I have a first year 1912 in 16 gauge and a 1917 built 12 gauge . I use the short shells in both and see no loss of performance for the hunting I do with them . Unless you feel the need for a high condition gun to hunt with m 1912 and m12 guns can usually be found for a very reasonable price . The only reason I can see to buy a m25 is to fill a hole if you collect Winchester shotguns . They are good enough guns but they are not equal to the 12's .
