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Stick,

I believe I have barrowed your quote and humbly beg your pardon for the transgression. The quote however is thought provoking and I feel deserving of some more discussion among the knowledgable forum members given your permission of course. Also thank you kindly for the advise in the optics thread it is much appreciated. I've decided to trip the Sako simply due to it is compromised for my intended use. I feel after some research that the Fixed 6 MQ is likely a mismatch for the 270 application. The 6 MQ it appears shines at 400 and beyond however I feel the 270 shines mostly at 300 and closer. I'm a close pay attentioner and I think I remember you saying some thing about a 162 A-MAX leaving the barrel at around 2700. I'm thinking 7mm-08

This statement if I got it correct sets up at least one part of what I hope to discuss in this thread. I am under the assumption that the reason for the 2700 number is that you intend on useing this bullet for close and way out there. I've crunched some numbers and it certainly seem realistic if the 162 performs as one would like at 2700 ish velocities up close. I've never tried it however am assuming you likely have on more than one occasion. If this concept works well the versatility factor would be increased by a wide margin.

The other side of the bullets and headstamps theory in my mind is am I better off sticking with rifles for two intended purposes. For example I have a tikka T3 270 that Ive loaded with a 150 partition leaving the muzzle at 2830 ish. I feel very confident taking a shoulder shot on an elk out to around 400 yds. The flip side would be perhaps a 7mm-08 loaded with a 162 A-MAX at 2700. There is little doubt in my mind that the 162 would likely perform better at 400-600 ish yds.

I havent crunched the numbers however assume the 162 leaving at 150 fps slower than the 270 150 partition at 300 yds has likely caught up and rapidly outrunning the partition and with 10 more grains of bullet designed to expand very well at 2350 ish velocities all the way down to 1600 or so which brings one well beyond the 600 yd line.


I think I know which way I'm leaning however there is sometimes wisdom in the multitude of council so I'd like to hear others experience and thoughts. Not just on the example I have cited but on the theory in general. Are short range bullet becoming obsolete or perhaps lacking in versatility?




THANKS MUCH









FOREST

You quote him, you direct the message to him and then ask for the opinion of others.

Tag/future entertainment...

Dave,

It is a given that one needs not ask for opinions around here. Opinions are readily given and often far from the given subject.

We really have no idea where this thread may go.

I was thinking popcorn around 8:30 ish however decided crown and coke may be more appropriate.




FOREST

In the amount of time you spent writing that post, you could have run the numbers yourself.

That aside, comparing the usefulness of two cartridges in your manner is quite a strawman. Give the 270 a VLD type bullet if you want to be fair. Using a Partition is a hatchet job.

Ditto........

Do people really say "ish?"



P

Obviously I spent more time writing it than you did reading it. My post is not about comparing the 270 partition to the 162 A-MAX.

Read it one more time ( SLOWLY )


This statement if I got it correct sets up at least one part of what I hope to discuss in this thread. I am under the assumption that the reason for the 2700 number is that you intend on useing this bullet for close and way out there.I've crunched some numbers and it certainly seem realistic if the 162 performs as one would like at 2700 ish velocities up close. I've never tried it however am assuming you likely have on more than one occasion. If this concept works well the versatility factor would be increased by a wide margin.

The other side of the bullets and headstamps theory in my mind is am I better off sticking with rifles for two intended purposes.

Are short range bullet becoming obsolete or perhaps lacking in versatility?



FOREST

Which one of the old trolls are you in this new "Forest" wrapping?

My guess is WET

Well, I was about to say a 130gr Accubond at 3200 ish would beat both, but I could save two letters and say ~3200

How does your not reading my post make me a Troll

If you dont like this thread go find another. A troll is someone who follows someone around. Right now I'm not following you. YOUR following me..... on my thread. CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING POSITIVE OR BEAT IT





FOREST

I'm glad you're back, WET. I was wondering what happened to you. How did the Cermalube experiments go?

Here's a cross-section of impact velocities.

2260 and 1965fps impact...

162 on elk linky



2530 impact, caught under offside hide after smashing onside humerus...





3015 impact, exit wound






When running MV's up there beyond 3000, if there's a good possibility of a lengthwise shot at spitting distance, I'll carry a mag-full of 140 TTSX bullets, with a few 162's in a pocket in case of a LR opportunity with ample time to set up. If starting them out at ~2750, then I've not seen a need to rely on other bullets for close shots, since IV's won't be very strenuous on the 162.

Thanks Jordan,

The real life experience is much appreciated. I am always open to listening to ones who have been there and done it. I'm looking forward to both the positive experiences and negative.

About the only thing that does'nt interest me is someone standing in a snowbank up to there belly giving advice on something they likely havent tried.



FOREST

Bullet placement trumps bullet type and head stamp.

So far this year I shot a moose at about 80 yards and an elk at 360 yards( lasered ) , 180 gr Nosler PT,.06 at about 2700fps MV.. Elk went about 15 yards, moose went about 15 feet

Great bullets and great placement trumps all.

Let's see FOREST registers on 10-5-15 and Posts on the wrong FORUM to Big Stick!

How far is too far?

You can't figure out how to make a 150gr Partition work to 600 yards?

Then I submit you shouldn't be using game bullets that far and stick to shooting steel and paper!!


Mike

WET has to say "ish" on the velocity.

He doesn't know how to set up a chronograph.

run, forest, run......

WETish

Now,that's FUNNY!