And a quick comment on Starman's last post (didn't read all the posts). Scholars say Jesus comment about being foresaken on the cross reflects Sin and how much God hates Sin. It is something that seemed odd to me. Jesus would doubt God at the end. Until full context is given. Man is dead in Sin and foresaken. Jesus absorb the punishment for our sin and in doing so was also foresaken. He lived the life we couldn't live and died the death we were condemned to die. Forgiveness is not getting what we deserve. Grace is getting what we don't deserve.
