what does the majic of baptism have to do with it at the end of the day?
just a worthy ritural? methodists, catholics, baptists, others?
we're talking about water here. water is different from air?
can someone make it to 'heaven' w/o baptism?
what kind of baptism and who chooses?
i just hate when lay theologians join.
and then choose to disagree.
and they say everyone else is wrong.