Originally Posted by 30mmplumber
ok, here we go,,, I have shot for many years at Camp Perry, the first 5 years I shot the NRA Bullseye and was able to get some 'Leg' points...so, that is 50 and 25 yards one hand, 1911 hardball (230gr) factory (issued) ammo. Then the following 15 years I shot NRA High-Power Service Rifle (M14),,,got some 'Leg' points there also... I will shoot against the little boys in their 3-gun game at 10 yards, with hand loads that recoil like a 22LR. I have shot NRA Action Pistol & IPSC, years ago. But it was a game for kids, not real shooting. Speed was more important than accurate shots. Let me see the 3-gun guys on the 50 yard line at Perry with Colt series 70. Or maybe on the 1000 yard line with a M1A and 175gr Federal Gold. I agree with Mr. SOFMatchstaff...the game started with real shooters, now it is a joke...in my opinion.



What horse crap. I hear this all the time from old shooters, soldiers, and cops. They all have one thing in common- when/if they come to a match they get their butts handed to them.

3-Gun is the most useful shooting sport for military and law enforcement. While they both offer good specialized practice- NRA Service Rifle and NRA Bullseye has about as much to do with how we utilize, move and fight with guns as golf. I will state this right now- if you do not shoot IPSC or 3-Gun you have zero concept of what good shooting really is and what is possible with a pistol and carbine.

I went to what is the equivalent of the world championships in 3-Gun last weekend to hang out with some friends as I did not sign up for it. Turns out they could fit me in. No problem. Seeing as how I didn't bring anything to shoot a match with I used my duty weapons. A Glock 19 for the pistol using M882 ball ammo, a real issued M4 (14.5 inch barrel with an EOtech) for the rifle using a mixture of MK262 77gr Match, greentip and 60gr VMAX, and a borrowed broken FN shotgun. Out of 250 competitors I placed in the top ten on every single rifle and pistol stage with guns straight out of the armory. Had the shotgun not completely broken on the second to last stage I would have finished in the top ten overall. As it was, borrowing three different shotguns to finish the match, a compact pistol, and an M4 I still finished in the top 15%. Not nearly what I do with my "match" guns but......


Anyone that doesn't shoot 3-Gun that thinks they can outshoot and outrun a gun, any gun, in practical shooting over a top level guy needs to pull their nose away from the blow....