One of the first posters said he shoots a bullet at 3,700 fps. With the " new bullets" . With all that speed , and if the bullet doesn't break up, that changes everything. At 3,700 fps, that is twice the speed of some of those old 32 special and older 30-30 loads. I just dont think you need as much bullet as you used to need. The guys who say bunk with the . 22cal. and then a bunch of guys say the results are fantastic, you cant just say they are imagining it. I laugh sometimes cause 8 yrs ago I went from a .270 Win to a .243 Win . and felt that was a bit light. If you take a bullet at 3,700 fps. That is not a bullet anymore, it's a bomb when it hits the vitals and I imagine it is as much as the concussion as much as the blood loss. If you double the speed, you quadruple the foot pounds . . My next gun will likely be a .223 Rem. with a small frame for walking. No added weight for the bullets like my 45-70 Gov. I swear 10 rounds adds a pound in my pocket with that gun.


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