Sheeeit... crappy Rem or Win 165's in a 30-30 is about as deady as it gets, if you can hit em.
I only use 170’s!
As for the 22 short. My count is at 2
Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
