I 30/06ed them for a few years but the last two have fallen to my 270Wby. 130Etips have produced convincing results. Rifle is a Voere Black Forest, same same as A Kleingunther K14. It was a 7mm Rem Mag with a rotten bore when I got it so I duplicated the contour with a Shilen blank and went 270Wby. Full length bedded into the original wood stock and wearing a VXII 3-9x40 in PRW rings on a one piece base I made from bar stock after being unable to find mounts. It’s probably right about 8lb with three shells and shoots great with 130s of any brand I’ve tried.