"I can just see it now. The factories introduce the .25-08 (maybe called the .250 Super-Duper) with a 100-grain bullet at 3100 and a 117 at 2900 (about what could be safely accomplished in factory ammo) with great fanfare, and many gun writers slaying unfortunate pronghorns and whitetails right and left. Then the gun writers rush to their computers and desperately try to convince the gun-buying public that somehow these ballistics are new and revolutionary and absolutely necessary for slaying pronghorns and whitetails"

John, I nominate you for the job, seriously!

The 257 is great, I have invested in three of them that currently reside in my safe.

A 25-308, loaded to modern pressures, would be a fine cartridge indeed and probably the most ideal beginners cartridge you could find.

The 257 rob is simply jaded by those who dont know it well and is loaded cool (I know you can get +p stuff but that confuses most folks).

come on John, what do you say???