Originally Posted by Just a Hunter
Originally Posted by MedRiver
Originally Posted by Just a Hunter
I have always heard velocity is key to making TSX or the like work well. My son shot his first deer with Winchester 64g PP. They worked horribly. So what velocity would get them to work properly?


What cartridge was he shooting the 64s out of? What makes you say it worked horribly (lack of penetration, lack of expansion, shattered on bone, ???)? When I was hunting more with the .22-250 it was before I started handloading. I shot 55g remington softpoints because the were $9.99/box and they worked. Didn't own a chronograph but would guess they were going somewhere between 3400-3600 out of my 22" barrel.

The only deer I have seen shot with a 60-65 grain soft point (I cant remember if it was a Sierra 65 or a Winchester 62 as it was my buddy's rifle) was with a .223 out of a stubby AR. One and done on a young muley at 100 yards. I don't know the velocity but would be pretty mild I am sure.


18"barrel,.223 Rem. Not sure of the velocity now, factory loads. Deer shot 4 times at an average of 100 yards. 2 in the lungs, one in the liver and one broke the front leg and deflected down taking hair off the brisket and into the dirt. It was at an angle that if it had penetrated the chest wall it was inline with the heart, but it turned ~90 degrees after hitting the leg bone.. Bullets didn't appear to expand from the look of the wound channels, but also didn't exit. We had it processed so didn't find any bullets ourselves. The deer stood for quite awhile and it wasn't until blood started coming out of his nose did he wobble and fall down.


Do you know which hit was first? It's been my experience that if the liver is hit first it seems they get enough adrenaline to make it seem messy. I haven't shot a lot with the 64gr PP but I do keep some in the truck for the AR. I have also used Nosler 64gr BSB, and also have some of those loaded for the .22-250. Just wondering, as many factors contribute, some just seem like they don't want to go down as easy, some collapse.


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