history, sucks right now. Do I sit here and thump my chest and try to tear down the SEC? No, I've backed them in the SEC/ Big Ten arguments all year and have said repeatedly that I think it's the best conference right now.

That being said, that is the annoying thing about SEC fans, they absolutely can never return the favor or be impartial. It's SEC or nothing. Back when UM, FSU and Nebraska we dominant, SEC fans just thumped their chest and blamed their schedules and pointed to winning the SEC conference as the greatest achievement in college football. They are the most insufferable fans of any conference bar none. They are totally incapable of carrying on a discussion of college football that does not pertain to an SEC team.

you non-sec boys have got to give it a rest.
please.
snickering here in the south ...

sec has won four out of the the first 10 bcs championship games. the big 12 has won 2. i guess you could say the pac 10 (usc) has won 2.

not even close ...
chortling here in the south.

truly, all the joshing is in good, er, fun there peng.

Then again, although I love the game I do not measure my manhood by how my teams do on saturday.
_______________________________________________

You obviously have already forgotten the hundreds of replies on your "Penguin Picks"threads!!

nor i, isaac.

really, i am joshing.

Well, neither of my alma maters has ever won a national title in football or basketball. I think WVU won a few rifle championships and Wisconsin has won a few hockey titles. So I kind of just followed them and didn't worry too much about conference strength and whatnot.

Only reason I got sucked into this one was because some of the fans who are doing the chest beating really don't have teams that warrant it. :p

I prayed that God would not allow tOSU to get to the title game this year but for naught... they screwed the pouch again. Tressel is in my doghouse again too. Please anyone but tOSU next season.

Will

My manhood has remained unscathed... it is my pride as a prognosticator that has suffered 'shrinkage'.

Will

Ditto here!

Nooooo. The BCS is not the same as the coachs poll. In '03 the BCS consisted of the AP, the Coaches Poll, and the average of the computer polls (7 I think?). Same as now except that the AP was replaced with the Harris Poll, pretty much making the AP irrevelant now as far as I'm concerned. I promise if USC snap their fingers and trade that AP title for the BCS they would in a heart beat. They'd be stupid not to. Of course Auburn would have been thrilled to get the AP title in '04. In '03 when I thought LSU was going to get left out of the big game I was praying that we would luck out and get the AP title because its better than nothing. But its not as nice as the big crystal football. As far as major sports sources, every article I've read today has said LSU is the first to repeat in the BCS era.

Also, this isn't an anti USC rant. They were ranked #1 going into the bowls in '03 and earned the AP title.

For the record, my conference is the Big 12, my team the TTU Red Raiders, 5-1 in the last 6 bowl games. It's not my life, I just enjoy good football. The top couple of teams in most of the major conferences are competitive with the top teams in other major conferences. Top to bottom the competition is better in the SEC. Everyone knows it, some continue to deny it.

You're missing the point. The BCS and the polls that comprise it are a selection system, not a trophy or title. The Coaches poll and AP remained the titles bestowed upon the winner(s). The Coaches poll agreed to be tied to the winner of the BCS selected teams. There was no separate BCS and Coaches title. The Coaches poll IS the BCS. They sponsor the trophy.
The AP did not and later left the BCS alliance because it saw the BCS as a contrived mess.

As to the bolded. Where did I say LSU didn't win in 2003? it's a co-champion just like the other splits I referenced. LSU and USC were co-champions, period. Like I said, find a major sports news source that doesn't treat them as co-champions. What you think about the AP isn't really relevant is it? No more than if I claimed that Washington's CNN poll win in 1991 was lesser. It's what the rest of the country thinks and since the country receives it's sports news through members of the AP, the AP will remain relevant.

SEC has won 4 national Championships in the last 2 years.

LSU = Lockdown State University.

Dude, you're smoking crack....I watched the BCS trophy get handed to Nick Sabin in 2003 from about a hundred feet away. It wasn't the coaches poll trophy, it was the big crystal football BCS trophy.

So did I.

http://images.dawgsports.com/images/admin/Saban_with_crystal_football.jpg

Well, living in Ohio, I prefer to look at the silver lining:

Kentucky beat the National Champion!

Following that logic, there are then at least 2 SEC teams that could beat the best the Big Ten has to offer..........

The BCS and Coaches poll are intertwined. Why do you think their is no BCS final ranking AFTER the bowls? Because it's a selection process. The final Coaches poll is a formality that is tied to the results of the BCS Championship game. There is no separate Coaches/BCS title, period.

If you LSU fans want to keep running your mouths, then cough up the evidence I have asked for several times. Show me major sports/news sources that considers LSU the ONLY national title or national champion of 2003.

Better yet, lets wager on this. Box of bullets to the person that can either prove that USC is considered a co-champion or not considered the national title/champions of 2003, which has been the claim by several.

Put up or shut up time, who's in?

Do I win if I can provide proof that the NCAA ALSO considers Oklahoma co champion in 2003 when LSU beat the crap out them, splitting the championship 3 ways....?

My point is USC signed onto the BCS by the fact that they are in a BCS conference. By being in a BCS conference - there conference got together and voted that the BCS will decide their championship.....no one even thought about a split championship till USC bitched about it because they got left out....how convenient.

Also according to the NCAA offical list of past champions in NCAA div I after 2005 they quit listing the poll championships - ONLY the BCS Champion.

...Poor old OSU! Nine matchups with SEC teams and not one victory over them. I remember when teams like Michigan were perenial power house teams, but these days the SEC seems to corner the market.
....After this years mismatched games maybe it is time to reconsider a playoff system. It'd be more fair to the players than to end a season with as many questions as answers on who the top team ought to be.
....Congrtulations to LSU they played smack mouth football,played it fair, and dominated a team who'd not been seasoned against the tougher schedules of an SEC team.

BTW Steve. I'd like you to highlight what part of my statement you feel I am "smoking crack" on. No attorney double talk or semantics. Show me where I said that LSU didn't get the crystal football.

Who can name the 6 Co-Champions in 1981....or the 4 in 1993....or the (2) in 2005...that's right according the NCAA USC split their championship in 2005...


Who did Ohio State split their national championship with in 2002 according to the NCAA official list?


My point is you can claim split title all you want...but here in the "real world" LSU got it done this year and in 2003.

Nope. The NCAA lists BCS if the AP and Coaches are in agreement. They list a separate "Consensus National Champions" when there is a split title:

http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/history




But according to the LSU fans, no one recognizes USC in 2003 as the National Champion. Guess the NCAA is wrong as well.

Check again.

OFFICAL NCAA.ORG listing of past CHAMPIONS in Div 1 football.

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html

2003
LSU: BCS, Billingsley, Colley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, Massey, NFF, Sagarin, Seattle Times, USA/ESPN
Oklahoma: Berryman
Southern California: AP, Eck, Matthews, NY Times

2002
Ohio State: AP, BCS, Berryman, Billingsley, Colley, DeVold, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, Massey, NFF, NY Times, Seattle Times, Sporting News, USA/ESPN, Wolfe
Southern California: Dunkel, Matthews, Sagarin


1981
Clemson: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, Litkenhous, Matthews, National Championship Foundation*, NFF, NY Times, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI
Nebraska: National Championship Foundation*
Penn St.: Dunkel
Pittsburgh: National Championship Foundation*
Texas: National Championship Foundation*
Southern Methodist: National Championship Foundation*


NCAA.ORG is the OFFCIAL site of the NCAA - the actual organization that schools belong to - the same that decides who is eligible etc...

NCAASPORTS.COM is a PR deal.

Only the AP and UPI/USAToday have been recognized nationally as the Mythical National Title for 50 some odd years. That part of the NCAA site just lists the various polls and who they selected. Hell Miami won like 8 National Titles if you count those lesser polls but no school have recognized anything but AP and UPI/CNN to claim the National Title for decades.

Notice on the official NCAA Sports site that they do NOT list those lesser polls and only list the AP/CNN splits.

http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/history

Read my edit on the ncaasports.com website as opposed to the offical NCAA website.

USC would have a claim - as well as Georgia if they were not a signer to the BCS National Championship agreement. It's like running for president and agreeing to what the voters say - then claiming you won anyway.....

Gawd, it kills me to see the Bucks go down. I hate saying it, but the best team won, and no, it wasn't my Buckeyes. We'll get 'em next year!

A PR deal, huh? I guess every other sports/news source is a PR deal as well. No one considers those lesser polls a national title. No one, not the schools, not any news source.

Guys, I've gotta tell you - it is so tremendously enjoyable to just watch each football game that comes along for the great sport that it is without getting all het up over this NATIONAL CHAMPION stuff, either for the current year or when the Israelites played the Egyptians. Just one voice crying in the wilderness. Best to all, John

Dude, your argument is going nowhere. What does Georgia have to do with USC? How does the NCAA listing more than one poll next to USC in 2003 prove that USC didn't win the National Title?

What is your point? If we went back to January 2004, what did the USAToday, CNN, Fox, CBS, NBC, ABC, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Sporting News etc., etc., etc., say as to who won the National Title? Did they say it was a split title between USC and LSU or did they say only LSU won. Did they even mention any poll except the Coaches and AP.

This is a very, very simple question that you are trying to muddy the waters on.

No, what you said was: There was no separate "BCS title".

That's BS, because the BCS has the coaches poll as a component and therefore cannot possibly be the same thing. You also said its not a title or a trophy, but it is both, and I watched it handed to another LSU coach last night. I don't know if you're, like, in some sort of USC menage a trois with Musberger and John David, but I am just not feeling the love for LSU that all good citizens should have after their epic ass kicking of the mighty buckeyes.

Who by the way have gayest mascot in division I. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

There is no separate title. How can you disagree with that?
The coaches poll is contractually obligated to vote the winner of the BCS championship game #1 and thus National Champion. Period. Fact.

The AP was a component as well BUT unlike the Coaches poll was NOT contractually obligated to vote the winner #1 and thus was free to give it's trophy to whom it chose as it did with USC.

There is no separate trophy. Did you see a Coaches poll trophy handed over as well? That was the claim above that there were two separate titles, BCS and Coaches and only those count. I Said there are not. That is the fact. There is no crack smoking and I don't even like USC. But I do know there were two Co-Champions in 2003.

Oh Oh, Know what the name of the crystal football officially is, Steve & Co.,?

AFCA Coaches' National Championship Trophy

http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=289347

Like I said (repeatedly), there is no separate BCS and Coaches trophy. The Coaches (AFCA) Sponsor the trophy and are contractually obligated to vote and provide it to the winner of the BCS selected championship game. There are two National Championship Trophies given out each year, the AP and the Coaches.

Apperently you all watched a different game than I did last night.

Not taking anything away from LSU, as they were the better team overall last night, but the Buckeyes beat themselves as much as LSU did. Last year OSU was totally dominated. They were outmatched in almost every aspect of the game. That wasn't the case last night. If any of you think that LSU would have won given the same penalties and turnovers that OSU amassed, you would be wrong. Mentally, LSU was far superior last night. As I said, they deserved to win. But physically, OSU held there own. Hell, they outgained LSU. They just made stupid mistake after stupid mistake. They were not convincingly physically beaten, like Florida did last year.

The end result is the same, but last night, OSU did 50% of the beating of themselves. Still a great win by a deserving LSU team, but not the totally dominant performance that you SEC stargazers are thinking you saw.

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html

This is where I looked shyt up.

My favorite team, OU, claims 7 National Championships, but if we were like USC we could claim a bunch more.

You have yet to answer what you are smokin

And what's it say smartass?



Really, show me where Oklahoma won the AP or UPI/USAtoday and doesn't claim it.

Oops, you just stepped on your Johnson. Your 1974 Title was an AP split title.



This would be where you throw in the towel.

Funny as hell. Even the USAToday which sponsors the Coaches Poll and would be the one source that I could see hesitating to call USC the Co-National Champion in 2003, did just that.



http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...eason-outlook_x.htm?loc=interstitialskip

It's amazing when you have people in checkmate and they keep trying to avoid the inevitable.

You talk a lot of smack out of your nether regions to support a team and conference that's lost 2 title games in a row.....

4 games in a row for OSU and national championships.

I caught the radio broadcast. At first I thought Ohio State was going to thump 'em, man did that change in a hurry. Oh, Brent Musberger did the play by play and should have had an Ohio State sweater or jacket sent to him, he was awful. This from a guy (me) that really does'nt follow college football, but the bias was pretty evident.

Just shows how clueless you are. Go to the start of this thread and read. I'm hardly pro OSO or Big Ten. In fact the Ohio State fans think I hate their school.

After reading your posts in the Georgia thread and here I am convinced that you are about 19 years old and as naive as the day is long. I don't argue with kiddies, so let's just ignore eachother.

what a weak rationalization for an ass whooping......reminds me of Picketts comment when asked why his charge had failed at Gettysburgh......."I think the Yankees had something to do with it."

The Buckeyes were destroyed and humiliated, and only got to keep the score differential at 14 because Miles took his foot off the gas, ran the ball, and let almost every senior at least play a down. The Buckeyes ALSO made a fair number of mistakes. But they were dead meat, from the time this matchup was picked.

But why am I not surprised that the Big Ten fantasists, once their "we'll kick you ass" scenario didn't quite pan out, have now switched to "you didn't really kill us, we committed suicide". Kind of pathetic.

You all know, that sports ribbing should be in good fun. Hell, it's only a game.

Sometimes you eat crow, sometimes you don't. Just that OSU is full of feathers right now.......grin

Anybody remember the 1962 Rose Bowl when Minnesota got to go twice in a row (against the then rule in the then Big 10) because the faculty (whatever on earth they have to do with college football) at what was then called Ohio State voted not to go because the trip would interfer with classes?

No it's not a BS argument. What did I say that's not true? Yes LSU seriously beat OSU, but you guys are trying to make it into something that it wasn't. OSU was outcoached and outplayed, but it was not a dominant physical performance. Last year against Florida was a dominant physical performance, OSU was absolutely stuffed. That wasn't the case this year. OSU moved the ball well, they just made a ton of really stupid mistakes. Dropping TD passes, then failing to capitalize, keeping LSU drives going by stupid/boneheaded personal fouls when they had them stopped, etc, etc.

Yes, LSU thouroughly beat OSU, just quit trying to make it into something that it was not.

The local sports show guy, Billy Packer's son, is a huge southern football guy. He had some really interesting comments yesterday when Herbstreit was on his show.

He said that Ohio State's biggest problem was between their ears. He maintains that tOSU has some real studs on their team but they are mentally mind screwed by all of this matchup stuff. And that it will be worse next season.

He and Herbstreit both agreed that the Big Ten needed to stop getting hammered in the biggest bowls and that the SEC teams were emotionally tougher though not across the board. They pointed out that although LSU was surprised a bit in the first part of the game they never panicked. They waited for the game to turn and then played from there.

Surprisingly though, they both agreed that the Big Ten was better this year than last. That there are some teams that are turning the corner, Michigan State, Illinois, and so on. And that Michigan switching to the Spread option and Penn State and Ohio State probably returning to it is changing the conference.

But until those teams step up a little more that the conference would suffer. One interesting thing they both noted was that the criticism leveled against the Big Ten could be leveled at any conference not named the SEC the last couple years.

Not sure I agree with all of it, but a lot of what we see now is hubris. I was hoping the Big Ten would avoid the title game this year because of all of the young teams at the top. Not to be. We'll have to listen to the insane criticism coming from the likes of Alabama and Kentucky fans for the rest of the year.

Will

Coincidentally, the Buckeyes again allowed five sacks � just as they did against Florida last year. They also lost three turnovers � two interceptions and a fumble � while forcing just one.

Ohio State surrendered five touchdowns; the Buckeyes had given up 11 offensive touchdowns all season.


Seems pretty dominate to me...

Look, I'll I'm trying to say is that OSU was not shutdown by LSU. You take away their stupid mistakes and they would have been neck and neck. That was not the case last year. Last year they got their asses kicked. Florida totally shut them dowm. LSU didn't do that this year. OSU outgained LSU. They had a total yards advantage for most of the game, so it's not like they tacked on a bunch of yards at the end of the game to take the edge in this. They just played stupidly. They made mental mistake after mental mistake. I am not nor have I been trying to take anything away from LSU. They were clearly the better team that night. But, to say that LSU was so far dominant that OSU couldn't of kept up with them, is not true. Take away OSU's stupid mistakes and it was a neck to neck game. If LSU had commited the same mistakes that OSU did, they would have lost too.

I wonder if Tressel hunts with a hot chamber?

Look on the bright side.

You boys have an away game against USC on September 13. If you can weather this summer's bile you have a chance at redemption. If you lose there then at least you know that another title game is not in the cards.

But you won't have to wait until the end of the year to shut everyone up. Just till the second week of the season.

Will

0-9 vs the SEC is pretty much getting your assed consistently kicked......

Sheeyout, we beat everyone when it doesn't mean much!

Ol' Musk-Burger and Herbstreit will be love wrestling over that one!!

I, for one, am glad that we are playing a top 5 program (like we usually do, we couldn't help it that a usually strong Washington sucked this year) during the regular season. Course with our luck lately, we will probably beat USC, then they will go 3-10 or something like that

Yeah, I have had a some fun at tOSU expense but if asked honestly I'd say that you guys took it in the shorts this season.

Not through anyone's fault, and certainly not your own. It just worked out that way. Michigan and Wisconsin woefully underperformed in testing you. This was to be the year you guys prepared for another run not the one where you went into it.

And tbh, you shouldn't have been there. But everyone else kept falling down and it thrust tOSU right back into the pressure cooker. WVU and Missouri and Texas and Oklahoma and USC and Oregon and everyone else within shotgun range of a title shot just plain fell down... and left you holding the bag. If any of those other guys got there they'd have got the same thing you did.

But they probably wouldn't be the butt of jokes for another year.

Will

A usually strong Washington? Are you kidding me. The season schedules the Big 10 played this year was pathetically weak, and it didn't get any stronger with the conference schedules. The whole Big 10 didn't play anyone in the top 5 this year until the end. As a matter of fact, they didn't play anyone in the top 20. You and Mr. Penguin are killing us with this "tough scheduale" stuff.

Oh yeah, by the way 257_Roy, how do you like your Crow?

You're out of line.

I haven't mentioned schedule strength one time. You are either intentionally mischaracterizing it or you haven't read one thing I've said.

Will

You've mentioned several times in the last few days in your posts about the Big 10 playing the toughest schedules (search and look it up). I've asked you twice if you mean bowl schedule or season schedule and you haven't answered. So which one is it? The Big 10 plays a tough bowl schedule and gets it handed to them, plays a weak season schedule and wins. Not too hard to figure.

I had it prepared

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different ways, for your information!

Well, just what in the hell did you think I was talking about when I stated the obvious?

I said the Big Ten played:

1) SEC champs, runner up, and 4th place team
2) PAC-10 champ
3) ACC runner up

Did you think it was a big coincidence and that they ALSO played these exact same teams in the bowl games?

I figured that if you were reading my posts you would have known I was talking about the bowl lineup.

Just answer the question and don't ignore it. If I stated something as stupid as that I"d be pissed too.

From yesterday:





Now are you telling me you read those posts and still didn't know what I meant?

No, you were looking to pile on.

Will

JGRaider=SEC Moonbat

Penguin= CFB realist

257 Roy= Upset for another year

257 = too drunk to remember much of the title game.....have another beer, fella.

JG,

I already posted it all regarding schedule in another thread. The final tally was:

Big 10 played 30 games against Top 25 teams, and went 11-19.

SEC played 64 games against Top 25 teams and won 30 of them.

The SEC won as many games against ranked teams as the Big 10 played and that with only 1 more team. Our winnin percentage was 10% better too. The shame of it is...tOSU is a very talented football team, and Tressel a great coach...but when you're constantly playing patsies all year long you get soft. They play teams that know they have no chance to win and lay down after one quarter. The worst SEC teams...because of the attitude about football here...the worst teams go in to games with the mentality of at least making the other team earn the win, and paying for it dearly in blood sweat and tears. You cannot take a single SEC game for granted because the worst teams on a good day can beat the best team on a bad day. All things being equal...they can at least hurt you. And then there's the games between powers. Auburn vs LSU 2006 was one of the most punishing games I can ever recall. Auburn won 7-3 and wasn't physically right for 3 weeks after. You can't be prepared to play a team like LSU when you've not faced anything even remotely like them all season even if you have great talent and coaching. tOSU took a 10 point early lead...but mentally they weren't prepared to defend that lead.

THIS is smashmouth SEC Football!

Not hardly, Bub.

I did have a few drinks, and I'm not much of a drinker anymore. But, I was barely drunk, let alone too drunk to remember. As a point of reference, I got out of bed at 4:30 the next morning and felt fine other than being a little tired.

Had to bring this back up to see if I am correct. My (ever-weaker) memory tells me that it was the last what we used to call major college (D-I?) team that was all-white. Can anyone verify the truth of that?

Penguin, all most all SEC games this year LSU used a zone defense to cover the fasrer SEC recievers, but agaisnt OSU, LSU locked thier corners up man to man on OSU's recievers and OSU couldn't out run LSU to get open. The man to man coverage allowed LSU to pin their ears back and blitz at will... This shut the OSU offense down.. ON 3rd and goal at the one Wells was droped at the 5 by his own offensive linemand that was knocked in the back field... LSU is both rough, tuff and fast...

Lockdown State University

280, did you notice LSU played and beat five of the AP Top 15 teams. And USC didn't play any of them? What a joke they are.....sorry, Brent.

A good friend sent this to me earlier today ... don't know if any of you have seen it yet ... but I like it a lot ... (grin)




ps. I did have a good time meeting and having a drink or two with some tOSU fans ... it's all in good fun, right?...

oh mercy, that's a rough visual joke.
(snork)

Does anyone legitimately think that if OSU played in the SEC they would be anymore than an average SEC team? I think several of this years SEC teams would beat OSU most of the time.....and essentially any SEC team could beat them on a given weekend. That's what makes the SEC so tough.

I think someone brought up the point, that if OSU was down here in the SEC, they would be recruiting from the same basic talent pool as all of us other southern schools ... which would even things up a bit ... I understand that sentiment, and agree with it ...

However, if OSU was to become part of the SEC, but stay where they are, recruit from their normal pool, and simply play their conference games against the SEC teams, they would be a little above average most of the time, and sometimes up at the top ...

OSU is not a bad or weak team/school ... but they are not world beaters either ... I also believe, that if OSU played in the SEC year in, year out, they would modify their style of offense/defense, and start recruiting a little differently so that they'd be more competitive with their conference foes ...

but the funny thing about that is, if they would have to modify their play style, to bring it UP to the level of the SEC, that alone speaks volumes to me regarding the general strength of the SEC vs. the Big 10 ...

They play the way they play because of who they are playing.

This was a rebuilding year for OSU. They will be in the big game again next year for I think the 4th time (BCS).

WGM;

That's probably the best take on it, across the board, as can be said or seen.

If they are, it will be (again) because the Big Can't Count is much overrated and tOSU's schedule is rather weak.

Here we go again...

Yep...

3 appearances and a 1-2 record. Not too bad at that level of play. Too bad they had to play 4 quarters.

Yes there schedule was fairly easy this year. They were the premier Big Ten team and they played the best that the Big Ten had to offer. Their big out of conference game was against Washington, which usually fields a pretty good team but they were down this year.

Next year they play USC I beleive at USC. They usually schedule an out of conference game against a big time program, they played Texas for a couple of years. This weak ass schedule crap just doesn't hold any water. You would have to look real hard to find another team that consistently plays an out of conference team that is stronger than the one that OSU consistently plays.

I would beg to differ, but don't really feel like debating the issue ... (grin)

actually ... let me rephrase ...

your 'out of conference' schedule might be more difficult than most... I can't say ... but the point I was trying to make, is that a couple of games out of conference that can increase your yearly schedule that much, means you don't play that tough a schedule in conference ...

I think more highly of teams that have to go 7 games in a row (basically) of really tough play, than those that coast a lot to get to a couple of out of conference games that are tough ...

It ain't your out-of-conference..... well, at least when you start playing schools that aren't Akron, Youngstown State, and Kent State..... that's the problem. It's your in-conference schedule that sucks.

Very, very arguable.

Our second teir gave the SEC's second teir all they could handle in the bowl games.

Wisconsin Vs Tennessee

Michigan Vs Florida

Well, you get the picture.

Yeah, Minnesota and Northwestern are usually cakewalks. But, Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan are solid programs and can play with anyone. Now, our middle of the road teams may not be quite as good as the SEC's middle of the road, but as Illinois demonstrated, they can beat you on any given Saturday. Yes, OSU would beat Illinois 9 out of 10 times. They would get blownout 5 out of 10, be somewhat competitive in a couple, be real competitive in a couple, and beat you once. Sort of like the Ark/LSU matchup, or the KY/LSU matchup.

SO, while our conference schedule may not be as tough of a road as an SEC schedule, which I will give you, it is far from a cakewalk. You are going to play a couple of easy games. A couple of Illinoisish teams, and a couple of solid programs.

And, it's not like our Akron, Kent State, and Youngstown State games are OSU exclusive. All schools schedule weak out of conference teams. Most don't schedule against a top ten program consistently. OSU does.

I can't believe that I used Michigan in the positive to further an argument. Jeesh, some people have no morals

To change the topic LSU announced plans for an increase in ticket prices. Big surprise there. I'm surprised they didn't anounce it Tuesday morning. Gotta pay to play though and its not like I'll be able to get season tickets anytime soon anyway.

The ticket price increase doesn't make me happy, but there isn't much I can do to avoid it ...

my pair of season tickets is going to cost me about $2,680.00 for next year, if they make all the increases they are talking about ...

Just about 5 years ago, that same set of tickets only cost me about $1,200.00 for the season ...

It's the price of gas, man.

Driving everything up

Or maybe it's two NC's in the past 5 years.

I dunno, you make the call

Price of succes and we have to keep up with the Jone's. Last I looked were still about middle of the pack in the SEC as far as ticket prices go.

Where are your seats Trey? The guy I've been buying my tickets from for the last couple of years told me a couple of months ago that he was going to keep them next year. With the extra demand I may end up watching a few games from the tailgating spot. Time to invest in a plasma to bring out there.

Isn't this footaball game over with by now.


Gotta news flash for you yuppies....WVU would have beaten either one of those teams.

Steve_NO and you other SEC reach-arounders can accept the fact that 5 teams should share the number 1 spotlight. WVU giving LSU that sympathy assed loss should at least have you LSU fans sending me gifts of endearment.

You all know that WVU only lost b/c I was at the game, don't you??

This very topic is taking place right now on a big Wisconsin forum. Some of the Tennessee fans who came around during the bowl buildup have stuck around and actually been pretty cool. This topic is a hot one right now.

I stated over there that I think the Big Ten was in trouble long before the media and fans of other conferences started taking shots at it. I saw things taking a bad turn three or four years ago. It took a while for folks not following the conference to catch on... and for those other Big Ten fans here I would advise that we don't need to kid ourselves: the Big Ten isn't as bad as others say we are but we aren't at a historically high level either. :p

This thing is, though, that the Big Ten is already taking the steps needed to shore things up in a big way. Where the Big Ten has fallen down, I think, is at the very top one or two and in the mid to lower levels. Look at what has happened over the past year or so:

Illinois has taken itself from the epitome of incompetence to a pretty decent team. Michigan State has hired an excellent coach and has already shown a much improved toughness and character to go along with its usually pretty talented teams. Indiana even made the jump from terrible to halfway decent. Iowas is far too good of a program to allow itself to sink into mediocrity any further... this was one of the hottest teams in the country 4 years ago and ~should~ at least return to being a good team shortly.

Now look at the top:

Penn State has just graduated its biggest headache. They are going back to the mobile QB offense and even look to be making a full blown conversion to the Spread Option they flirted with several years ago. They are a program loaded with talent and will be very good very shortly.

Michigan has made the commitment to going with a new coach, new system, new style of play. They hired a snake, sorry couldn't help myself, but one of the most talented snakes in the country. Anyone who thinks this program won't grow into a real power again in the next 2 to 3 years raise your hand.

Wisconsin is flirting with becoming a year in and year out top 20 team. They have a very good coaching staff, much improved talent over the past 4 or 5 years, and have proven they can be competitive with most anyone they play. This is a program that ~could~ be a major player at the top of the conference every year with a little more time.

Which brings us to tOSU....

Aside from the rest of US occasionally beating this team to spare us the embarrassment they yearly provide, this program has a couple of major flaws keeping it out of the top 5. And it ain't talent, and it ain't speed, and it ain't desire.

One is being tested most every week to toughen them up. That is one that if the first part of my post it right will take care of itself. They cannot be held responsible for the rest of the conference taking a nap the last couple seasons. But they can pay a high price for it on national TV every year it seems.

The second has to do with the head coach. He needs to understand that he can out talent a lot of teams, but an uninspired game plan that simply tries to out run defensive backs and run over middle linebackers won't work against a team that is every bit as, maybe even more, talented as them. They need to get back to playing fundamentally sound football.

Look at LSU and what they did to tOSU.

They ran the football and did it well. More than that they SUSTAINED drives by getting good yardage on just about every first down they ran the ball on. And they converted a slew of 3rd downs by simply going to the line of scrimmage, seeing where tOSU was putting their linebackers, and then running to the weak side of the defense (or to the power of their formation).

Basic play calling, great blocking, excellent execution. Get out the crystal cup. When you play great talent you have to establish ~something~ that curtails what the defense can do to you. tOSU didn't follow this fundamental law of football and lost big... again.

And they'll do it again if they try the same thing on a team that has as much or more talent than they do.

Will

Good post Will and I agree with most of it. I thought Wisconson is already pretty much a perennial top 20 team though?

Its fun to talk trash but the truth is, these things go in cycles. Back in the '90s Florida was crushing everyone in the SEC but then got their butts handed to them by Nebraska in a NC game ('95 maybe?). I'm just going to kick back and enjoy being on top for a while.

I don't blame you. If WVU or Wisconsin ever won a national title I would do the same. Never happened before and I doubt it ever will.

But can UW have a really good team? Perennial top 20 program? Maybe. Debatable.

They finished last season ranked 6 and this one ranked 20 something. They are almost there, but at least for me they could sink out of the top 20 next season as easily as finish in the top 5.

They have shown an ability to recruit very, very good offensive linemen and running backs. But they have not shown the ability to build depth on the defensive line or secondary. One or two injuries can cripple them pretty badly. Five or six, like this year, can show this lack of depth and really slow them down... top 25 teams can be hurt by injuries but truly elite teams bring in the next guy and make due. Just like LSU did this season.

Wisconsin may be good enough to play anyone in the country closely if they remain healthy, but they have yet to show me that they can overcome the normal, expected injuries and setbacks to still win against teams in the top 2 or 3 of most conferences. Though against Tennessee they showed they aren't too far away.

I am hoping for good things next year. As always. :p

Will

What do you believe the outcome of WVU/OSU would have been Will??

Honestly?

I'd have to go with WVU. But I think tOSU would play a lot better because of a lack of pressure, fear, expectations. They would have come in expecting to win and would have played better.

But WVU had a very good defensive line. One of the most underrated ones I saw all year. Their entire defense would have had some level of success agianst Ohio State I think.

Worse for tOSU, although they have a pretty good defense, after all LSU scored 40 on just about everyone not just them, they didn't appear to me to have the tools to give WVU fits. I think WVU runs successfully on them just like they did Oklahoma. And they beat them, just like they did Oklahoma.

Just me though, I'm not sure the Buckeyes on the board would agree. :p

Will

I love that logo...will circulate

Got their butts handed to them by LSU in '97. Were ranked number 1 prior to that.

I wouldn't say we handed their buts to them. Caught them by surprise and jumped out to an early lead. Managed to hang on and win thanks to a Cedrick Donaldson pick 6. Our defense was very average that year. I remember watching with dread thinking UF was going to come back and win in the 4th quarter. Still my favorite night ever in Tiger Stadium or on LSU campus for that matter. We celebrated HARD. Wonder where that Pi Phi is now...

Penguin,
IMO (and I am biased) there is no question that the best BCS or otherwise bowl performance was turned in by WVU. Congrats to LSU and it's fans for their victory and for winning the National Championship and if I were an LSU fan I would be crowing from the highest perch I could find.
This season saw several good college football programs stub their toes and fall out of favor with the writers and the coaches (including WVU, LSU, USC, etc). Every week was another story and every week those that stumbled were subjected to the reasoning used to rank them 9th or 11th or 14th or where ever it seemed right to put them.
Looking back and reflecting again in IMO had WVU played any team in the nation in the Fiesta Bowl and played at the same level played on that night it would make absolutely no difference who the opponent was the outcome would have been the same. The flip side is had they showed up and played the way they played in the Pitt game the outcome would not have been so good.
All of the what if's won't change a thing. LSU is the National Champion, all of us got to watch some pretty good football and next year we get to watch it again. Go Mountaineers!!!

Dave