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Just think if either Flave or ND had somehow managed to slip into their posts that they could use a little "financial support" due to boozing and losing $1500 on the fake truck deal...

Wow, the checks would have been rolling in by now!

I always wondered how the people who call from some hell-hole in Asia manage to sucker Americans into giving them money. Now I know how it works! smile




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Originally Posted by curdog4570
FWIW...... N.D. and Shrapnel didn't belong on Travis's original apology post.

It only covered those who Travis felt he had wronged ON THIS FORUM.

Wrongs done to others, IN THE REAL WORLD, will be dealt with separately. Those require AMENDS, not just apologies.

So far, Travis has behaved exactly like a new AA member would behave if he is sincere in staying sober.

I wish him well.


True enough....which is why he would have contacted them about these matters before his internet apology post.

If someone sincerely and personally apologized to you....would you then air it on an internet forum, like ND and Shrap have done?

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Originally Posted by tzone
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Gaaaaaaawwwwwwwd you guys must hate it when I'm right. Sucks to be gullible huh?


Don't know if you're Right or wrong, but you still seem to be an ass hole



Thought I'd flush out his sincerity by posting my grievances, and of course... silence. No PM, no nothing. That's because this whole thing is BS. And you guys fall for it, AGAIN.



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I've talked to Shrap a few times, and he is as stand up as there is. Man of true integrity. I don't know if Flave is pissing in his cheerios or truely on the mend, but sounds to me like he's certainly reached the bottom with people who have character and would do what they could to help him. That takes a lot. I hope he keeps moving forward. I agree with curdog. Travis has plenty of amends to make.


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Originally Posted by shrapnel
I was told a long time ago by a good friend to "always take the high road". It has been sound advice and I have tried to adhere to it. To pile on to this thread is senseless, but I couldn't be quiet any longer after Northern Dave chimed in.

I had been in Havre last December, bird hunting with Travis and we actually did look at a couple of old farm vehicles that he said he was partnering with Dave to get restored. I paid no attention to it, that was their business, until Dave comes up short on the deposit money.

My disconnect with Travis was finally realizing the loss of genuine friendship when he took advantage of a couple of deals we had going. I did get paid for any guns I got for him, but worse than money is the abuse of a friendship.

I had taken Travis to my prairie dog hunting spot, which is on a private ranch about 200 miles away from where I live. We have had several Prairie Dog Invitationals at that ranch and those that were there can admit that we had an awesome time.

What I didn't know was that Travis had brought some of his buddies from Havre back to that spot without me knowing it. It is very remote and my chances of finding out were minimal at best and I didn't even consider that happening in the first place.

I got a call from Randy, who owns the ranch and he was pretty upset, because he had some antelope hunters on his property last fall and Travis and his buddies had gone onto his property and set up benches and shot prairie dogs without permission. I didn't believe it was Travis until Randy described the vehicle that was there and it was Travis.

I can still shoot prairie dogs, but I damn near lost it due to Travis and his buddies not only interrupting the antelope hunters, but leaving some beer cans near the old homestead building.

I have to admit I was fooled, I dropped Travis's signature line a few months back because of his unsettled behavior. Now for him to ask for forgiveness, may be genuine, may be a ruse, but I am done taking chances.

I hope the best for his family, but as for Travis, I think he really need more help than he is ever going to get here...




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If I told you;"Hey, I'm real sorry about that hundred bucks I screwed you out of," would you think we were even?

In step 8, we "Made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all."

Travis is working from a list. The 'fire in general and a few of us in particular are on that list.

His O P allowed him to mark one item off his list.

It's not a bad idea to get the easy ones out of the way first, and this was an easy one.

You can bet that list is pretty damn long, and simple apologies won't cover most of the names on the list.

To attain, and maintain, sobriety, Travis must come to believe, and continue to believe, that "To drink is to die."

So, this little tempest in a teapot amounts to nothing.

And... what you and I believe about his situation amounts to nothing, either.

Have a good day.


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I don't know about that Ron.....I'd think that those who were magnanimous enough to offer their honest support would also be the kind that are big enough to laugh at themselves when it all washes out......
The only real looser as far as I can see is FB2 but he was likely a looser all along....

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Originally Posted by FieldGrade

The only real looser as far as I can see is FB2 but he was likely a looser all along....


I was looser when I was younger.


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Consider these two possible scenarios:

(1)'flave is indeed on hard times and universally apologizes to everyone he wronged....which compels his 2 closest internet friends to suddenly chime in concerning 'flaves past misdeeds.....on the internet.....after all this time.

(2)or.....they are accomplis' on a sympathy/support hoax.

What does either scenario say about their true character?

They're either piling on a man when he is down......or contributing to a classless hoax.

Lose/lose.





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Originally Posted by Lonny
Just think if either Flave or ND had somehow managed to slip into their posts that they could use a little "financial support" due to boozing and losing $1500 on the fake truck deal...

Wow, the checks would have been rolling in by now!

I always wondered how the people who call from some hell-hole in Asia manage to sucker Americans into giving them money. Now I now how it works! smile





I see a pizza shop fundraiser in the near future!

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Originally Posted by Fireball2
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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Gaaaaaaawwwwwwwd you guys must hate it when I'm right. Sucks to be gullible huh?


Don't know if you're Right or wrong, but you still seem to be an ass hole



Thought I'd flush out his sincerity by posting my grievances, and of course... silence. No PM, no nothing. That's because this whole thing is BS. And you guys fall for it, AGAIN.



Sounds like you're butt hurt that he thinks you're an ass even though he's a drunk.


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Originally Posted by tzone
Originally Posted by Fireball2
Originally Posted by tzone
Originally Posted by Fireball2
Gaaaaaaawwwwwwwd you guys must hate it when I'm right. Sucks to be gullible huh?


Don't know if you're Right or wrong, but you still seem to be an ass hole



Thought I'd flush out his sincerity by posting my grievances, and of course... silence. No PM, no nothing. That's because this whole thing is BS. And you guys fall for it, AGAIN.



Sounds like you're butt hurt that he thinks you're an ass even though he's a drunk.


A few people here have earned my trust and respect. Travis isn't one of them.


And for the record, them agreeing with me is not the #1 criteria of whether I choose to respect them or not.


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I lost my alcoholic brother several years ago, as he was involved in a traffic accident. These types of things are not a laughing/joking matter with me.


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I NEED a beer after reading the past 13 pages...


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Originally Posted by atvalaska
I NEED a beer after reading the past 13 pages...


It's whiskey Wednesday, SALUTE!


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Hate to be a nitpicker but looser is only one o.....


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Originally Posted by Fireball2

I look at it this way, either I'm right and he's a shameless prankster and all of you chumps fell for it, AGAIN, or I'm wrong and he's a flaming azzhole and an abusive alcoholic. I don't think I'll lose any sleep over it either way.

Have you looked at it THIS way - no either/or - he's both?


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by atvalaska
I NEED a beer after reading the past 13 pages...


It's whiskey Wednesday, SALUTE!


WOO-HOO
Gonna break out some Mitchers US 1 this evening then.


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Evening?


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Evening?


I have a 'no drinking' policy at work and have found that my employees don't take it very well when I break this rule without sharing. wink


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