Very good info here and specifically on R17. Thanks Dober and all.

To another side issue question brought up somewhere here, I've considered too and finally put a Leup VX3 3.5-10 CDS on my .284. I've got my load cooked up including mv--very good as is accuracy--but just need to shoot at the ranges to confirm data.

Stick, if you read this, I know; it's not the way you do things. That's OK; there's more than one way to make chicken too. grin