My old 30-06/742 shot around 5-6" with Remington 150 Corlokt and 3.5-4" with the old Federal Red Box when they started loading the Sierra 165 SBT. I never shot any critter over 60yds, it was that thick, lots of palmetto flats, bay-galls and briers, Pin Oak flats and pine motts. Get on a game trail and ezzzzz along. smile