They always hunt on their own. Never been on an outfitted hunt in their lives. I have been hunting with them for 9 years now. I have learned plenty from these master elk hunters. One guy is 72 and I cannot keep up with him. He walks about 5 miles every day in the mountains to keep in shape. When elk hunting he might cover 10 miles or more in a day! Since they are locals, they have a good idea when and where the elk will be. For me, it's like going on a guided hunt for free. smile