Originally Posted by Northman
Originally Posted by hatari
Socialist troll speaks again,

"Workers Unite! Unfetter yourselves from the shackles of Capitalism!"




So.. the automakers that are highly unionized in their home countries, where they made their success and made billions. And where the union members are part of the company boards, to make sure everybody is treated fairly and paid well, with good benefits, as well as making sure the company will profit.

You do know they have factories all over the globe.. they produce it where its cheapest. And in the US they use Right to Work states.. because the labour is cheapest there. And the profits are sent back, to their unions workers.

You see a trend here? Companies want cheap labour.. the cheaper the better.



Originally Posted by Northman
Originally Posted by hatari
Socialist troll speaks again,

"Workers Unite! Unfetter yourselves from the shackles of Capitalism!"

That stuffed worked really well in the Soviet Union, didn't it? You gotta a 5 year plan like Stain? How about a Great Leap forward like Mao? Can you kill more than 30 Million of your own people through starvation like they did. I'm sure you would only starve out the red states.

Yeah that unionshit is so good, that foreign auto makers now make more vehicles in the US than Detroit. Toyota just announced new HQs in Alabama. Mercedes Benz and Porsche are in Atlanta. SC, GA, and AL are home to assembly plants for BMW, MB, Hyundai and Kia to name just a few. Common denominator? Right to Work States.

FO commie!



So.. the automakers that are highly unionized in their home countries, where they made their success and made billions. And where the union members are part of the company boards, to make sure everybody is treated fairly and paid well, with good benefits, as well as making sure the company will profit.

You do know they have factories all over the globe.. they produce it where its cheapest. And in the US they use Right to Work states.. because the labour is cheapest there. And the profits are sent back, to their unions workers.

You see a trend here? Companies want cheap labour.. the cheaper the better.


Let me enlighten those that might be confused in your attempt to channel John Maynard Keynes - or Karl Marx.

1.) People buy on Price. The success of Walmart is not due to them squeezing the worker but to selling inexpensive stuff (you can read that as cheap made in China minimum quality stuff) AND THE CONSUMER IS BUYING IT! The consumer is driving the market.

I dare you to open your own store, sell the same merchandise as Walmart, but unionize it, make sure everybody has Teamster style wages benefits and retirements. Everything else is the same. What do YOU thing will happen. Will the consumer pick YOUR store over Walmart? It is from all outward appearances EXACTLY the same. What happens? The consumer sees that you have had to pass along the cost of higher wages and benefits. Do they applaud you and flock to your store because you are a socially conscious warrior and lionize you for your forward thinking? Hell, no! They see your prices are 15% higher than Walmart and say "screw this I'm shopping at Walmart because it's MY money".

Your store fails and you are back to where you are right now. Waiting for your check from the gov't every month.

2.) People start businesses to make a profit! I know that is a foreign concept to you collectivists who want to use the power of the proletariate to topple Capitalism and install yourselves as morally and intellectually superior benevolent shepherds of society, but Darwin fortunately will see you eventually fail every time.

Collectivism fails and socialism fails because it removes incentive for exceptionalism. It makes upward mobility impossible. Without the possibility of improving one's position in life, there is zero reason to give the effort it takes to succeed. You know that the system will not allow it. People do not thrive in such circumstances. Did the Soviet Bloc thrive? Hell no! People were dreary drones doing the minimum. The best examples of exceptionalism came with these people making do with less.

So let's take your own words:

Originally Posted by Northman
You see a trend here? Companies want cheap labour.. the cheaper the better.



Companies want to keep their costs down to the consumer so that they can stay competitive. If they can stay competitive and profitable while making their employees millionaires, you'd see it happen. Problem is that consumers run the market, not the CEOs. Consumers dictate what strategic steps must be made to keep a company going. If a company goes under, everybody loses their jobs.

* time out* Do not dare come back with some lameshit about some Aetna CEO making $40 million as an example of Capitalism gone bad. The head of a $40 billion company, whose compensation is linked to company performance earns it and that represents maybe 1% of revenues. Paying that guy $1 isn't the difference between profits and bankruptcy. They fail, they get fired. They get paid market rates. you want the best, you pay them or someone else takes them.

Why aren't you blaming consumers???? IF consumers would buy only Made in USA by Union Members (that have awesome benefits and retirement plans), then everyone would be happy, right? Companies would make a profit, and let's be honest right here that an averaged 7-10%/yr profit is not only reasonable but essential because you will have years where you lose money and need reserves to survive. Reserves come from consistent profits.
Companies would make their profits, stockholders - many of which are workers and UNION members would get a piece of that , and life would be cheery.

WHY IS THAT NOT THE CASE UNIVERSALLY, MR. KEYNES?

Because consumers are price conscious and thus we have competition. Ahh, but in your world you hate competition, and want the gov't to make the playing field "fair".

So while I am well aware you are a Dem Troll of the highest order getting your jollies throwing grenades around here, I'm not going to give the likes of you a pass, least some of the younger guys here read and hear drivel like yours and wonder how to respond or where your coming from.


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