Originally Posted by bruinruin
This thread, did you read it, by any chance? This thread was started by another member who used water as his test media, as many shooters do because it's readily available and inexpensive. My addition to the thread is relevant because I used the same test parameters -water, and a similar caliber and gun to testing done earlier in this thread.

Nowhere did I imply that my test were comparable to the way the bullet would perfom on living tissue and I don't believe the creator of this thread did, either.

How would the loads I tested perform on a living creature? I can't say, but I can claim that it would likely perform about as well or better than the other .380 loads tested by comparing the penetration and expansion results of all .380 loads tested.

This is where I stand, nothing has been proven at all for people or animals. For most, if you were at my back, I would say "forget it".
Useless testing from the start.