what does the majic of baptism have to do with it at the end of the day?

just a worthy ritural? methodists, catholics, baptists, others?

we're talking about water here. water is different from air?

can someone make it to 'heaven' w/o baptism?

what kind of baptism and who chooses?

i just hate when lay theologians join.

and then choose to disagree.

and they say everyone else is wrong.