hey you dumb [bleep] i happen to own 3 cva rifles the cva optima elite is my favorite. it shoots loose t7 good,and some dumbass recomended shooting pellets wtf. ya id like to see that roundball shoot at 500 yds what a dumbass.. yes research the primers and youll find out that some are not as hot as others,any beginner reloader or 8th grader would know that.my knights are 2 bighorns 1 long range hunter thats a true sub moa shooter at 200 yds and a disc elite. i have a new knight on order as we speak.i just had bad luck with a apex and uys cant accept that because they are fan boys.i wouldnt trade my optima elite for 10 apex rifles