Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Originally Posted by Formidilosus
[quote=Dogger]i suppose a Tikka T3X or Sauer 100 XT Classic in 270 would be dang near bulletproof...



T3x Lite in 6.5 Creedmoor. Anything else and you are leaving accuracy, precision, and shootability on the table for no gain.


I see nearly half a million rounds a year get shot, and while most isn't from bolt guns quite a bit is, and Tikka's are the least finicky, easiest to get shooting, and least troublesome rifles available.


Originally Posted by Formidilosus

I never stated one couldn’t hunt with a 700. You, and a lot of people believe that Remington 700 rifles (and others) are superior designed and better/more reliable/etc. From a mechanical and execution perspective- that’s not the case. Mechanically and executionaly the Tikka trigger, barrel, stock, and action is better.


This has little to do with the “sandbox” and everything to do with lots of rounds and lots of examples of both. In hunting and competition I have personally seen or had happen to me with 700 based guns- frozen triggers and frozen firing pins from both ice/slush and dust/sand. One bolt handle come off as well as a couple of triggers that failed and fired when the safety was taken off. Multiple locked of bolts due to sand/dust, and bolts that could be closed due to same. A T3 isn’t an AI, but side by side they have not suffered the same rate of issues as 700’s.


The Tikka isn’t perfect, but it’s very good. [/quote



Originally Posted by Formidilosus



I’m not making anything up. And no, not all enclosed triggers work the same nor do they all suffer the same issues. The most reliable action and trigger system by far is Accuracy International SWS’s. That has been proven by every single military trail where the rifles were legitimately tested. They have an closed trigger, and have outdone M98’s, M70’s, M700’s, etc. in multiple tests. The next closest guns have been Sako TRG’s (especially their newest 2 stage trigger) which is at worst a sister to the T3. The T3 has been tested by two countries, and is fielded by more entities than most know.




Originally Posted by Formidilosus


I like most people, used to think of Tikka as a budget gun. However after using them heavily, seeing the results of how they performed in two military trials, and seeing about every failure that can happen occur with every popular action/rifle/trigger- I would take a Tikka over any other action/rifle for general hunting and shooting. The Barret is an excellent true mountain hunting rifle, but for a general shooter and hunter the T3 Lite is unmatched.


Regardless of how they were advertised or thought of, and regardless of how many issues and custom Rem 700’s and clones I’ve owned and used, the Tikka T3/T3x’s get more right.



All Remington’s and all Remington clones (Surgeon/Stiller/GAP/etc) suffer from the same problem, and there is no way to replace it... the trigger. The way Remington 700 compatible trigger are made means they will have reliability issues. It has shown up in every military dust and ice test. AI, Sako TRG, and Tikka T3 triggers all do better in the same conditions. Couple that with better reliability of the bolt design in dust/dirt and ice conditions, better barrels with chambers cut correctly, bolt handles that don’t fall off, actions that don’t need to be squared and trued, scopes mounting holes that are concentric and square, a 2.5 lb factory trigger, not to mention one of the/the smoothest actions made that is extremely resistant to binding, and you are right.... there is no comparison.
Yep. I agree with every word of that. As someone who has been in the gunsmithing trade for 10 years now I'm continually astonished at how incapable of evaluating the quality/precision of construction of a rifle even the most avid shooters/hunters really are. The Tikka's walk all over any of the American made rifles I'm farmiliar with and have worked on by a long shot. Remingtons are horrible in design and precision of construction and most of the others mentioned here aren't much better, I particularly get a kick out of folks who proclain such as the T/C Venture or Compas as nearly the equal of a Tikka. It ain't even close.




This isn't about reality it's about how a certain gun might make you feel. Feelings are important. When it comes to firearms a fairly conservative group of fellas can go a bit snowflake 😁

Facts don't care about feelings........BEN SHAPIRO



Trystan

Last edited by Trystan; 12/04/18.

Good bullets properly placed always work, but not everyone knows what good bullets are, or can reliably place them in the field