The one Mesa in 6.5 Creedmoor I tried briefly was a 3/4 to 1" shooter 'at best". I only tried a few factory loads, and handloaded the 120 Hornady Match and the 110 Hammer Hunter. I later tried one in a Bergara B14 Hunter and it was a bonafide 1/2" with anything I put in it. I just don't have a real use for a Creed, so sold it to play with something else. The Mesa was heavier than I felt it should be too. Just my take. Great rifles though, no complaints on their quality. I just am surprised at what a great value the Bergara B14 is!