If used correctly and wisely e-collars work. On the other hand, having had three Eng Setters, not the breed to use it on in my opinion. Found out early with my first they are the one dog you must have patience and ability to do dog logic to win over and follow commands.
Ended up with three at one time, and they knew my displeasure and their names quite well in short order - dxxn, dxxnmit and Gawddxxnmit. I really miss those dogs.
