I shoot only traditional and have for over 50 years. For me, an elk is too far away at more than 40 yards and a deer too far at more than 30 yards. And I'm talking standing, broadside or slightly quartering away. I've never shot an animal at more than about 27 yards. For me, it's all about getting as close as I can, NOT seeing how far away I can hit an animal. If I can't get close enough, I'll pass up the shot rather than taking a chance at wounding it.