One thing I’ll tell you. A couple 7mm-08 shells in your pocket while you hike isn’t as irritating as a couple 280 etc shells. The 4 I pull out of the rifle at the end of the day line up perfectly in the ashtray of my Truck but anything 30/06 length (280) and up doesn’t lay in there just right.
can't argue with that !
I guess I've missed something in 50 plus years of hunting.
I've NEVER tried or needed to put rifle ammo in an ashtray. Guess I don't need to.
Jerry