I've posted this several times before. I tried them in my 7mag running about 3000 at the muzzle. I do realize several proven hunters here that I'd absolutely trust (GregW comes to mind) use/have used them very successfully, I had very "questionable" results personally. This was an avg sized whitetail killed at just over 100 yds (yeah, sometimes shots are closer than you plan for), behind shoulder entry, no shoulder bone.....

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Shot about 10 pigs with them, and not one fell over dead.....if I hadn't seen where most of them ran into the plum thickets/shinnery I'd have never found them. No blood trail, nothing, nada. In my neophyte opinion of using "target bullets" to kill stuff, I'd choose a scenar every time, or an ELDM. Several big muley bucks had died the past few years with those, and exemplary bullet performance. Take it FWIW.

It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.