I don't reload for these two calibers, ain't no need too. The best you can get for both is on the store shelves. I don't shoot 170 gr, and the 150's are moving faster. It might not be a substantial difference in velocity to some of you folks, but its enough to change how the projectile performs for sure.

You'll never change my mind with the paper facts or flawed logic when probably over four hundred animals have fallen to these two calibers in my life, so far. I know which bullet is best for the caliber for a particular application, and which caliber performs the best on average out of the two. I have more rifles of both calibers, and have killed more with both, than maybe everyone on this forum combined.

Again, Its a debate that I sincerely hope continues, at least another century. I certainly vow to do my part.

Your assessment of my "beliefs" is flawed too. Just like I used to "believe" in God, since I met him in ICU in August of 1992...I'm not a believer, I'm a knower.

Last edited by JohnnyLoco; 08/29/14.