Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
History, geography, climate, NY State is among the most beautiful places we have. I love NY, just the politics and laws I can’t stand. The people in rural NY are as Red State America as anywhere, but just like all the rest of the Blue states they are cursed by their big cities.

Love it, just could never live there.

^^^This in spades, it is a beautiful state with a few lousy cities.