I heard once that the 37 Ithaca was a good gun. But as a young lad I was given a 16 gauge model 12 from my father and I had no reason to ever find out anything more about other guns. I agree with all statements made regarding model 12 and model 25’s. Nothing at all wrong with the 25 but I’d rather have a 12. If you’re shopping for a 12 gauge they seem to be moving a lot slower than small bore model 12s and you could likely find a good buy either a 12 or even less for a 25.