Champs for me, though I have a pair of whipcords and they are tough, and I can understand the praise. If I was busting willows all day, I think the whipcords would be the ones. If climbing, the champs get the nod from me, although mine are black and I don't like that. I'll drag my azz up the goat mountain in 'em this next October with gusto!
Don
