Sonora,
I have never made any claims of 40 inch deer, We shot some 200 plus and 34.5 was the biggest at 234.5 and he is on my web page. but thats not the problem here..
Another lie. When does it ever end Ray?
Are you serious Ray? Your telling me that you have NEVER advertised claims of 40" deer? Thats why this whole thing started, you claimed that your hunters killed 2-3 deer a year that were 208"-235" and had spreads exceeding 40". It was BS, I called you on it and here we still are.
Furthermore, the deer on your website thats being held by the landowners wife that you've always claimed to be 234" was killed by a friend of mine and he has no clue who you are. You had nothing to do with that buck but you use the word "we" when describing that buck. Also, that buck is NOT 234"! Its a hell of a deer but not what you claim it is. I know, for a fact, that none of the deer pictured on your website were killed by your clients and will tell you that one of the pictures was of a buck killed on a ranch that you NEVER had the authority to book for. This is what happens when you lie on a public forum Ray, people that know better call you on it
I can show anyone a 225 to 235 B&C buck with 40" plus spreads, on about any give hunt, East of Roswell on the LE ranch or on the Frying Pan Ranch near Kermit...
Ray, this next quote was what got us started on this debate
I have some trophy Mule Deer and we kill two or three each year in the 208 to 235 B&C class, spreads of 40 plus inches, which is pretty good because we only take about 7 hunters....In Texas/NM on 300,000 acres of desert near Jal NM and Kermit, Texas....
Here you go advertising a poached deer that was killed 2 counties away where there was no hunting season. I called you on it and you called me a liar. Whats funny is that in later posts you try to pawn it off as if you were correct the whole time.
As some of you know, my big deer ranch is booked up to 2010, but a neighbor contacted me through ********** who posts here and he has one opening for this year and its the first 4 days of season...$2000 for fully guided 1x1 hunt and a $2000 kill fee....
The largest deer was a 13 point 46 inch wide deer with 6" bases and 30 inch main beams...A number of 200 plus deer have come off this 20,000 acre low fenced ranch eacg year...
Considering the size of the Mule Deer killed each year on this ranch, example the largest to date shot a couple of years ago had a 46" spread and awsome mass, and is the State record, then $2000 or $4000 is dirt cheap and success rate is high for that kind of Mule Deer..A comparison is Mexico who were getting $9,500.00 last I checked and these deer are better than Mexicos..Most of the deer shot will go in the book or darn close to it..The gene pool is there and the deer are there, if your lucky or good...
I have had a cancellation on my Texas Mule Deer Trophy hunts...This hunt is on a 20,000 acre low fenced ranch that backs up to about 100,000 acres of Gov. land..
These may be the best trophy deer in the world today, they only allow you to shoot the big ones, the largest shot so far was a 46" spread, 30 inch beam and 6 inch base, Texas no. 1...A number of 170 to 180 were shot and several each year over 200..The adjoining ranch I have booked up into 2008 shot several in the 200 to 234 B&C class...This is one heck of a trophy mule deer country and about half what the guys in Mexico are getting...
When pressed you claim that 46" deer was poached at the gate of his ranch
This one was poached at the gate of Billy Coles ranch if that helps you out.....If you want to see a picture of Billy Cole holding the deer then check his web page or email me like I suggested...I can show you pictures of a half a dozen bucks in the 180 to 234 B&C range if you like, that we have killed in that general area, I book for two ranches, Flag ranch and DK Boyd who has 5 ranches in that are, but DK is booked through 2008, all return clients.....
But then you come around and admit it was 2 counties over like I had been telling you for over a year
Billy Cole of the Flag ranch where you live has a picture of that deer on his brochure and it clearly states the deer was poached in ****** County..I send out those Brochures to folks...I wouldn't suggest that you go and jump on Billy with your BS, it might prove disasterous.
So Ray, tell again how you have never advertised 40" deer. Please, explain to me how I'm wrong about this. I'm just bringing up North America here, your Africa claims are just as rediculous but I'm not the guy to publicly take you to task on those.
Thank you Ray for helping me make the case as to why I would NEVER consider you one of the 10 best booking agent in the industry. You are at the top of a number of my lists but none of them would be considered "good" lists
BTW, If you and I ever come face to face, I think I'll give you and old fashion spanking..
You'd try Ray, If I ever see you I'll come and introduce myself and give you the opportunity
Drummond
