Home Forums Hunting & Shooting General Big Game Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux!

Oh I think we all get that. As they say different strokes for different folks.

I for one thought it was a spectacular effort and display. I will give credit, where it's due. As an example; maybe someone is unable to get the Barnes bullet to shoot properly, but wants deep penetration. Now just look at his data, he has already given you a starting point, and options.

Just another thought.

1. FMJ/solids.

2. Archery/bow & arrow, cross bow.

Arrows usually come with steel points or tips of a large variety of different blade configurations. The cunning sales/marketing strategists offer up a whole range of different shapes and sizes.

1. So how does a FMJ perform ? Take a .264 caliber and add 50% - .132 = .369 caliber. If you want a .369 caliber hole just shoot a .375 caliber solid. No expansion, same results.

2. A steel tipped arrow doesn't expand or mushroom. It just slices and cuts and doesn't really do so good on bone. The amount of energy, and velocity, produced by an arrow compared to a bullet is dismally small. 40 yards is about optimum shooting distance.

So where can we go with this dissertation. Basically around in circles. Each separate method of hunting has it's pro's and cons and those are certainly in conflict and contradiction, philosophically, from one concept/method to another.

The archer presumably does it to prove his stealth, cunning and hunting skills. Then what about the hand gun shooter/hunter. He/she/they will equip a powerful large caliber .44 S&W Magnum or .454 Casul or a .45 Colt Ruger Bisley with a scope. Bullet expansion isn't really pertinent.

Is there a point to all of this. Probably not much. There are 9 ways to ski a cat and 99 ways to dispatch wild game.

I don't know how it's possible NOT to pay attention to how bullets perform once they impact.

They are the only thing that ever come in contact with the animal.

My 6.5 Creedmoor should arrive at my FFL today. I have been wondering which bullet to use. I have always been a Nosler man and normally a Partition man. I have never hand loaded the first Barnes. I may very well give them a shot.

I have to say though that I am ignorant about the rings/grooves/cannelure. Do I need to seat to one of them and crimp?

Steve thanks for taking time out to share this with us. I know it took a lot of work. If you tested a Nosler E-Tip 120 I missed it. It would be interesting to see how it compares to the Barnes since they are of similar unleaded construction.

Wow! Great bunch of pictures here.. I have some of the 140 AB, 130 AB and 140 PT from my 264 Win Mag. Can't really see much difference in the 140 AB started much faster.

William_E_Tibbe,



Here's another thought. I don't agree with most of this post.

Couldn't catch the bullet, but this is what a 120 E-Tip (pretty close to the 120 TTSX), leaving the muzzle at 3,450, will do to a hog's heart, a 180 pound sow at 185 yds.

DF

Great picture DF!! I haven't tried anything lighter than 130 in my 264... Yet.

That was out of a 26 Nos. With monometals, light and fast seems to be the ticket. The only reason I'd go with monometal 130's in the 26 Nos would be bigger critters.

But for elk, etc, I'd probably be shooting 168 TTSX's in my .300 WM, not that a 130 TTSX out of the 26 Nos wouldn't bust one.

I guess I'm too old fashioned...

DF

I set up my 264 with 140 AB's at 3180 for elk. He never got to hunt, but I can't see how that would have been bad in anyway for elk. It is a flat shooting load and penetrates very well in my testing. Almost mimics the 300 RUM with 200 AB's with a little less energy of course.

Yeah, that would work.

140 NAB's in the 26 Nos do very well, too.

I just got off on the monometals because they shot so well at hypervel. and I wasn't worried about them blowing up.

DF

Part one in the opening thread...

Bump for some great R&D

Excellent work. A BIG "Thank you".

Confirms what I have been seeing out of my 260 loaded with 140 NABs. They've performed well for me.

Don't have the bullet, it kept going.

Here's the hog, but at 3,450 fps out of a 26 Nosler.

DF

Unfortunately alot of the pics no longer show......but the info is here.

Seems appropriate to bump this up for folks asking about bullet choices in the Creemoor and other 6.5s.

also Part 1....

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4769172/1

Bumped - hoping that you re-upload the images of your tests on a new (https://postimages.org/)? site.




GR