I always start out right there Tex- since this rifle has a longer throat, I have better accuracy with 62gr with 4 going into .85", rounded group. I'm always pleased to get the bug-hole, 1/2" groups...but I know its rare. If I get even close to a consistent 1"- 1 1/4", I know I have an accurate rifle. Heck, I can remember reading when the "goal" of a good varmint rifle was 1", ha. But its fun looking for it, ain't it? smile