My dad had one with real lead in the end. I remember the scenes from 'Mulholland Falls' and wish I had hung onto it.

D-cell lights and saps have been off limits as impact weapons since before I started my career.


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I'm mostly trying to find some options between running and a mag dump at close range. Thinking of getting some good mace in a pocket size container as well. A hammer, a sock and a roll of quarters, even a short piece of pipe filled with lead to be used as a sucker bar inside your fist are all effective but have drawbacks as to ease of carrying or ease of getting into action quickly. The novelty item under consideration can be carried unobtrusively in a back pocket where it can be brought out and used with one motion. If they are all classed as weapons then might as well use one that is proven efficient.

I've made a good living out of minding my own business but with the state of things today one needs to be prepared. And continuing with that, I'm just not sure an old white guy shooting someone who is a real threat of serious injury but who isn't actively in the process of shooting or stabbing me might still land me in a place I don't want to be. Options are good.



Minding one's own business goes a long way in avoiding problems. You really need to research use of force laws in your state and maybe attend some real training. Shooting someone who isn't "shooting or stabbing" you can still be justified.There are doctrines within use of force that important to know and understand such as disparity of force, lethal force, less lethal and non-lethal. Impact weapons can be lethal. Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown are real good examples of this, in that "unarmed" doesn't mean they're not dangerous. If you are carrying a firearm or a blade, there is already a firearm or blade in the mix. Understand that keeping those weapons away from someone who is already demonstrating their willingness for violence is your top priority. Afterall, you didn't invite them to attack you, right?

A good shoot is a good shoot whether it's one shot or a mag dump. If lethal force is justified, it doesn't matter if you shoot them, run a bayonet through them or run them over with a pickup. No law requires you to accept grievous bodily harm before using lethal force.

Pepper spray is a good choice. Be aware of its types and limitations and keep your choices within a small range of reputable brands. Don't dismiss blades as another tool. Again training is important here. Michael Janich has probably done one of the best jobs of distilling blade defense down into its simplest form using the doctrine of "defanging the snake". Some of his vids are online.

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