I hear ya on spray vs using a handgun efficiently. IMHO I think both is the best option, if the mofo is hard at me, I won't try the spray... But then again I think a defensive bear hand gun should also be tethered to the holster, and at least if I get some bullets into bear, it should have an eventual effect, spray, you just never have a clue, and I dont' trust spray if the bear is dead serious.
I just got back from Yellowstone. And everywhere I went I carried by Model 629 in a shoulder holster, but I definitely carried bear spray on my belt as well.
Making a CNS shot on a bear running at you at 30 mph over uneven terrain would be a long shot for most if not all of us. If you don't drop him dead, he'll chew you up pretty good before he expires. Use your spray and you can visually follow the continuous stream of liquid until you have it in the bear's face. There's over a 90% chance that the spray will work.
For me, bear spray will be my first option; the revolver would be the last.
Interesting note; I spend time in Yellowstone very summer and have yet to see another hiker carrying. In fact I don't think I've even seen a ranger in the backcountry that was either.
but in that link is this paragraph that makes me wonder WTF
"The Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009, was enacted May 22, 2009 and will become effective February 22, 2010. Section 512 of this law; Protecting Americans from Violent Crimes, supersedes the uniform treatment of firearm possession in the national park system outside Alaska under the regulations found at 36 C.F.R. 2.4."
Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones kill people.
No, I agree; short of the "Book of Eli times" I doubt I'd ever carry open in polite society (which of course would be gone) but as noted above the proliferation of rules, reg's, and laws make it unclear as to what is legal/illegal.
My understanding of the law is you can carry in the park the same as you can carry in any designated wilderness or national forest boundary as long as the respective state that boundary lies in, allows for open carry.
As I said, it's a moot point for me but that is how I understand the law.
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
Birdwatcher's just pretending to not be a flaming liberal. He doesn't actually think that.
Travis
Encouraging homosexuality among the bears of Yellowstone might substantially reduce the number of encounters with sows accompanied by cubs.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
Free and open access to weed might make 'em less aggressive too.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
I can. If one of my dog bites someone for no reason (such as a stranger attacking me), the dog is gone.
I don't blame dogs for being dogs, no more than I blame a bear for being a bear. But I'll not accept being eaten by either.
I can too.
At what point does a bear that has attacked humans, and lost it's fear of them, regain trust to not do it again?
Even if a problem bear has not attacked a human, but is causing problems and is trapped and relocated, 75% of those bears are repeat offenders, and end up being "put down".
As my stint as a wildlife specialist dealing with large predator problems, the facts outweigh the ignorance of those that don't really know as much as they think they do.
Yes you can. I usually wear a long sleeved sun shirt over a t-shirt, and the shoulder holster is beneath the sun shirt which I don't button. So I guess I would describe it as discreet open carry.
When you enter the park you are given a map and brochure. The brochure says that carrying guns is legal, but discharging them is not. But in a self-defense situation, I'm not going to worry about the ban on discharge and I wouldn't think too many DAs in Wyoming would either.
You are not allowed to carry in ranger stations or other federal buildings and most of them have signs on the doors reminding you of that.
I hear ya on spray vs using a handgun efficiently. IMHO I think both is the best option, if the mofo is hard at me, I won't try the spray... But then again I think a defensive bear hand gun should also be tethered to the holster, and at least if I get some bullets into bear, it should have an eventual effect, spray, you just never have a clue, and I dont' trust spray if the bear is dead serious.
I just got back from Yellowstone. And everywhere I went I carried by Model 629 in a shoulder holster, but I definitely carried bear spray on my belt as well.
Making a CNS shot on a bear running at you at 30 mph over uneven terrain would be a long shot for most if not all of us. If you don't drop him dead, he'll chew you up pretty good before he expires. Use your spray and you can visually follow the continuous stream of liquid until you have it in the bear's face. There's over a 90% chance that the spray will work.
For me, bear spray will be my first option; the revolver would be the last.
Interesting note; I spend time in Yellowstone very summer and have yet to see another hiker carrying. In fact I don't think I've even seen a ranger in the backcountry that was either.
Funny thing, I was up in Kananaskis in Alberta last week in high grizzly density area. Ran into a ranger and had a pleasant conversation about "bear medicine". He noticed and approved of the can of bear spray on my belt, and I noticed his 2cans of spray in addition to his sidearm and his 300 Win Mag rifle. I guess Canuck rangers have a different attitude about this stuff than Yellowstone rangers. Could be because more folks get killed by griz up there.
"I'm gonna have to science the schit out of this." Mark Watney, Sol 59, Mars
As an aside from the local fellow getting attacked; when I went to Yellowstone last month it seemed like the tourists (not all) acted like the place was Disneyworld or a zoo. Folks would try and run up to critters and get as close as possible to get a picture. I think a lot of people are out of touch with critters and how critters make a living. It ain't a video game out there!
I did not see any displayed firearms and only rangers seemed to carry spray.
Faith and love of others knows no mileage nor bounds. That's simply the way it is. dogzapper
After the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box. Italian Proverb
when I went to Yellowstone last month it seemed like the tourists (not all) acted like the place was Disneyworld or a zoo.
To them, that's exactly what it is.
One reason you may not see a lot of cans of spray in Yellowstone is that the majority of the "trails" are so short and so filled with people that it pretty much feels like Disneyworld. In Glacier most of the trails are longer (3-5 miles) and not built like sidewalks like Yellowstone. I see a LOT of people carrying spray in Glacier. More specifically the trails starting from the Many Glacier Campground.
I'm talking strictly day hikes. Not backcountry.
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
