I have purchased many Leupold scopes over the years and there are over a dozen in my possession now. A few sent in over the years but they were old scopes in need of attention, or at least I thought they did. Nothing wrong with old scopes sent in and Leupold taking care of them via their life time guarantee. Many other scope brands break out of the box and that has never happened with any genuine Leupold that I have owned. So, if Big Stick hates them so much I am sure the price will be discounted accordingly and I will be interested in buying them. Hint. LAUGHING!!!