Just not an E-collar fan, but I know if used correctly they can be effective to stop big runners. I also know a vibrate or tone collar can do the same thing. As a previous poster said, setters can be kind of soft...I much prefer training any dog, hard or soft by using honey and not vinegar on the flies...
I will qualify this by saying I am NOT a gun dog trainer..I train other stuff but have found even with big, hard dogs if they are raised, socialized and trained properly when young ( real young...) the use of aversives is usually counter productive. JMHO
