As many of you know I've had a problem with alcohol for some time. And as some of you know this problem came to a head about a month or so ago when I not only lost some very close friends, but I also came very close to losing my family.
To make a long story short, the situation I was in caused me to reflect on what the root issue of all my problems truly are. It came down to two things:
1.) Myself. 2.) Alcohol.
This was not any easy thing to admit but once I admitted it, the changes (all for the better) started unfolding.
I am on my way to recovery and I thought that I had apologized to everybody that I had hurt in the past. Until I was visiting with an individual that attends the same AA meetings I do. He had mentioned that he logged onto Facebook and apologized to all the people he had never met, but assuredly offended and attacked while intoxicated. Initially I didn't think anything of his comment until I realized that even though this isn't Facebook, there are still real people with real names and real families that I have attacked on this forum.
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason. I know now that even though we may still disagree on some topics, I didn't attack them because of what I thought of them. I attacked them because of what I thought of myself.
This list may not be all inclusive but this is the best list I could compile after a great deal of thought and reflection:
Kevin Gibson JeffO Take a Knee Gunwizard Curdog RobJordan bigsqueeze djs
I would like to apologize to each and every one of the people I listed above. I don't expect all of you to forgive me and I don't expect all of you to accept my apology but I wanted to apologize regardless. Again, some of the things I wrote to all of you were more than just two people disagreeing. They were purposely hateful, and I apologize.
Last but not least I would like to apologize to Mr. Rick Bin. I've used his business to tear others down, when I should have been trying to build my life back up. I've blatantly disregarded his rules in an attempt to make others feel bad, so I could feel good.
I am sorry.
I will more than likely continue to post here if I feel I can help somebody with a question, but I will be posting far less than I have in the past. As anybody that has struggled with this illness knows, there are certain "triggers" I have to avoid right now and posting online is one of them.
If you feel I had slighted you in the past, please PM me. I don't want this post/thread to turn into a pissing match. I only want those that I listed to know how I feel.
seriously though, you seem like a good guy with a quick wit. hopefully being sober won't ruin it. we all know how sickening it is to be around reformed drunks.
Good to hear from you. Have been watching your posts hoping to see you return. Funny how this thing works that one gets to know someone he has never met. Anyhow, join in as much as is comfortable, but take care of your self first. It takes a good person to come back and make amends like you did. Happy Easter, best wishes and God bless.
When you first told me about your problems, I was really concerned that you would not be able to save your awesome little family. I am so glad to hear that you are sticking with this.
Got a family tree littered with alcoholics including my brother and cousin who is like a brother. We had the exact same drinking habits as teenagers back in the '70's; pretty much to unconsciousness most weekends. Next morning first thing they would do is check the fridge to see if there was any beer left, not me, ya couldn't pay me to drink just then.
That weren't willpower on my part, just preference, they both craved alcohol and I didn't. Long way of saying that I believe genetics plays a big part in it.
FWIW both of 'em have been clean and sober for decades now, and both still go to meetings.
Anyways Travis, I am happy for you that you seen what was happening before you lost everything.
During this election season there has been too much arguing and sniping on this forum. We need all the help we can get when it comes to a quick wit and sense of humor. You have both in spades.
I always figured you were a better man than what you displayed on the Fire. Congratulations on your positive steps toward bringing the better you to the surface.
You are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness. Your whole attitude and outlook toward life will change. You will not regret the past or wish to shut the door on it. And you'll soon realize that God is doing for you that which you could not do for yourself.
I am pumped to hear that you are doing better and have developed a game plan on recovery. I am pulling for you and wish you and your family all the best. Prayers and good wishes for all of you.
I have a good idea of what you are going through, and admitting it is a big step. I come from a family of alcoholics, some worse than others, and some that died from it. Many years a i had a highway patrol sponsored class on addictions. He asked us how much we drank. I said about two liters of bourbon a week on average, but never missed work. He said I couldn't stop drinking, which aggravated me to know end. Couple of weeks later the deer hunting trip where booze flowed liberally and i decided not to drink to see if he was right. About six months later i remembered i hadn't had a drink, took one and didn't like it really. That was 30 years or more ago, and i have one drink generally, which is one ounce of bouron in coke on the fourth of july, and my dad's birthday. I was not programmed genetically for it to be an addiction. My cousins are a different story, as my uncles etc. I had a really good friend who died a couple of years ago, he fought this battle, and with the support of family he walked away from it. But he never stopped wanting a drink. it is a hard battle and all i am trying to say is those of us familar with it no how hard it is, and how hard public admission is. Via con dios.
Good job Travis. For a guy that needs it, there's no bigger benefit than getting sober. As long as you don't get "well", your life will keep getting better!
Good man, not only for admitting your faults, but seeing inside yourself enough to recognize what needed to change. Step 9 is probably the most difficult, following Step 1.
You could just wait until you got old,..and two drinks makes you snooze off in the recliner then wake up 90 minutes later grumpy and with a headache. It gets pretty self limiting at that point.
My parents are alcoholics, grandparents were alcoholics, aunt is alcoholic, cousin is alcoholic...and people wonder why I don't drink. Word of advice...find friends that don't drink either. Makes life easier...
Well, IF this isn't his most elaborate con yet and IF it's sincere then I wish Trav good luck on his journey and hope all works out well. (Little suspicious, though.... )
Travis I'm glad you are still coming around here. It takes some moxie to own your mistakes. Good on you.
You (and basically everyone who reads this) may find some inspiration through a group called "Team NDCQ" the web site is ndcq dot com and it was started by a guy named Mac who's facing brain cancer. He has faced many things with the attitude that he will never quit. Sometimes it's having that attitude that makes you pick yourself up and continue when you know quitting would be easier.
Good that you are here. I never knew of, or even suspected, your problem with alchohol and admire the steps you are taking. You have my prayers and wishes for every success in gaining a great life. If ever you think I can help you, simply let me know.
Good to have you back Travis. Have to admit that your humor is one of the main reasons I stay tuned to this channel. Good Luck Bud. A lot of people on here got your six.
I've never met you but I don't doubt we'd get along great in person. Your heartfelt post seems to prove that you will be successful in your recovery. I'm praying for your recovery and for healing for you and your family. May God bless you and guide you through your recovery. I don't drink like I did when I was younger (thank God) and feel great. Not drinking gets easier as do mornings and bowel movements. 😬
This. But I would like to add that even though I do not believe you ever attacked or offended me in any way you have my forgiveness. More than that you have my prayers and support. I am one who thinks you are a great guy and hope to see you posting when you are ready.
Stay Busy. From Morning to Night, don't have an Idle Moment. By that I mean staying physically Busy. Sweat that [bleep] out of your system. That's what worked for Me 28 Years ago.
It all fun and games until it ain't. While I know the good times, I wouldn't wish the life, or lack of it, on anyone via alcohol struggles. Have tried to raise my boys well in spite of it - and suffer in the city at the moment to try and keep the ship upright. But I'd give up anything I own to have one of my best friends back again......and seeing him go as his organs failed and his family fell apart is not something I ever hope to watch firsthand again.
BTW, your sense of humor is something I understand well; rarely seen it as too much, though I can see where it might have been. It's a good man who will admit his faults and make amends. Good For You!
But work keeps me busy enough that I only drink at home or dicking off close to home out in the hills.
Used to love whiskey but came to the conclusion that I don't have enough self control for the stuff.
Boredom is half of it(winter is the worst...), being a happy drunk is the other. If beer didn't make me one happy fuucker I wouldn't touch it. (and I only drink when I'm in a good mood, which is about everyday...grin)
You treated a lot of people like crap but I do wish you well in your recovery. You actually are a funny guy and can make this place a lot more fun. Good luck.
Good on you for coming out publicly with this. It shows true character and courage. Someone very close to me just went through alcohol rehab at Shick Shadel hospital in Seattle and has become an entirely new person.
I applaud anyone who fights through alcohol addiction and illness. Those who love and need you appreciate that fight.
Good to hear from you and hear that you are doing well. I've got enough drunken alcoholic family stories for a lifetime. Swore I'd never be like my father....you're on a very good, but tough road, but it takes a hell of a lot of fortitude to have done what you've already accomplished.
I'm a phone call or a PM away if you ever need anything.
thought a lot of your posts were off color but we have all fallen somewhere along the line , the fact that you can come on and ask for forgiveness is the start of rebuiling your self and family,both my dad and brother were alcaholics so I have an idea what you are going through. though you did not hurt me personally i can forgive and forget and pray that the wagon holds steady it can be so easy to fall of .
I been stuck on step 2.5 for 27 damn years,...and that's only on Wednesday.
I generally regress back to step 1 on Saturdays.
I read the Blue Book on the toilet ever now and then, but I've yet to find the chapter that deals with havin' to spend 10 years workin' fer the Japanese.
But seriously,..I don't mean to discourage anybody.
No matter what it is, if it's causing problems you need to give it up,...A horny fat woman next door, or a moonshiner 2 blocks over,...or,..a horny fat woman that's also a moonshiner,,...(be damn if that wouldn't wreck a life)
But in any event,... live the life that fits you and yours.
That took some serious courage right there. Good on ya, sir. Just do not lose your sense of humor, ever, please. It's a damn good one, as many have already mentioned, and it will help you through whatever all you're going to face as you move forward.
But work keeps me busy enough that I only drink at home or dicking off close to home out in the hills.
Used to love whiskey but came to the conclusion that I don't have enough self control for the stuff.
Boredom is half of it(winter is the worst...), being a happy drunk is the other. If beer didn't make me one happy fuucker I wouldn't touch it. (and I only drink when I'm in a good mood, which is about everyday...grin)
Travis, it takes a real man with real courage to fess up and admit your mistakes. And to do something about it. Your on the right path. I'm confident that you can do it. Do it for those great kids that you have! They deserve it! I can tell by your posts that there is a good Dad in there somewhere! May God bless you and your Family!
My best hunting buddy went through this last year. He lost everything to his addiction, his wife, house and all his friends including me and his liver is failing him.
I have a complete understanding of what you are going through. You will make it through this as you have so many people here on the fire that think the world of you.
I ran a 12-step program for a couple of years, met a bunch of great folk and was in awe of several. It takes humility to say "I can't get over this by myself" and perhaps most importantly, it takes an understanding that you must not ever think, "Just one little one won't hurt". One little one is how it started.
I'm pulling for ya Travis. Welcome to a new world. A wise man taught me that if you ever take another drink, they might as well bury you with a bottle. Because it will surely take you to an earlier grave. Looking at it that way gives me the determination to never have another drink.
Stay strong buddy. It'll all work out for you. Soooo glad you've seen the light. Now, gfy, and get outside, and enjoy your world through different eyes. Rats ought a be out by now !!!
I guess you could have thrown me into the social beer drinker club in my not too distant past. Never really had the constant desire to have alcohol. Figured out what I really loved was the social part and thought I needed beer as an ingredient to socialize. After awhile, I felt like a sucker on the hook watching the stupidity of alcohol related marketing and the party appeal. Funny how we are saturated with upside of a party life, but none of the alcohol/etc. marketing fills us in on the other aspects like incapacitating hangovers, dealing with stupid drunks, fighting, jail, DUI's and there costs, and all the money we literally piss down the drain from alcohol alone. When I began to add it up it really was a small ROI for the tolls you are exacted to keep drinking.
Then I turned forty and the not so friendly physical changes came with it. Alcohol began to be a major problem with exacerbating some of the small ailments I have been dealing with, even in small amounts, so I dropped drinking any alcohol all together. Trust me, it won't be long and you won't miss it.
I guess this is a long way of saying you're not alone, listen to your body (I promise it doesn't like the stuff from a health standpoint). Listen and love on your family and friends, the ones worthwhile will support you! I've enjoyed your wit and humor and don't believe for a second that will change at all, except you're going to become a much more pleasant human being to be around. Dude, there is nothing that beats a healthy and sober life!
Best wishes to you in your road to recovery... a LIFE LONG effort.
And though you may have lost friends and created enemies, it takes a lot of balls to admit your errors, tell your hidden secrets and make a humble apology to your friends and to the world.
Take it one week, one day, one minute at a time and you can do it.
I guess you could have thrown me into the social beer drinker club in my not too distant past. Never really had the constant desire to have alcohol. Figured out what I really loved was the social part and thought I needed beer as an ingredient to socialize. After awhile, I felt like a sucker on the hook watching the stupidity of alcohol related marketing and the party appeal. Funny how we are saturated with upside of a party life, but none of the alcohol/etc. marketing fills us in on the other aspects like incapacitating hangovers, dealing with stupid drunks, fighting, jail, DUI's and there costs, and all the money we literally piss down the drain from alcohol alone. When I began to add it up it really was a small ROI for the tolls you are exacted to keep drinking.
Then I turned forty and the not so friendly physical changes came with it. Alcohol began to be a major problem with exacerbating some of the small ailments I have been dealing with, even in small amounts, so I dropped drinking any alcohol all together. Trust me, it won't be long and you won't miss it.
I guess this is a long way of saying you're not alone, listen to your body (I promise it doesn't like the stuff from a health standpoint). Listen and love on your family and friends, the ones worthwhile will support you! I've enjoyed your wit and humor and don't believe for a second that will change at all, except you're going to become a much more pleasant human being to be around. Dude, there is nothing that beats a healthy and sober life!
Best of luck, prayers and a healthy Good For You!
That was me forty years ago when I finally got sick of the life, It took about three years to get my life straightened out, but the last 37 have been great.
'Member them cute little sayings grandma used to say? One's like "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"? Well, there's a reason they think our generation is dumber than theirs...
Never been fooled by Travis's sheit, but been on the receiving end of his runnin' his mouth, playin the cute man. There's a line where cute and funny goes, where it ain't.
When I had problems with my marriage, he was right there to kick me when I was down. I don't forget sheit like that. Same with Steelhead. Steelhead promised "He's done", but time tells that tale, not one word and done.
And as far as forgiveness goes, I give it easily to people that I believe are sincere about wanting it. Steelhead has shown a lot of restraint, and has earned my respect for it. I don't think Scott has changed one thing about how he feels towards me, but made a decision to change the way he acts anyway. I can really respect a man for that. Travis isn't there. I was taught a man earns respect, and he hasn't.
Never had a problem with you but but don't think your post could have said it better to those you believe have. Best wishes, hope it works for you and your family.
My best to you Travis. Remember the only two things worth fighting for are God and Family...so fight hard! I know how tough it can be. It will only be worth it in the end if you do fight like no other.
About 25 years ago, my ship pulled into Greece and after some of my coworkers "helped" me drink about a dozen shots of real Ouzo, I found myself in a street fight with 4 shore patrol guys. The next morning, I was standing at attention in front of the man and in hack for 4 months. I learned that me + a lot of liquor = bad things. So if and when I talk about having a few cold ones, it's just an expression. It actually hasn't been as hard as I thought. Good luck.
As many of you know I've had a problem with alcohol for some time. And as some of you know this problem came to a head about a month or so ago when I not only lost some very close friends, but I also came very close to losing my family.
To make a long story short, the situation I was in caused me to reflect on what the root issue of all my problems truly are. It came down to two things:
1.) Myself. 2.) Alcohol.
This was not any easy thing to admit but once I admitted it, the changes (all for the better) started unfolding.
I am on my way to recovery and I thought that I had apologized to everybody that I had hurt in the past. Until I was visiting with an individual that attends the same AA meetings I do. He had mentioned that he logged onto Facebook and apologized to all the people he had never met, but assuredly offended and attacked while intoxicated. Initially I didn't think anything of his comment until I realized that even though this isn't Facebook, there are still real people with real names and real families that I have attacked on this forum.
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason. I know now that even though we may still disagree on some topics, I didn't attack them because of what I thought of them. I attacked them because of what I thought of myself.
This list may not be all inclusive but this is the best list I could compile after a great deal of thought and reflection:
Kevin Gibson JeffO Take a Knee Gunwizard Curdog RobJordan bigsqueeze djs
I would like to apologize to each and every one of the people I listed above. I don't expect all of you to forgive me and I don't expect all of you to accept my apology but I wanted to apologize regardless. Again, some of the things I wrote to all of you were more than just two people disagreeing. They were purposely hateful, and I apologize.
Last but not least I would like to apologize to Mr. Rick Bin. I've used his business to tear others down, when I should have been trying to build my life back up. I've blatantly disregarded his rules in an attempt to make others feel bad, so I could feel good.
I am sorry.
I will more than likely continue to post here if I feel I can help somebody with a question, but I will be posting far less than I have in the past. As anybody that has struggled with this illness knows, there are certain "triggers" I have to avoid right now and posting online is one of them.
If you feel I had slighted you in the past, please PM me. I don't want this post/thread to turn into a pissing match. I only want those that I listed to know how I feel.
Thank you and Happy Easter to all,
Travis
Dont give up man, I mean it.
We havent even got drunk and shot rock chucks together yet..
If this is a joke it is on him. I will do what is right and try to help a person when they are down. My efforts are my own, and anything lost through those efforts was freely given.
To make a long story short, the situation I was in caused me to reflect on what the root issue of all my problems truly are. It came down to two things:
1.) Myself. Problem 2.) Alcohol. Symptom
Travis
If you're on the level...talk to your sponsor before you post another If you're on the level...good sponsorship makes a difference If you're on the level....good luck
Congratulations for doing the right thing in the midst of adversity. 12 steps. Keep walking man, keep walking. Those 12 steps have worked for thousands and can work for you. Just keep on keeping on.
Those here who are mocking and showing pictures or talking about drinking and doing so in poor taste. I am willing to bet this is not a big scam but even if it is it is still is poor taste at the best. If I am right and this is real then you are stabbing a good man in the back when what he need is help.
Those here who are mocking and showing pictures or talking about drinking and doing so in poor taste. I am willing to bet this is not a big scam but even if it is it is still is poor taste at the best. If I am right and this is real then you are stabbing a good man in the back when what he need is help.
Some of those mocking may have the same problem as Travis. They just may not have the strength or balls to admit it so they feel the need mock and ridicule someone stronger than themselves. Sad.
Those here who are mocking and showing pictures or talking about drinking and doing so in poor taste. I am willing to bet this is not a big scam but even if it is it is still is poor taste at the best. If I am right and this is real then you are stabbing a good man in the back when what he need is help.
Some of those mocking may have the same problem as Travis. They just may not have the strength or balls to admit it so they feel the need mock and ridicule someone stronger than themselves. Sad.
Well, part of learning to live sober is learning how to live in the world as it is. So I guess these a-holes are giving Travis a lesson... The world is full of a**holes, and you are not likely to change them.
No intention to mock here, I hope his post is for real, but past experience has me convinced that if someone wants me to believe in change, don't tell me about it, show me. Time will tell.
Those here who are mocking and showing pictures or talking about drinking and doing so in poor taste. I am willing to bet this is not a big scam but even if it is it is still is poor taste at the best. If I am right and this is real then you are stabbing a good man in the back when what he need is help.
Some of those mocking may have the same problem as Travis. They just may not have the strength or balls to admit it so they feel the need mock and ridicule someone stronger than themselves. Sad.
This, +1.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet, Travis, when you quit drinking you discover that the "friends" you had were not really friends in many cases, just drinking buddies glad to have someone to drag down with them. You will develop a whole new set of friends and be glad you did. This was certainly the case for me when I quit almost 25 years ago, almost all my drinking buddies are dead now from the effects, one way or another.
I also discovered I had ever so much more money to spend on guns, which I immediately started doing and haven't stopped yet.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet, Travis, when you quit drinking you discover that the "friends" you had were not really friends in many cases, just drinking buddies glad to have someone to drag down with them. You will develop a whole new set of friends and be glad you did. This was certainly the case for me when I quit almost 25 years ago, almost all my drinking buddies are dead now from the effects, one way or another.
I also discovered I had ever so much more money to spend on guns, which I immediately started doing and haven't stopped yet.
Best wishes Travis. Some may think this is an elaborate joke given your sense of humor but I don't really care if you're pulling our leg, best wishes all the same.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet, Travis, when you quit drinking you discover that the "friends" you had were not really friends in many cases, just drinking buddies glad to have someone to drag down with them. You will develop a whole new set of friends and be glad you did. This was certainly the case for me when I quit almost 25 years ago, almost all my drinking buddies are dead now from the effects, one way or another.
I also discovered I had ever so much more money to spend on guns, which I immediately started doing and haven't stopped yet.
Agree completely. been 24 years for me, and it definitely gets better. I know that I can decide to drink tomorrow, but I honestly can't imagine it. If you are still thinking you were having fun, you're probably not ready yet.
As many of you know I've had a problem with alcohol for some time. And as some of you know this problem came to a head about a month or so ago when I not only lost some very close friends, but I also came very close to losing my family.
To make a long story short, the situation I was in caused me to reflect on what the root issue of all my problems truly are. It came down to two things:
1.) Myself. 2.) Alcohol.
This was not any easy thing to admit but once I admitted it, the changes (all for the better) started unfolding.
I am on my way to recovery and I thought that I had apologized to everybody that I had hurt in the past. Until I was visiting with an individual that attends the same AA meetings I do. He had mentioned that he logged onto Facebook and apologized to all the people he had never met, but assuredly offended and attacked while intoxicated. Initially I didn't think anything of his comment until I realized that even though this isn't Facebook, there are still real people with real names and real families that I have attacked on this forum.
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason. I know now that even though we may still disagree on some topics, I didn't attack them because of what I thought of them. I attacked them because of what I thought of myself.
This list may not be all inclusive but this is the best list I could compile after a great deal of thought and reflection:
Kevin Gibson JeffO Take a Knee Gunwizard Curdog RobJordan bigsqueeze djs
I would like to apologize to each and every one of the people I listed above. I don't expect all of you to forgive me and I don't expect all of you to accept my apology but I wanted to apologize regardless. Again, some of the things I wrote to all of you were more than just two people disagreeing. They were purposely hateful, and I apologize.
Last but not least I would like to apologize to Mr. Rick Bin. I've used his business to tear others down, when I should have been trying to build my life back up. I've blatantly disregarded his rules in an attempt to make others feel bad, so I could feel good.
I am sorry.
I will more than likely continue to post here if I feel I can help somebody with a question, but I will be posting far less than I have in the past. As anybody that has struggled with this illness knows, there are certain "triggers" I have to avoid right now and posting online is one of them.
If you feel I had slighted you in the past, please PM me. I don't want this post/thread to turn into a pissing match. I only want those that I listed to know how I feel.
Thank you and Happy Easter to all,
Travis
Trav, when I came back after being gone for 3 years I immediately noticed that a few guys I'd enjoyed interacting with in the past had acquired a real edge. You were one... I don't want to get too damn mushy here <g>, but I was honestly concerned that there was some dark [bleep] happening in your life and that the edge was the outward manifestation of that.
I've certainly had stretches in my life where I drank way too much and I suspect most of us here could make that statement. I think there's more understanding and empathy for your situation than you could imagine. Certainly is from me. On top of THAT, take it from someone a mile or two ahead of you on the life path-- the late 30's are an angsty, tough time... I didn't really realize how tough till I was past them. The toughEST time, in my experience. Get your head back on straight, grin and bear it, and I promise you, things are gonna get better.
Apology accepted without reservation or condition and when you do come back, don't feel like you gotta be on eggshells towards me; I have gained enough wisdom in my advancing years to know I need a good dope-slap from time to time and you are certainly good at that.
from the infamous Safariman murdered father thread: Originally Posted By Rusty-Gunn As a Born Again Baptisted Christian I too believe your Dad is indeed in Heaven. Earth is temporary, Heaven is forever. I am a retired alcohol/drug councelor. Addiction is a tough thing for most to overcome. Some addicts I am personally aware of (my wife included) do recover and remain clean. This is the hope yout Dad saw. He held to this hope. We all should. Hope is a good thing. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your's.
Do any of you people just stop drinking or snorting coke in excess, and just move on with your fugking life?
After the car ran me over I had to spend a lot of time in a hospital bed. It cured me and I was drinking 12 triple Goldens a day some days. That's 6 bucks a beer roughly and 9 percent. Since then have had one or two but it didn't taste right. Seem to have lost the taste which is fine. I don't recommend this path though.
Short, sweet, and my sentiments 100%. It takes a big man to admit weakness and do something about it.
Prayers sent your way Travis. Keep up the good work!
This. Travis isn't going to joke about damned near losing his family.
Yeah, that's my stance as well.
Good luck Travis.
Add me to this thought chain. A man doesn't joke about losing his family.
I don't know Travis but do know alcoholics. My best buddy from grade school on up acquired a drinking problem. In a span of 1 week, he lost job (fired), truck (wreck), and wife (left). You could say he hit rock bottom. He's also been sober for 20+ years.
I've lost 2 really good friends and a brother in law to drinking and driving. I really miss my buddy Lou. None of these guys could admit they had a problem.
Coming to grips with reality is the toughest mountain to climb. Sounds like you are well on your way. Keep climbing. We all have something to climb for as well.
Not to drag this thread off course, but it's pretty damn easy for me to see who I would and would not hang out and/or spend time with. I understand that not everyone is going to agree with others, especially given the range of topics here, but character shows through and I'm getting old enough that I don't care to invest what time I have left on this earth with those who choose to be azzholes.
Don't anyone believe this crap. He is an [bleep] that's proud of being an [bleep]. Rick, you can ban me if you want, I don't care. I don't sign in a lot anymore, and don't because of this jackass.
Don't anyone believe this crap. He is an [bleep] that's proud of being an [bleep]. Rick, you can ban me if you want, I don't care. I don't sign in a lot anymore, and don't because of this jackass.
-tom
If you got banned for being honest I'll go with you.
Travis keep your head up. Take care of your family. Everything else will fall into place. I believe you are a good guy. Never met you, but hope we can shoot, hunt, cast a line, or whatever else outdoors when I get back to the states. You are always more then welcome at my place in the Bitterroot! Addiction is a tough battle doesn't matter what the addiction is. I think I can speak for everyone on here we are all behind you and if we can help in anyway I believe we all will. Take care.
Damn! It is alarming at how many folks have been down this road. I wish everyone, with these struggles, much success and I will say a prayer for all.
As well.
The timing is suspect on this one. I enjoyed 'Flave's previous April Fool's Day pranks...getting married...having a kid...and this one had potential, but I think it affects too many in a very personal way that they won't find funny. Perhaps it's a "bridge too far".
As many of you know I've had a problem with alcohol for some time. And as some of you know this problem came to a head about a month or so ago when I not only lost some very close friends, but I also came very close to losing my family.
To make a long story short, the situation I was in caused me to reflect on what the root issue of all my problems truly are. It came down to two things:
1.) Myself. 2.) Alcohol.
This was not any easy thing to admit but once I admitted it, the changes (all for the better) started unfolding.
I am on my way to recovery and I thought that I had apologized to everybody that I had hurt in the past. Until I was visiting with an individual that attends the same AA meetings I do. He had mentioned that he logged onto Facebook and apologized to all the people he had never met, but assuredly offended and attacked while intoxicated. Initially I didn't think anything of his comment until I realized that even though this isn't Facebook, there are still real people with real names and real families that I have attacked on this forum.
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason. I know now that even though we may still disagree on some topics, I didn't attack them because of what I thought of them. I attacked them because of what I thought of myself.
This list may not be all inclusive but this is the best list I could compile after a great deal of thought and reflection:
Kevin Gibson JeffO Take a Knee Gunwizard Curdog RobJordan bigsqueeze djs
I would like to apologize to each and every one of the people I listed above. I don't expect all of you to forgive me and I don't expect all of you to accept my apology but I wanted to apologize regardless. Again, some of the things I wrote to all of you were more than just two people disagreeing. They were purposely hateful, and I apologize.
Last but not least I would like to apologize to Mr. Rick Bin. I've used his business to tear others down, when I should have been trying to build my life back up. I've blatantly disregarded his rules in an attempt to make others feel bad, so I could feel good.
I am sorry.
I will more than likely continue to post here if I feel I can help somebody with a question, but I will be posting far less than I have in the past. As anybody that has struggled with this illness knows, there are certain "triggers" I have to avoid right now and posting online is one of them.
If you feel I had slighted you in the past, please PM me. I don't want this post/thread to turn into a pissing match. I only want those that I listed to know how I feel.
Thank you and Happy Easter to all,
Travis
Travis,
Every cut and insult was forgiven and forgotten about one microsecond after reading it...you are who you are. Yeah I might have taken offense on occasion but I'm a big boy and I've always been over it.
Best of luck to you sir for a speedy recovery, and I really wish you the best of luck with your family.
So keep 'em coming if you feel inclined, I still won't be offended. But get better, that's all that really matters.
Disregard the pricks on here making light of your thread, you will have to deal with self absorbed idiots like them the rest of your life.
It's easier when you are sober.
I reserve trust for people that earn it.
That's fair, but doesn't mean you have to mock the dude's post you can sit back and watch. April 1st isn't that far away and even if this is a hoax it'll have a funnier punch line than "my wife took over my sign on".
I tend to believe it best to reserve judgment silently rather than mock loudly when it comes to serious stuff like this.
I also believe that this thread is a great testimony to the core of this community; in spite of all the nastiness on the political threads we can come together.
I never did the steps, but if I had number nine would have been impossible. If i had gone to those guys and told them what I regretted, those sorry bastards would have wanted to kill me.
As far as I'm concerned, Travis is one of the sharpest comedic minds I've seen on this entire site.
Not sure what he does for a living, but he has Natural Talent and should pursue it.
For those on this thread to have "kicked him" while he is down is Pitiful and Pathetic; it takes a Grown Man to come here and apologize for what he realizes are mistakes he has made, and feelings he may have hurt.
If you are being sincere then I commend you for taking control of your life and curbing your addiction for the good of yourself and your family. It's a tough thing to do but it is ultimately rewarding.
If this is a April fools prank, GFY, you magnificent bastard.
If you are being sincere then I commend you for taking control of your life and curbing your addiction for the good of yourself and your family. It's a tough thing to do but it is ultimately rewarding.
If this is a April fools prank, GFY, you magnificent bastard.
Especially those that have accepted my apology. It means more to me than you know.
I'm a bit overwhelmed by the amount of support right now. I honestly only came on here to make things right. If you've sent me a PM please be patient in waiting for me to respond. I have a surprisingly large amount to go through and right now I get somewhat irritated when I discuss my not drinking. That may sound stupid but it is true regardless.
I'm coming on here more to catch up on gun stuff than anything else but thanks again for all the replies.
Well isn't this heart warming? A showering of support for sir drinks a lot.
I said I was done with the campfire and I should just stick to that plan. But this BS step 9 stuff, I guess I just can't leave it alone.
What kind of a step 9 is this? Selective step 9? Step 9 for hurt internet feelings?
What about actual damage, actual losses suffered by others?
Am I speaking too soon? Is the "check in the mail"?
I'll explain what I'm talking about, since I didn't see my name on the apology list.
Last fall Travis told me about a sweet old ford pickup truck he knew about in Havre. He sent me pictures. I fell in love with the old truck (As he figured I would) and he suggested that he could inquire about it for me. I thought that would be great. He kept me from dealing with the "owner" by explaining that it was an elderly man that had no phone and really didn't like talking to people very much. Travis was going to take care of the deal for me. I told Travis I would come out in the spring of 16 with a trailer and cash. But half way through Dec he said we better get it purchased because the owner had another guy wanting to buy it from him and it wasn't going to last til spring.
So, right before Christmas when I needed to be buying Christmas gifts etc, I send Travis $1500 Which I did gladly because it was a smoking hot deal for a 65 Ranger model with the factory bucket seats, original condition, just a dream come true for a restoration guy like myself.
Here's the truck.
Nice huh? Yeah I loved it, instantly.
Here's the problem, it's total BS.
Time is passing, soon it's new years and I'm anxious for my new truck, there's new excuse after new excuse. He's busy at work, can't get to the DMV to get the "title straightened out". He said the truck was in the old man's brother's name and they had to bring in death certificate to transfer title. They were going to get it in Travis's name for the sake of speed, then I could just show like I bought it from Travis. Pretty soon it's Feb, then mid Feb, then Travis tells me the old man died.
Now this could take a while to fix the title issues. At this point what am I going to do? I feel bad the old man died, I'm just going to be respectful and how ever long it takes it takes.
I'm still excited about the truck and in the beginning of March I was emailing a friend, I had Travis's photos in an email on my work computer. I went to right click and copy over the image file but I'm clumsy with laptop finger pad. I accidentally hit "search google for" and a google window popped up with search results for the image file name.
Here's what my accidental google search turned up.
That is a link that leads to page 3 of a thread on another forum. The thread is about 65-66 ford ranger model trucks. The photos that Travis sent me were swiped off the internet from this thread. He played like he took these photos himself, he even gave me some chit line about "Better not pop the hood on a strangers truck, I could get shot! Lol!" They were not his photos, he never saw this truck, there was no old man and title mix up and no death. It was all BS.
He's got my $1500 and I've got nothing. No written agreement, no receipt, no nothing. Just an empty hole in my account where $1500 used to be.
I txt him as soon as I figured it out, no reply. I have tried calling, no answer, PM's? No reply.
Yeah, I've been pretty cranky about it. I was having fun here back when I was still on the hook with Dflave, back when I thought he was helping me get this sweet and totally fake truck.
I was Long Duck Dong for a bit there, laughing my butt off and having fun. Well, about the same time Rick killed long duck, this truck deal went all to hell and I've got to explain to my wife that my fake internet friend sold me a fake internet truck. I said F-it, done with internet friends, done with the campfire, it just a pile of political fights anyways, who needs that crap?
It's been a $hitty month.
You all go on ahead with your prayers and support for your hero that says he's so sorry and so sober.
Good luck with your sober savior. I'd laugh at the thought of it if I wasn't so pissed.
If that azzhole is sincere in his apologies and sobriety he should send your money back. Hell he wouldn't have taken it in the first place if he weren't a total scumbag so good luck with that.
Northern Dave - doesn't sound like you are making that stuff up, so your post looks pretty bad for this Travis fellow. Sorry about your $1500 - hope you get it back.
But, it ain't all bad - you've been saved from a Ford, and a crappy fall-apart model at that.
Well isn't this heart warming? A showering of support for sir drinks a lot.
I said I was done with the campfire and I should just stick to that plan. But this BS step 9 stuff, I guess I just can't leave it alone.
What kind of a step 9 is this? Selective step 9? Step 9 for hurt internet feelings?
What about actual damage, actual losses suffered by others?
Am I speaking too soon? Is the "check in the mail"?
I'll explain what I'm talking about, since I didn't see my name on the apology list.
Last fall Travis told me about a sweet old ford pickup truck he knew about in Havre. He sent me pictures. I fell in love with the old truck (As he figured I would) and he suggested that he could inquire about it for me. I thought that would be great. He kept me from dealing with the "owner" by explaining that it was an elderly man that had no phone and really didn't like talking to people very much. Travis was going to take care of the deal for me. I told Travis I would come out in the spring of 16 with a trailer and cash. But half way through Dec he said we better get it purchased because the owner had another guy wanting to buy it from him and it wasn't going to last til spring.
So, right before Christmas when I needed to be buying Christmas gifts etc, I send Travis $1500 Which I did gladly because it was a smoking hot deal for a 65 Ranger model with the factory bucket seats, original condition, just a dream come true for a restoration guy like myself.
Here's the truck.
Nice huh? Yeah I loved it, instantly.
Here's the problem, it's total BS.
Time is passing, soon it's new years and I'm anxious for my new truck, there's new excuse after new excuse. He's busy at work, can't get to the DMV to get the "title straightened out". He said the truck was in the old man's brother's name and they had to bring in death certificate to transfer title. They were going to get it in Travis's name for the sake of speed, then I could just show like I bought it from Travis. Pretty soon it's Feb, then mid Feb, then Travis tells me the old man died.
Now this could take a while to fix the title issues. At this point what am I going to do? I feel bad the old man died, I'm just going to be respectful and how ever long it takes it takes.
I'm still excited about the truck and in the beginning of March I was emailing a friend, I had Travis's photos in an email on my work computer. I went to right click and copy over the image file but I'm clumsy with laptop finger pad. I accidentally hit "search google for" and a google window popped up with search results for the image file name.
Here's what my accidental google search turned up.
That is a link that leads to page 3 of a thread on another forum. The thread is about 65-66 ford ranger model trucks. The photos that Travis sent me were swiped off the internet from this thread. He played like he took these photos himself, he even gave me some chit line about "Better not pop the hood on a strangers truck, I could get shot! Lol!" They were not his photos, he never saw this truck, there was no old man and title mix up and no death. It was all BS.
He's got my $1500 and I've got nothing. No written agreement, no receipt, no nothing. Just an empty hole in my account where $1500 used to be.
I txt him as soon as I figured it out, no reply. I have tried calling, no answer, PM's? No reply.
Yeah, I've been pretty cranky about it. I was having fun here back when I was still on the hook with Dflave, back when I thought he was helping me get this sweet and totally fake truck.
I was Long Duck Dong for a bit there, laughing my butt off and having fun. Well, about the same time Rick killed long duck, this truck deal went all to hell and I've got to explain to my wife that my fake internet friend sold me a fake internet truck. I said F-it, done with internet friends, done with the campfire, it just a pile of political fights anyways, who needs that crap?
It's been a $hitty month.
You all go on ahead with your prayers and support for your hero that says he's so sorry and so sober.
Good luck with your sober savior. I'd laugh at the thought of it if I wasn't so pissed.
A. this smells like truth to me, or B. If this is all just a April fools joke, I'm finding it pretty damn childish at this point.
Accountability! I don't know if this story is true on not and I am not taking sides. What I do know is that if the story is exactly as Dave laid it out you are accountable for your lack of commonsense. Rule number one: if something seems easy or to good to be true, don't do it! In your version of the story there were red flags from the beginning and more popping up as it played out. Shame on you, and shame on Travis for scamming you.
If this is in fact truly "step 9" for Travis, forgiveness goes along with making amends. So Travis should be trying to get Dave the $1500 back asap.
Drunks do some truly dumb stuff. The law tends to favor whoever has proof. So, with these things in mind it wouldn't be too hard to put together the info to file charges if that were the course of action decided upon. Interstate fraud is a crime that isn't dealt with lightly.
I recently sold a vehicle online, out of state, and arranged to ship it with no problems. However EVERY email was archived, every document was saved, just in case.
Daddy made whiskey and he made it well. Cost four dollars and it burnt like hell. I split kindling just to fire the still. Drink down a bottle and be ready 2 kill.
I bought a rifle from Travis, all the wheels and lights were on it.....
Bought stuff from Charlie too, ammo shot great....
Travis, you know who your friends are and I truly hope Fireball2 owns up to his words and gets banned.....you're a sensitive little fellow there princess.
One hoaxer calling out someone is kinda fishy IMHO.....
Well now, ain't this some kinda revolt'n development? Looks like Travis ain't the guy I thought he was. All of his "friends are dropping off like needles off'n a six month Christmas tree. Hey Travis, if you can hear me......GFY..
I bought a rifle from Travis, all the wheels and lights were on it.....
Bought stuff from Charlie too, ammo shot great....
Travis, you know who your friends are and I truly hope Fireball2 owns up to his words and gets banned.....you're a sensitive little fellow there princess.
One hoaxer calling out someone is kinda fishy IMHO.....
Truth is.....I apologized to Sam but he just can't let it go....grin
I bought a rifle from Travis, all the wheels and lights were on it.....
Bought stuff from Charlie too, ammo shot great....
Travis, you know who your friends are and I truly hope Fireball2 owns up to his words and gets banned.....you're a sensitive little fellow there princess.
One hoaxer calling out someone is kinda fishy IMHO.....
I look at it this way, either I'm right and he's a shameless prankster and all of you chumps fell for it, AGAIN, or I'm wrong and he's a flaming azzhole and an abusive alcoholic.
I don't think I'll lose any sleep over it either way.
but I still see signs that this may be one of the more elaborate "April Fools" pranks I've ever seen on the internet...
and if that is so, one has to give kudos to the creators and actors for a well thought out plan...all I'm gonna do is laugh and give congrats for a well orchestrated plan...
but by chance this is all for real...
Well Dave, I stand by my PM to ya...
and Northern Dave, if you're story isn't a April Fools Day Hoax....we'll you have my condolences.....but time should iron this out...
joined in 2004, so I guess I've been around here for 12 years.. enough to see a lot of Tom Foolery going on....hence why I see an elaborate April Fools prank coming...
but there is not one guy whose part of this that I don't greatly respect and appreciate their posts and inputs...
if all of this is true, I won't get shocked... stuff like this is just another day of the week in a small town like I live in.....
I won't be changing my mind on anyone here, one way or another....there isn't a problem that can't be fixed in the long run...
As many of you know I've had a problem with alcohol for some time. And as some of you know this problem came to a head about a month or so ago when I not only lost some very close friends, but I also came very close to losing my family.
To make a long story short, the situation I was in caused me to reflect on what the root issue of all my problems truly are. It came down to two things:
1.) Myself. 2.) Alcohol.
This was not any easy thing to admit but once I admitted it, the changes (all for the better) started unfolding.
I am on my way to recovery and I thought that I had apologized to everybody that I had hurt in the past. Until I was visiting with an individual that attends the same AA meetings I do. He had mentioned that he logged onto Facebook and apologized to all the people he had never met, but assuredly offended and attacked while intoxicated. Initially I didn't think anything of his comment until I realized that even though this isn't Facebook, there are still real people with real names and real families that I have attacked on this forum.
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason. I know now that even though we may still disagree on some topics, I didn't attack them because of what I thought of them. I attacked them because of what I thought of myself.
This list may not be all inclusive but this is the best list I could compile after a great deal of thought and reflection:
Kevin Gibson JeffO Take a Knee Gunwizard Curdog RobJordan bigsqueeze djs
I would like to apologize to each and every one of the people I listed above. I don't expect all of you to forgive me and I don't expect all of you to accept my apology but I wanted to apologize regardless. Again, some of the things I wrote to all of you were more than just two people disagreeing. They were purposely hateful, and I apologize.
Last but not least I would like to apologize to Mr. Rick Bin. I've used his business to tear others down, when I should have been trying to build my life back up. I've blatantly disregarded his rules in an attempt to make others feel bad, so I could feel good.
I am sorry.
I will more than likely continue to post here if I feel I can help somebody with a question, but I will be posting far less than I have in the past. As anybody that has struggled with this illness knows, there are certain "triggers" I have to avoid right now and posting online is one of them.
If you feel I had slighted you in the past, please PM me. I don't want this post/thread to turn into a pissing match. I only want those that I listed to know how I feel.
Thank you and Happy Easter to all,
Travis
"I will more than likely continue to post here if I feel I can help somebody..."
Travis, keep posting and show us the man you really are. Best wishes and keep on the straight and narrow. There are people here who will willingly help, if you ask.
I bought a rifle from Travis, all the wheels and lights were on it.....
Bought stuff from Charlie too, ammo shot great....
Travis, you know who your friends are and I truly hope Fireball2 owns up to his words and gets banned.....you're a sensitive little fellow there princess.
One hoaxer calling out someone is kinda fishy IMHO.....
I look at it this way, either I'm right and he's a shameless prankster and all of you chumps fell for it, AGAIN, or I'm wrong and he's a flaming azzhole and an abusive alcoholic.
I don't think I'll lose any sleep over it either way.
Or maybe you forgot the third possibility, that he is a recovering alcoholic who has hit a personal bottom in his life, and will hopefully continue to recover.
Or maybe you forgot the third possibility, that he is a recovering alcoholic who has hit a personal bottom in his life, and will hopefully continue to recover.
This is the one that I am hoping for. If not then I have lost little or nothing. I will believe until I am shown otherwise. miles
Most if not all of the stupid [bleep] I did over the years was alcohol related - so I am inclined to give everyone the benefit of that doubt. There but for the Grace of God go I.
I was told a long time ago by a good friend to "always take the high road". It has been sound advice and I have tried to adhere to it. To pile on to this thread is senseless, but I couldn't be quiet any longer after Northern Dave chimed in.
I had been in Havre last December, bird hunting with Travis and we actually did look at a couple of old farm vehicles that he said he was partnering with Dave to get restored. I paid no attention to it, that was their business, until Dave comes up short on the deposit money.
My disconnect with Travis was finally realizing the loss of genuine friendship when he took advantage of a couple of deals we had going. I did get paid for any guns I got for him, but worse than money is the abuse of a friendship.
I had taken Travis to my prairie dog hunting spot, which is on a private ranch about 200 miles away from where I live. We have had several Prairie Dog Invitationals at that ranch and those that were there can admit that we had an awesome time.
What I didn't know was that Travis had brought some of his buddies from Havre back to that spot without me knowing it. It is very remote and my chances of finding out were minimal at best and I didn't even consider that happening in the first place.
I got a call from Randy, who owns the ranch and he was pretty upset, because he had some antelope hunters on his property last fall and Travis and his buddies had gone onto his property and set up benches and shot prairie dogs without permission. I didn't believe it was Travis until Randy described the vehicle that was there and it was Travis.
I can still shoot prairie dogs, but I damn near lost it due to Travis and his buddies not only interrupting the antelope hunters, but leaving some beer cans near the old homestead building.
I have to admit I was fooled, I dropped Travis's signature line a few months back because of his unsettled behavior. Now for him to ask for forgiveness, may be genuine, may be a ruse, but I am done taking chances.
I hope the best for his family, but as for Travis, I think he really need more help than he is ever going to get here...
In retrospect, all these posts show a couple of things.
1. We have a pretty good bunch of guys on here, offering support and encouragement in spite of being suspect. Many having went through at one time in their lives what the OP is allegedly going through.
Northern Dave jumped the gun IF Travis owes him money.
I've never seen a drunk come into AA on a winning streak financially. Making amends to people we owe money to requires that we contact, them acknowledge the debt, and arrange to pay it off. Typically, it requires payments spread out over time, and we generally owe financial amends to more than one party, so priorities must be set.
So...... in a way, our sobriety is the only collateral we have to offer.
I have to settle the debt, or get drunk. That's just how it works.
I have to admit I was fooled, I dropped Travis's signature line a few months back because of his unsettled behavior. Now for him to ask for forgiveness, may be genuine, may be a ruse, but I am done taking chances.
I hope the best for his family, but as for Travis, I think he really need more help than he is ever going to get here...
Does this mean you are backing out on the liver donation?
Suffice to say his post is loaded with half-truths.
Dave,
I sent you another e-mail. Try reading it this time.
Travis
I'll admit I had a few beers last night and jumped into this under the influence of anger and alcohol.
But this morning it's just me and a misty sunrise, peaceful country sounds surround me. And I can honestly say, go to hell. Read your own damn email if you wan't to talk about "half truths".
What did you do? You tell Shrap I stiffed you on a "deposit"? There was no deposit, it was just a too good to be true $1500 truck and yeah shame on me for being that stupid but I did honestly buy a 69 charger for 1200 bucks last year so this seemed like it could be another one of those awesome deals.
Yeah, shame on me. I know, that's why I hadn't posted about it and also why I shouldn't have last night. This won't get me anywhere. Look what I'm doing right now, this thing is still robbing from me because I should be working right now but I'm typing on a keyboard instead. And I'm self employed, so I don't get paid for keyboard time, I need to be turning wrenches on cars.
Excuse my while I continue on with my 16 hour work day, I have some catching up to do, financially.
I was told a long time ago by a good friend to "always take the high road". It has been sound advice and I have tried to adhere to it. To pile on to this thread is senseless, but I couldn't be quiet any longer after Northern Dave chimed in.
I had been in Havre last December, bird hunting with Travis and we actually did look at a couple of old farm vehicles that he said he was partnering with Dave to get restored. I paid no attention to it, that was their business, until Dave comes up short on the deposit money.
My disconnect with Travis was finally realizing the loss of genuine friendship when he took advantage of a couple of deals we had going. I did get paid for any guns I got for him, but worse than money is the abuse of a friendship.
I had taken Travis to my prairie dog hunting spot, which is on a private ranch about 200 miles away from where I live. We have had several Prairie Dog Invitationals at that ranch and those that were there can admit that we had an awesome time.
What I didn't know was that Travis had brought some of his buddies from Havre back to that spot without me knowing it. It is very remote and my chances of finding out were minimal at best and I didn't even consider that happening in the first place.
I got a call from Randy, who owns the ranch and he was pretty upset, because he had some antelope hunters on his property last fall and Travis and his buddies had gone onto his property and set up benches and shot prairie dogs without permission. I didn't believe it was Travis until Randy described the vehicle that was there and it was Travis.
I can still shoot prairie dogs, but I damn near lost it due to Travis and his buddies not only interrupting the antelope hunters, but leaving some beer cans near the old homestead building.
I have to admit I was fooled, I dropped Travis's signature line a few months back because of his unsettled behavior. Now for him to ask for forgiveness, may be genuine, may be a ruse, but I am done taking chances.
I hope the best for his family, but as for Travis, I think he really need more help than he is ever going to get here...
This was all bullshit until now. Shrapnel is one of the few on here that I blindly believe and has much integrity, but I wonder why N Dave did not make the OP list? Or Shrapnel?
On second thought, Shrap would not air out his dirty laundry here IF it were true.
Gaaaaaaawwwwwwwd you guys must hate it when I'm right. Sucks to be gullible huh?
Tell ya what, I hope that this thread isn't what it appears to be and that Travis is on a new path. I've never given someone the benefit of the doubt and been bitter about it afterward.
Also I really hope that part of that new path is making things right w/ ND. He is a good guy and obviously frustrated by whatever has gone on.
As far as FB is concerned though, I'd suggest you consider not taking yourself or what goes on here so seriously. I quite frankly don't care whether you're right, don't consider being gracious and hoping for the best as "gullible," and have to remind you that this isn't about you.
Or your wife (in case that is who actually typed that post).
I got a call from Randy, who owns the ranch and he was pretty upset, because he had some antelope hunters on his property last fall and Travis and his buddies had gone onto his property and set up benches and shot prairie dogs without permission. I didn't believe it was Travis until Randy described the vehicle that was there and it was Travis.
I was told a long time ago by a good friend to "always take the high road". It has been sound advice and I have tried to adhere to it. To pile on to this thread is senseless, but I couldn't be quiet any longer after Northern Dave chimed in.
I had been in Havre last December, bird hunting with Travis and we actually did look at a couple of old farm vehicles that he said he was partnering with Dave to get restored. I paid no attention to it, that was their business, until Dave comes up short on the deposit money.
My disconnect with Travis was finally realizing the loss of genuine friendship when he took advantage of a couple of deals we had going. I did get paid for any guns I got for him, but worse than money is the abuse of a friendship.
I had taken Travis to my prairie dog hunting spot, which is on a private ranch about 200 miles away from where I live. We have had several Prairie Dog Invitationals at that ranch and those that were there can admit that we had an awesome time.
What I didn't know was that Travis had brought some of his buddies from Havre back to that spot without me knowing it. It is very remote and my chances of finding out were minimal at best and I didn't even consider that happening in the first place.
I got a call from Randy, who owns the ranch and he was pretty upset, because he had some antelope hunters on his property last fall and Travis and his buddies had gone onto his property and set up benches and shot prairie dogs without permission. I didn't believe it was Travis until Randy described the vehicle that was there and it was Travis.
I can still shoot prairie dogs, but I damn near lost it due to Travis and his buddies not only interrupting the antelope hunters, but leaving some beer cans near the old homestead building.
I have to admit I was fooled, I dropped Travis's signature line a few months back because of his unsettled behavior. Now for him to ask for forgiveness, may be genuine, may be a ruse, but I am done taking chances.
I hope the best for his family, but as for Travis, I think he really need more help than he is ever going to get here...
If this turns out to be a internet hoax and a april fools joke, I think the joke is on the participants and would show their/his character in an extremely poor light. The buffoons are not the ones that posted positive things, but would be those/him setting up an internet hoax on such a sensitive subject. I don't know any of the major participants, but i do know some of those offering support. It would be at the bottom of the barrel to degrade and take atvantage of that for a prank.
There are some mighty fine people on this forum, but there are others, not so much. And by the way, CCCC DOES have basically a warehouse full of old chevy's he is starting to sell. That is not fiction. I have seen and been in the warehouse, so have others that have posted on this thread.
As to that hunting spot, I fired a friend of over 30 years a few years ago. Taken atvantage of one too many times. I had invited him up to northern colorado, he had been there with me one other time, to go to a elk camp run by family. About a week before we were to drive up there, i called him telling him my blood pressure medication didn't seem to be working, i wanted to see the doctor prior to going up and get it taken care of. He got real upset, and i found out why. He was going to drive up with me, participate in the great food, home grown beef, trout, etc., and then spring it on me to drive from N.W. colorado to denver so he could get on a plane to go somewhere else. He had already bought the tickets without telling me. It wasn't the first time he had pulled something, but it turned out to be the last. If this turns out to be a hoax, then one will NEVER look at the participants in the same light. Using the 12step program, drawing out people that had fought an addiction, geez, that would be low.
Just think if either Flave or ND had somehow managed to slip into their posts that they could use a little "financial support" due to boozing and losing $1500 on the fake truck deal...
Wow, the checks would have been rolling in by now!
I always wondered how the people who call from some hell-hole in Asia manage to sucker Americans into giving them money. Now I know how it works!
Gaaaaaaawwwwwwwd you guys must hate it when I'm right. Sucks to be gullible huh?
Don't know if you're Right or wrong, but you still seem to be an ass hole
Thought I'd flush out his sincerity by posting my grievances, and of course... silence. No PM, no nothing. That's because this whole thing is BS. And you guys fall for it, AGAIN.
I've talked to Shrap a few times, and he is as stand up as there is. Man of true integrity. I don't know if Flave is pissing in his cheerios or truely on the mend, but sounds to me like he's certainly reached the bottom with people who have character and would do what they could to help him. That takes a lot. I hope he keeps moving forward. I agree with curdog. Travis has plenty of amends to make.
I was told a long time ago by a good friend to "always take the high road". It has been sound advice and I have tried to adhere to it. To pile on to this thread is senseless, but I couldn't be quiet any longer after Northern Dave chimed in.
I had been in Havre last December, bird hunting with Travis and we actually did look at a couple of old farm vehicles that he said he was partnering with Dave to get restored. I paid no attention to it, that was their business, until Dave comes up short on the deposit money.
My disconnect with Travis was finally realizing the loss of genuine friendship when he took advantage of a couple of deals we had going. I did get paid for any guns I got for him, but worse than money is the abuse of a friendship.
I had taken Travis to my prairie dog hunting spot, which is on a private ranch about 200 miles away from where I live. We have had several Prairie Dog Invitationals at that ranch and those that were there can admit that we had an awesome time.
What I didn't know was that Travis had brought some of his buddies from Havre back to that spot without me knowing it. It is very remote and my chances of finding out were minimal at best and I didn't even consider that happening in the first place.
I got a call from Randy, who owns the ranch and he was pretty upset, because he had some antelope hunters on his property last fall and Travis and his buddies had gone onto his property and set up benches and shot prairie dogs without permission. I didn't believe it was Travis until Randy described the vehicle that was there and it was Travis.
I can still shoot prairie dogs, but I damn near lost it due to Travis and his buddies not only interrupting the antelope hunters, but leaving some beer cans near the old homestead building.
I have to admit I was fooled, I dropped Travis's signature line a few months back because of his unsettled behavior. Now for him to ask for forgiveness, may be genuine, may be a ruse, but I am done taking chances.
I hope the best for his family, but as for Travis, I think he really need more help than he is ever going to get here...
I don't know about that Ron.....I'd think that those who were magnanimous enough to offer their honest support would also be the kind that are big enough to laugh at themselves when it all washes out...... The only real looser as far as I can see is FB2 but he was likely a looser all along....
(1)'flave is indeed on hard times and universally apologizes to everyone he wronged....which compels his 2 closest internet friends to suddenly chime in concerning 'flaves past misdeeds.....on the internet.....after all this time.
(2)or.....they are accomplis' on a sympathy/support hoax.
What does either scenario say about their true character?
They're either piling on a man when he is down......or contributing to a classless hoax.
Just think if either Flave or ND had somehow managed to slip into their posts that they could use a little "financial support" due to boozing and losing $1500 on the fake truck deal...
Wow, the checks would have been rolling in by now!
I always wondered how the people who call from some hell-hole in Asia manage to sucker Americans into giving them money. Now I now how it works!
Gaaaaaaawwwwwwwd you guys must hate it when I'm right. Sucks to be gullible huh?
Don't know if you're Right or wrong, but you still seem to be an ass hole
Thought I'd flush out his sincerity by posting my grievances, and of course... silence. No PM, no nothing. That's because this whole thing is BS. And you guys fall for it, AGAIN.
Sounds like you're butt hurt that he thinks you're an ass even though he's a drunk.
Gaaaaaaawwwwwwwd you guys must hate it when I'm right. Sucks to be gullible huh?
Don't know if you're Right or wrong, but you still seem to be an ass hole
Thought I'd flush out his sincerity by posting my grievances, and of course... silence. No PM, no nothing. That's because this whole thing is BS. And you guys fall for it, AGAIN.
Sounds like you're butt hurt that he thinks you're an ass even though he's a drunk.
A few people here have earned my trust and respect. Travis isn't one of them.
And for the record, them agreeing with me is not the #1 criteria of whether I choose to respect them or not.
I lost my alcoholic brother several years ago, as he was involved in a traffic accident. These types of things are not a laughing/joking matter with me.
I look at it this way, either I'm right and he's a shameless prankster and all of you chumps fell for it, AGAIN, or I'm wrong and he's a flaming azzhole and an abusive alcoholic. I don't think I'll lose any sleep over it either way.
Have you looked at it THIS way - no either/or - he's both?
Some good posts here, especially most recent by roninphx and Curdog in my view (although they're not necessarily in sync). I'd love to be able to help a guy here who is down and doing his best to pull himself up - and would decry any jerk (and accomplices) who set out to mock and abuse the openness and good will of others here. Time will tell - patience can be a virtue.
I have got errands to run, but one of the posts got me to thinking of a former friend. I have gone to the same tank on the same ranch to shoot dove opening day for over 60 years. Some years a limit is maybe ten minutes. A former friend kept bugging me to take him, so i finally did. And it was as described. I went back the next day and found him and four or five others all set up, and that was after telling him at the beginning to keep it quiet. Happened again a few years ago when he was asking me questions on elk in unit 8, and then i find one of his close friends in exactly where i had described. One other incident was bringing him in on a deal i ran across for .41magnum componets, brass at .03 a round, bullets 100count at 4bucks a box etc. Then i got later into the 41mag thing, and he wanted to sell it back at midway prices. I am a slow learner, but i learn. The current story makes me think of that.
Northern Dave is one of the few guys on here I trust.
Hate that happened to you pard and I'll say right now, I hope you and Travis are fooling the scheit out of us.
I eased down the road because it was just crazy around here. If this is on the level, I guess I should have stayed gone.
Disappointing.
As someone who was personally named by the OP in his apology post, and given the nature of the supposed problem (addiction) if this is a hoax, it's a new low for the Internet in my experience.
And if people I respect such as Shrap and Dave are part of a hoax, in the face of all the genuine support and empathy for the person apologizing and admitting addiction, then that's just too damn weird to believe.
I don't think it's a hoax. I stand by my acceptance of his apology and my well-wishes sent his direction. If it turns out I'm wrong, then shame on me, but I will err on the side of empathy for the plight of the other guy every single time. This life has its challenges. People get the [bleep] kicked out of them by life, get back up, and then do good things every single day. Getting back up and looking at that sod in the mirror is the part that takes courage.
Stick with it, Trav. You've got a long life yet ahead to write a new story.
Travis, we've never met or even really interacted on the fire, but I've always liked you. Good to hear you're taking these positive steps and I think you're going to find most people are good-hearted and willing to give you another chance. Takes a big man to come here and do what you did. Keep your chin up, peace brother. Phil
Gaaaaaaawwwwwwwd you guys must hate it when I'm right. Sucks to be gullible huh?
Don't know if you're Right or wrong, but you still seem to be an ass hole
Thought I'd flush out his sincerity by posting my grievances, and of course... silence. No PM, no nothing. That's because this whole thing is BS. And you guys fall for it, AGAIN.
The outcome doesnt matter in your case, YOU come out looking like a dumbass AGAIN.
You just cant win. That you're oblivious to it is the most hilarious part. poor fireball, "i'm a winner either way".
As many of you know I've had a problem with alcohol for some time. And as some of you know this problem came to a head about a month or so ago when I not only lost some very close friends, but I also came very close to losing my family.
To make a long story short, the situation I was in caused me to reflect on what the root issue of all my problems truly are. It came down to two things:
1.) Myself. 2.) Alcohol.
This was not any easy thing to admit but once I admitted it, the changes (all for the better) started unfolding.
I am on my way to recovery and I thought that I had apologized to everybody that I had hurt in the past. Until I was visiting with an individual that attends the same AA meetings I do. He had mentioned that he logged onto Facebook and apologized to all the people he had never met, but assuredly offended and attacked while intoxicated. Initially I didn't think anything of his comment until I realized that even though this isn't Facebook, there are still real people with real names and real families that I have attacked on this forum.
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason. I know now that even though we may still disagree on some topics, I didn't attack them because of what I thought of them. I attacked them because of what I thought of myself.
This list may not be all inclusive but this is the best list I could compile after a great deal of thought and reflection:
Kevin Gibson JeffO Take a Knee Gunwizard Curdog RobJordan bigsqueeze djs
I would like to apologize to each and every one of the people I listed above. I don't expect all of you to forgive me and I don't expect all of you to accept my apology but I wanted to apologize regardless. Again, some of the things I wrote to all of you were more than just two people disagreeing. They were purposely hateful, and I apologize.
Last but not least I would like to apologize to Mr. Rick Bin. I've used his business to tear others down, when I should have been trying to build my life back up. I've blatantly disregarded his rules in an attempt to make others feel bad, so I could feel good.
I am sorry.
I will more than likely continue to post here if I feel I can help somebody with a question, but I will be posting far less than I have in the past. As anybody that has struggled with this illness knows, there are certain "triggers" I have to avoid right now and posting online is one of them.
If you feel I had slighted you in the past, please PM me. I don't want this post/thread to turn into a pissing match. I only want those that I listed to know how I feel.
Thank you and Happy Easter to all,
Travis
I liked it when you insulted me.I felt so dirty.Congrats on your self realization.I have been alcohol free for 32 years.I don`t have to be drunk or high to have fun and act stupid.Things are going to get much better.It takes a lot of balls to do what you are doing.I am impressed.Huntz
Good luck, Travis. Alcohol has had its effect on my family, and I know what a giant leap you've just taken. Your biggest challenge is going to be not turning around and leaping the other way.
Um, upon reading the whole thread, now I'm wondering if we've been Uberlanched or Liar24ed. Drying out or getting clean isn't really a good focal point for a joke...it really is not.
I look at it this way, either I'm right and he's a shameless prankster and all of you chumps fell for it, AGAIN, or I'm wrong and he's a flaming azzhole and an abusive alcoholic.
I don't think I'll lose any sleep over it either way.
Personally, I don't give a sh*t whether you're right or wrong. If it's a joke, I'll laugh at myself and congratulate the merry pranksters on a job well done.
The fact that you're so concerned about being "right" on something like this speaks volumes. Get a damn life.
I ain't never had no probs with Travis, i actually enjoyed watching him slap the taste outta some people's dick flappers. If it needed doing, well it just needed doing. There were quite a few that got sassified with me and my buds early on. Well guess what, a few of them have croaked, stroked out, defibbed (yellow crotch rocket douche) and so on.
And one I hear is fashioning dil-dos out of driftwood in Arizona.
Party on Dave, they still make that Need Beer chit like beavis and butthead drank.
I have already apologized to shrapnel. His post doesn't tell the full story either. He seems to have left out the fact that I had no problem allowing him to return to some of my best bird spots. So excuse the hell out of me for thinking it would be reciprocal.
When he confronted me about it I owned it and I have since apologized and assured him I wouldn't do it again in the future. But apparently his almost losing one of the 9 billion available honey holes he has at his disposal was more than he could bare. As a result, we are no longer what I (or anyone else for that matter) would consider friends.
As far as Dave is concerned I've apologized to him as well. I just didn't do it on the open forum. He knows I'm doing what I can to get him his money. I understand his being pissed off, but I have apologized and I'm doing what I can right now to get him his money.
Thank you again to all of those that have shown support. As stated in my initial post, my intention was not to make this a pissing match.
I don't recall ever responding to anything you posted that wasn't firearms related. I sure as hell don't recall ever saying anything caustic or purposely hateful.
I don't recall ever responding to anything you posted that wasn't firearms related. I sure as hell don't recall ever saying anything caustic or purposely hateful.
Maybe some mild back and forth but nothing more.
Travis
Alcohol induced amnesia or more commonly referred to as "blackouts".
I have already apologized to shrapnel. His post doesn't tell the full story either. He seems to have left out the fact that I had no problem allowing him to return to some of my best bird spots. So excuse the hell out of me for thinking it would be reciprocal.
When he confronted me about it I owned it and I have since apologized and assured him I wouldn't do it again in the future. But apparently his almost losing one of the 9 billion available honey holes he has at his disposal was more than he could bare. As a result, we are no longer what I (or anyone else for that matter) would consider friends.
As far as Dave is concerned I've apologized to him as well. I just didn't do it on the open forum. He knows I'm doing what I can to get him his money. I understand his being pissed off, but I have apologized and I'm doing what I can right now to get him his money.
Thank you again to all of those that have shown support. As stated in my initial post, my intention was not to make this a pissing match.
Travis
Nice. Trotting out the tried and true Safariman croc tear scam line. Should keep the 4/1 in play for those with too much deflave man love.
I have already apologized to shrapnel. His post doesn't tell the full story either. He seems to have left out the fact that I had no problem allowing him to return to some of my best bird spots. So excuse the hell out of me for thinking it would be reciprocal.
When he confronted me about it I owned it and I have since apologized and assured him I wouldn't do it again in the future. But apparently his almost losing one of the 9 billion available honey holes he has at his disposal was more than he could bare. As a result, we are no longer what I (or anyone else for that matter) would consider friends.
As far as Dave is concerned I've apologized to him as well. I just didn't do it on the open forum. He knows I'm doing what I can to get him his money. I understand his being pissed off, but I have apologized and I'm doing what I can right now to get him his money.
Thank you again to all of those that have shown support. As stated in my initial post, my intention was not to make this a pissing match.
Travis
Seems like they're both still pissed.
,...might be time to say "fuggit" and move on to step 10.
This thread is the poster child for why you don't handle personal stuff on an open internet forum. Every douche nozzle has to pipe in with an opinion on whether this is real, not real, who's the good guy, who's the bad guy, etc. Shut it down and handle your stuff privately or the juveniles will just continue to turn this thread into a freak show.
As far as Dave is concerned I've apologized to him as well. I just didn't do it on the open forum. He knows I'm doing what I can to get him his money. I understand his being pissed off, but I have apologized and I'm doing what I can right now to get him his money.
If it'll help, I can send Dave $200 in exchange for THE Truck Gun. I'll even come up and get it.
I have already apologized to shrapnel. His post doesn't tell the full story either. He seems to have left out the fact that I had no problem allowing him to return to some of my best bird spots. So excuse the hell out of me for thinking it would be reciprocal.
When he confronted me about it I owned it and I have since apologized and assured him I wouldn't do it again in the future. But apparently his almost losing one of the 9 billion available honey holes he has at his disposal was more than he could bare. As a result, we are no longer what I (or anyone else for that matter) would consider friends.
As far as Dave is concerned I've apologized to him as well. I just didn't do it on the open forum. He knows I'm doing what I can to get him his money. I understand his being pissed off, but I have apologized and I'm doing what I can right now to get him his money.
Thank you again to all of those that have shown support. As stated in my initial post, my intention was not to make this a pissing match.
Travis
Seems like they're both still pissed.
,...might be time to say "fuggit" and move on to step 10.
What is step 10, anyway?
Dunno about #10, but the program seems to work on an honor system much like golf.
I have already apologized to shrapnel. His post doesn't tell the full story either. He seems to have left out the fact that I had no problem allowing him to return to some of my best bird spots. So excuse the hell out of me for thinking it would be reciprocal.
When he confronted me about it I owned it and I have since apologized and assured him I wouldn't do it again in the future. But apparently his almost losing one of the 9 billion available honey holes he has at his disposal was more than he could bare. As a result, we are no longer what I (or anyone else for that matter) would consider friends.
As far as Dave is concerned I've apologized to him as well. I just didn't do it on the open forum. He knows I'm doing what I can to get him his money. I understand his being pissed off, but I have apologized and I'm doing what I can right now to get him his money.
Thank you again to all of those that have shown support. As stated in my initial post, my intention was not to make this a pissing match.
Travis
Seems like they're both still pissed.
,...might be time to say "fuggit" and move on to step 10.
What is step 10, anyway?
step 10 is where you celebrate your apology tour by drinking a half a quart of turk and staggering around the house in your wife beater saying "what are YOU looking at" to anyone who gives you the stink eye. thats steps 11-13 too actually.
I have already apologized to shrapnel. His post doesn't tell the full story either. He seems to have left out the fact that I had no problem allowing him to return to some of my best bird spots. So excuse the hell out of me for thinking it would be reciprocal.
When he confronted me about it I owned it and I have since apologized and assured him I wouldn't do it again in the future. But apparently his almost losing one of the 9 billion available honey holes he has at his disposal was more than he could bare. As a result, we are no longer what I (or anyone else for that matter) would consider friends.
As far as Dave is concerned I've apologized to him as well. I just didn't do it on the open forum. He knows I'm doing what I can to get him his money. I understand his being pissed off, but I have apologized and I'm doing what I can right now to get him his money.
Thank you again to all of those that have shown support. As stated in my initial post, my intention was not to make this a pissing match.
Travis
I had an employer once, when I was just a young punk, that had a funny saying, that carried a lot of weight as I got old enough to appreciate it. When we came in from the field in the afternoon he would be sitting at the drawing table drinking an Oly beer. The fridge in the shop usually had lots of it inside. Sometimes we would sit a while and chat about the day, or about hunting. Sometimes he'd offer a beer, sometimes not.
He'd say, " That's mine to give not yours to take". That's how I see other peoples hunting spots. It's theirs to give, not mine to take. I don't even want to be there, it's not mine. Someone else earned it, paid the price. I'd be stealing from them to use their spot without their express permission. And even then, I'd rather go someplace else.
I have already apologized to shrapnel. His post doesn't tell the full story either. He seems to have left out the fact that I had no problem allowing him to return to some of my best bird spots. So excuse the hell out of me for thinking it would be reciprocal.
When he confronted me about it I owned it and I have since apologized and assured him I wouldn't do it again in the future. But apparently his almost losing one of the 9 billion available honey holes he has at his disposal was more than he could bare. As a result, we are no longer what I (or anyone else for that matter) would consider friends.
As far as Dave is concerned I've apologized to him as well. I just didn't do it on the open forum. He knows I'm doing what I can to get him his money. I understand his being pissed off, but I have apologized and I'm doing what I can right now to get him his money.
Thank you again to all of those that have shown support. As stated in my initial post, my intention was not to make this a pissing match.
Travis
I had an employer once, when I was just a young punk, that had a funny saying, that carried a lot of weight as I got old enough to appreciate it. When we came in from the field in the afternoon he would be sitting at the drawing table drinking an Oly beer. The fridge in the shop usually had lots of it inside. Sometimes we would sit a while and chat about the day, or about hunting. Sometimes he'd offer a beer, sometimes not.
He'd say, " That's mine to give not yours to take". That's how I see other peoples hunting spots. It's theirs to give, not mine to take. I don't even want to be there, it's not mine. Someone else earned it, paid the price. I'd be stealing from them to use their spot without their express permission. And even then, I'd rather go someplace else.
step 10 is where you celebrate your apology tour by drinking a half a quart of turk and staggering around the house in your wife beater saying "what are YOU looking at" to anyone who gives you the stink eye. thats steps 11-13 too actually.
I don't care how many directions this thread has turned, that's funny chit right there!
Can't say that this thread has not been interesting. For certain, Travis owed me no apologies or anything else and, to the extent that his OP was straight-up, I'm in his corner and wishing him every success.
I don't know the "Steps", but if #9 has been to make amends/apologize/etc. I can understand why he chose to act openly in this place where he has operated so widely and possibly offended many. What he has done here does not mean that he is not doing so privately or otherwise with others elsewhere - his business alone.
That said, Travis, it is my perception that - if your are in earnest - you might be better off ignoring the contents of this thread (and any others like it that may pop up) and concentrate on your described mission. You always can chime in to this place when it is good for you. That is just simple peception from someone who has not "been there".
And, I sure do understand the views of those who are doubtful of sincerity and even suspect an organized spoof - have certainly considered that aspect. But, given the issues involved, I sure can suspend all of that with some hope of being supportive of a guy who may need it. If the scam suspicions are proven accurate, that stuff could easily be dealt with at a later time.
I have already apologized to shrapnel. His post doesn't tell the full story either. He seems to have left out the fact that I had no problem allowing him to return to some of my best bird spots. So excuse the hell out of me for thinking it would be reciprocal.
When he confronted me about it I owned it and I have since apologized and assured him I wouldn't do it again in the future. But apparently his almost losing one of the 9 billion available honey holes he has at his disposal was more than he could bare. As a result, we are no longer what I (or anyone else for that matter) would consider friends.
As far as Dave is concerned I've apologized to him as well. I just didn't do it on the open forum. He knows I'm doing what I can to get him his money. I understand his being pissed off, but I have apologized and I'm doing what I can right now to get him his money.
Thank you again to all of those that have shown support. As stated in my initial post, my intention was not to make this a pissing match.
Travis
Seems like they're both still pissed.
,...might be time to say "fuggit" and move on to step 10.
I have already apologized to shrapnel. His post doesn't tell the full story either. He seems to have left out the fact that I had no problem allowing him to return to some of my best bird spots. So excuse the hell out of me for thinking it would be reciprocal.
When he confronted me about it I owned it and I have since apologized and assured him I wouldn't do it again in the future. But apparently his almost losing one of the 9 billion available honey holes he has at his disposal was more than he could bare. As a result, we are no longer what I (or anyone else for that matter) would consider friends.
As far as Dave is concerned I've apologized to him as well. I just didn't do it on the open forum. He knows I'm doing what I can to get him his money. I understand his being pissed off, but I have apologized and I'm doing what I can right now to get him his money.
Thank you again to all of those that have shown support. As stated in my initial post, my intention was not to make this a pissing match.
Travis
Seems like they're both still pissed.
,...might be time to say "fuggit" and move on to step 10.
Can't say that this thread has not been interesting. For certain, Travis owed me no apologies or anything else and, to the extent that his OP was straight-up, I'm in his corner and wishing him every success.
I don't know the "Steps", but if #9 has been to make amends/apologize/etc. I can understand why he chose to act openly in this place where he has operated so widely and possibly offended many. What he has done here does not mean that he is not doing so privately or otherwise with others elsewhere - his business alone.
That said, Travis, it is my perception that - if your are in earnest - you might be better off ignoring the contents of this thread (and any others like it that may pop up) and conentrate on your described mission. You always can chime in to this place when it is good for you. That is just simple peception from someone who has not "been there".
And, I sure do understand the views of those who are doubtful of sincerity and even suspect an organized spoof - have certainly considered that aspect. But, given the issues involved, I sure can suspend all of that with some hope of being supportive of a guy who may need it. If the scam suspicions are proven accurate, that stuff could easily be dealt with at a later time.
“You shall not covet your neighbour's house, you shall not covet your neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is your neighbour's.”
I know the ass and manservant one has a bunch of you squirming.
I have already apologized to shrapnel. His post doesn't tell the full story either. He seems to have left out the fact that I had no problem allowing him to return to some of my best bird spots. So excuse the hell out of me for thinking it would be reciprocal.
When he confronted me about it I owned it and I have since apologized and assured him I wouldn't do it again in the future. But apparently his almost losing one of the 9 billion available honey holes he has at his disposal was more than he could bare. As a result, we are no longer what I (or anyone else for that matter) would consider friends.
As far as Dave is concerned I've apologized to him as well. I just didn't do it on the open forum. He knows I'm doing what I can to get him his money. I understand his being pissed off, but I have apologized and I'm doing what I can right now to get him his money.
Thank you again to all of those that have shown support. As stated in my initial post, my intention was not to make this a pissing match.
Travis
Seems like they're both still pissed.
,...might be time to say "fuggit" and move on to step 10.
What is step 10, anyway?
I need a glass like that.
Mine looks like that after 5 Martinis and it ain't got no stem.
“You shall not covet your neighbour's house, you shall not covet your neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is your neighbour's.”
I know the ass and manservant one has a bunch of you squirming.
It was the ox that got me...damn that is one fine looking ox though!
There's a reason to keep a line between yourself and these anonymous internet people. Maybe the person on the other end is real, maybe it's just an act and perhaps they really are the world class azzhole they seem to be.
Either way, I'm not the best judge of character so if you know your own weakness, protect yourself from it.
ND seems like one of those people who was too damned nice and let themselves get taken advantage of by someone who came across as a fun loving azzhat who really, probably, maybe deep down was a good guy beneath the act they put up here.
Have a feeling this latest clusterF woke up a helluva lot of fellas around here. I'm sure there's a lot of good people around but how the hell can you really know?
I have already apologized to shrapnel. His post doesn't tell the full story either. He seems to have left out the fact that I had no problem allowing him to return to some of my best bird spots. So excuse the hell out of me for thinking it would be reciprocal.
When he confronted me about it I owned it and I have since apologized and assured him I wouldn't do it again in the future. But apparently his almost losing one of the 9 billion available honey holes he has at his disposal was more than he could bare. As a result, we are no longer what I (or anyone else for that matter) would consider friends.
As far as Dave is concerned I've apologized to him as well. I just didn't do it on the open forum. He knows I'm doing what I can to get him his money. I understand his being pissed off, but I have apologized and I'm doing what I can right now to get him his money.
Thank you again to all of those that have shown support. As stated in my initial post, my intention was not to make this a pissing match.
Travis
Perfect time to get to a BIBLE teaching church.
(I wonder if he paid Safariman to write that post?)
Alright Travis, here's what's going to happen. I'm on my way to see you, when I get there we will figure out a way for you to make things square with me.
I have 3 options in mind.
You can put $1500 cash in my hand and I'll get back in my truck and go home.
You can hand me $1500 worth of firearms (no junk!). It's got to be something I can sell back home for a total of $1500 and I'll get back in my truck and go home.
Or, since you are so good at truck deals, you can buy my truck and I'll take Amtrak back home. I already checked and I can hop a train from Havre to Grand Forks ND for 94 bucks. That puts me real close to home.
I'll sell you this truck for what I have in it plus $1500.
It's a 69 F100 100% original survivor (with exception of the rims, they are not original), obviously it runs and drives very good or I wouldn't be taking off later today on a 720 mile trip with it. Your price on this actual real truck is $3200. With your sales skills you can likely dump it the same day for $3500, be done with me and buy yourself a couple of cases of O'doul's.
Those are the 3 options, I don't care which one you choose. We will figure it out though and I am coming there because it will be harder for you to procrastinate if I'm right there with my hand out.
So, either rake together $1500 cash, or start looking at your guns and figure out what adds up to $1500 on a fire sale. Or, go to your bank and ask for a vehicle loan for $3200.
Worse case, you fire sale the orange truck for $1600 and you owe your bank $1500 instead of owing me $1500.
Either way, we both currently have a problem that is soon going to be 100% your problem alone.
I want this behind me, frankly I don't care what you want but it's likely you would be better off with this resolved as well.
I'm leaving later today, staying with a friend in Williston area tonight. I am coming, and you aren't going to trick me into turning around with "Hey, I mailed your money." so don't bother txting or calling me with that crap.
Oh Christ. I was hoping it wouldn't come down to something like this. northern dave is top notch folk and one of the best friends a guy could ask for.
That said, knowing him for 10 years now, he's the type that will let this stew and not let it go. To the point where he can't sleep, can't eat, can't concentrate on anything else.I've seen it a few times. Especially with cars, just gets it in his mind it has to be done and does what it takes to do it. Being self employed, a man needs the money he can get so there can be cash flow in the shop, so I can see how this escalated.
Travis, find some cash, all the cash. That's all I'm saying.
If they could have somehow brought Safariman and Asphalt Angel into this or convinced JB/Muledeer to play a part, imagine the board meltdown it would have caused...
Oh Christ. I was hoping it wouldn't come down to something like this. northern dave is top notch folk and one of the best friends a guy could ask for.
That said, knowing him for 10 years now, he's the type that will let this stew and not let it go. To the point where he can't sleep, can't eat, can't concentrate on anything else.I've seen it a few times. Especially with cars, just gets it in his mind it has to be done and does what it takes to do it. Being self employed, a man needs the money he can get so there can be cash flow in the shop, so I can see how this escalated.
Travis, find some cash, all the cash. That's all I'm saying.
Either he's piling on a recovering drunk....or he's participating in a classless prank/hoax.
Which scenario maintains his 'top notch folk' status?
This thread is the poster child for why you don't handle personal stuff on an open internet forum. Every douche nozzle has to pipe in with an opinion on whether this is real, not real, who's the good guy, who's the bad guy, etc. Shut it down and handle your stuff privately or the juveniles will just continue to turn this thread into a freak show.
Exactly right. Deflave has always been an attention freak. I'll bet there was a few here besides me that could see through the BS and wasted no time on him. I already feel stupid about reading this much.
Oh Christ. I was hoping it wouldn't come down to something like this. northern dave is top notch folk and one of the best friends a guy could ask for.
That said, knowing him for 10 years now, he's the type that will let this stew and not let it go. To the point where he can't sleep, can't eat, can't concentrate on anything else.I've seen it a few times. Especially with cars, just gets it in his mind it has to be done and does what it takes to do it. Being self employed, a man needs the money he can get so there can be cash flow in the shop, so I can see how this escalated.
Travis, find some cash, all the cash. That's all I'm saying.
Shop time lost while traveling + fuel +any tolls + eats is gonna equal close to if not more'n $1,500.00.
So Travis bought or bought and sold a new/old truck, being delivered on Friday. Pretty good set up guys but some are going to be mad on how you are going about it. I'm guessing the truck is already sold to someone, tickets for the train bought for the trip home and then the big announcement.
Oh Christ. I was hoping it wouldn't come down to something like this. northern dave is top notch folk and one of the best friends a guy could ask for.
That said, knowing him for 10 years now, he's the type that will let this stew and not let it go. To the point where he can't sleep, can't eat, can't concentrate on anything else.I've seen it a few times. Especially with cars, just gets it in his mind it has to be done and does what it takes to do it. Being self employed, a man needs the money he can get so there can be cash flow in the shop, so I can see how this escalated.
Travis, find some cash, all the cash. That's all I'm saying.
Shop time lost while traveling + fuel +any tolls + eats is gonna equal close to if not more'n $1,500.00.
So predictable it's boring. Come on Clark, you need to up your game.
How bout jail time? Assault with a deadly weapon with some supporting media releases, house fire, wife murdered, children kidnapped, paralyzed from the neck down, severed appendage, burned head, grossly disfigured by an industrial accident, parents taken hostage by the Mexican drug cartels, airplane crash, tornado, sister abducted by bright lights, something.
Tree stand fell with you in it, hit by a car, struck by lightning, piano fell out a 4th story window on your head, car crushed by a meteor, attacked by grizzly bear while paintballing him drunk, crashing a college party and getting busted for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, gas explosion at home, welding accident, spear through your head, gangrene of the penis, frostbite, spontaneous combustion, poltergeist in the house, rat invasion, insurance fraud, federal arrest warrant, loss of swimming pool privileges, something.
I think I see an ending to this script. Sometime before the end of the day, one of them will kill the other, but by dawn tomorrow the dead one will return to life, and the board will found a major new religion.
I think I see an ending to this script. Sometime before the end of the day, one of them will kill the other, but by dawn tomorrow the dead one will return to life, and the board will found a major new religion.
So predictable it's boring. Come on Clark, you need to up your game.
How bout jail time? Assault with a deadly weapon with some supporting media releases, house fire, wife murdered, children kidnapped, paralyzed from the neck down, severed appendage, burned head, grossly disfigured by an industrial accident, parents taken hostage by the Mexican drug cartels, airplane crash, tornado, sister abducted by bright lights, something.
Tree stand fell with you in it, hit by a car, struck by lightning, piano fell out a 4th story window on your head, car crushed by a meteor, attacked by grizzly bear while paintballing him drunk, crashing a college party and getting busted for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, gas explosion at home, welding accident, spear through your head, gangrene of the penis, frostbite, spontaneous combustion, poltergeist in the house, rat invasion, insurance fraud, federal arrest warrant, loss of swimming pool privileges, something.
Dunno.
As transparent as it is, this passion play has got you injecting your real-life drama into it as a subplot. I'd say it's dun pretty good. I've been entertained by it.
So predictable it's boring. Come on Clark, you need to up your game.
How bout jail time? Assault with a deadly weapon with some supporting media releases, house fire, wife murdered, children kidnapped, paralyzed from the neck down, severed appendage, burned head, grossly disfigured by an industrial accident, parents taken hostage by the Mexican drug cartels, airplane crash, tornado, sister abducted by bright lights, something.
Tree stand fell with you in it, hit by a car, struck by lightning, piano fell out a 4th story window on your head, car crushed by a meteor, attacked by grizzly bear while paintballing him drunk, crashing a college party and getting busted for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, gas explosion at home, welding accident, spear through your head, gangrene of the penis, frostbite, spontaneous combustion, poltergeist in the house, rat invasion, insurance fraud, federal arrest warrant, loss of swimming pool privileges, something.
I'm sorry for throwing my problem out here in the open and I'm sorry for being so short with members here. In particular CCCC and Mr Jeep wagoneer. I'm sorry guys, you may or may not have been joking, either way it's all good. Thanks to those members that have called, txt or PMd with concern.
Live and learn.
With that, I am out of this thread, I no longer have business here.
Shrapnel- 'flave has an opening for tomorrow, April 1......so now you can drive all those miles to deliver those smelly beer cans to the recovering scoundrel.
Make him call and apologize to those poor Pronghorn hunters too.
I think I see an ending to this script. Sometime before the end of the day, one of them will kill the other, but by dawn tomorrow the dead one will return to life, and the board will found a major new religion.
So I guess we'll either be called 'flaveish or Daveish?
I wasn't going to bring this up publicly but for whatever reason this thread seems like the proper venue.
A couple years ago Flave was traveling through and ended up crashing at my house. I thought all was fine until the next day when my wife noticed that one of our decorative couch pillows was missing. (we are talking like a $35 pillow from Pier One, not some cheap chit...)
Sure enough, we reviewed our security camera footage and Flave not only stuffed the pillow into his backpack but he had also masturbated on it the night before.
I still think of him as a brother, I mean what the hell right?
I wasn't going to bring this up publicly but for whatever reason this thread seems like the proper venue.
A couple years ago Flave was traveling through and ended up crashing at my house. I thought all was fine until the next day when my wife noticed that one of our decorative couch pillows was missing. (we are talking like a $35 pillow from Pier One, not some cheap chit...)
Sure enough, we reviewed our security camera footage and Flave not only stuffed the pillow into his backpack but he had also masturbated on it the night before.
I still think of him as a brother, I mean what the hell right?
I wasn't going to bring this up publicly but for whatever reason this thread seems like the proper venue.
A couple years ago Flave was traveling through and ended up crashing at my house. I thought all was fine until the next day when my wife noticed that one of our decorative couch pillows was missing. (we are talking like a $35 pillow from Pier One, not some cheap chit...)
Sure enough, we reviewed our security camera footage and Flave not only stuffed the pillow into his backpack but he had also masturbated on it the night before.
I still think of him as a brother, I mean what the hell right?
I had a similar experience with Travis, except I never did figure out what happened to my chickens.
I wasn't going to bring this up publicly but for whatever reason this thread seems like the proper venue.
A couple years ago Flave was traveling through and ended up crashing at my house. I thought all was fine until the next day when my wife noticed that one of our decorative couch pillows was missing. (we are talking like a $35 pillow from Pier One, not some cheap chit...)
Sure enough, we reviewed our security camera footage and Flave not only stuffed the pillow into his backpack but he had also masturbated on it the night before.
I still think of him as a brother, I mean what the hell right?
Thanks for the humor Sam.
I could use more of this, and less of the bullschit.
I wasn't going to bring this up publicly but for whatever reason this thread seems like the proper venue.
A couple years ago Flave was traveling through and ended up crashing at my house. I thought all was fine until the next day when my wife noticed that one of our decorative couch pillows was missing. (we are talking like a $35 pillow from Pier One, not some cheap chit...)
Sure enough, we reviewed our security camera footage and Flave not only stuffed the pillow into his backpack but he had also masturbated on it the night before.
I still think of him as a brother, I mean what the hell right?
Kenneth, it wouldn't be such a big deal but the pillow was from the now discontinued Coastal Waters collection, an Embroidered Octopus Pillow to be exact.
Kenneth, it wouldn't be such a big deal but the pillow was from the now discontinued Coastal Waters collection, an Embroidered Octopus Pillow to be exact.
Hey, I seen that pillow. It's in northern daves waiting room at the shop.
I wasn't going to bring this up publicly but for whatever reason this thread seems like the proper venue.
A couple years ago Flave was traveling through and ended up crashing at my house. I thought all was fine until the next day when my wife noticed that one of our decorative couch pillows was missing. (we are talking like a $35 pillow from Pier One, not some cheap chit...)
Sure enough, we reviewed our security camera footage and Flave not only stuffed the pillow into his backpack but he had also masturbated on it the night before.
I still think of him as a brother, I mean what the hell right?
I'm crying here!
I know what it's like to lose a good pillow.
caught him on the nanny cam
good on ya Sammo
cattle rancher by day
Columbo by night
you know if you get that pillow back and smooth out some of those stitches
A couple years ago Flave was traveling through and ended up crashing at my house.
Sure enough, we reviewed our security camera footage and Flave not only stuffed the pillow into his backpack but he had also masturbated on it the night before.
Was there an 8x10 picture of you on the end table of the couch he slept on?
A couple years ago Flave was traveling through and ended up crashing at my house.
Sure enough, we reviewed our security camera footage and Flave not only stuffed the pillow into his backpack but he had also masturbated on it the night before.
Was there an 8x10 picture of you on the end table of the couch he slept on?
Just looked and that is missing as well. Damn you Flave!
I wasn't going to bring this up publicly but for whatever reason this thread seems like the proper venue.
A couple years ago Flave was traveling through and ended up crashing at my house. I thought all was fine until the next day when my wife noticed that one of our decorative couch pillows was missing. (we are talking like a $35 pillow from Pier One, not some cheap chit...)
Sure enough, we reviewed our security camera footage and Flave not only stuffed the pillow into his backpack but he had also masturbated on it the night before.
I still think of him as a brother, I mean what the hell right?
Thanks for the humor Sam.
I could use more of this, and less of the bullschit.
Travis
I have not found you objectionable...best of luck with your quest.
I'm beginning to understand how so many of the members here have been taken in by Trump.
If this was meant as a slap at Travis it was tasteless, poorly timed and gutless. The man made a sincere apology, and while I hope I'm misinterpreting your comment, I think what you said was a very poor choice of words.
I'm beginning to understand how so many of the members here have been taken in by Trump.
If this was meant as a slap at Travis it was tasteless, poorly timed and gutless. The man made a sincere apology, and while I hope I'm misinterpreting your comment, I think what you said was a very poor choice of words.
Dammit Travis, when I got home I was expecting a "fund me" account set up for the POS ford....
Samo, I guess your on the hook for my cash now!! I'm in to help replace that pillow....lol. You better be glad you took your hat to bed with ya, it might have gotten abused too....
As you read those 12 steps on the wall, count how many times alcohol is mentioned. Now, count how many times GOD, or reference to HIM (higher power in secular groups) is made. Is the problem alcohol? Or is it a lack of GOD problem? We are all broken, but our brokenness just manifests itself differently. We are created in GOD's image, created to be a vessel filled with HIM, so HE can showcase HIMSELF thru our lives to a lost and dying world. That is our purpose...... When that spot within our hearts that is created for HIM is void of HIM, we will stuff anything we can in that void, trying to fill it. Sex, drugs, rock and roll, exercise, work, religion, education, you name it. NOTHING can fill that void, except HIM. Start from step one. JESUS is the only answer to self centeredness, the disease of sin that all of mankind suffers from. Don't try to just change the behavior (drinking), it's only a symptom of a deeper spiritual issue. Seek JESUS (Matt.6:25-34) He will change your life forever(eternally). Take care Brother, GOD bless.
As you read those 12 steps on the wall, count how many times alcohol is mentioned. Now, count how many times GOD, or reference to HIM (higher power in secular groups) is made. Is the problem alcohol? Or is it a lack of GOD problem? We are all broken, but our brokenness just manifests itself differently. We are created in GOD's image, created to be a vessel filled with HIM, so HE can showcase HIMSELF thru our lives to a lost and dying world. That is our purpose...... When that spot within our hearts that is created for HIM is void of HIM, we will stuff anything we can in that void, trying to fill it. Sex, drugs, rock and roll, exercise, work, religion, education, you name it. NOTHING can fill that void, except HIM. Start from step one. JESUS is the only answer to self centeredness, the disease of sin that all of mankind suffers from. Don't try to just change the behavior (drinking), it's only a symptom of a deeper spiritual issue. Seek JESUS (Matt.6:25-34) He will change your life forever(eternally). Take care Brother, GOD bless.
I could not agree more, brother.
Big day today. Praying that this morning goes well.
Hope you're putting as much time & energy into AA as you did to being the biggest dikhead on the 'Fire. In addition to counseling for alcohol addiction you should seek help for your affinity for crude language and putting others down. If you're as good a man as your supporters say you are you owe it to yourself and others. This is meant as a suggestion for your recovery and hope you take it that way. Good luck with your recovery, looking forward to your return as a gentleman free of alcohol and uncivil language/behavior. GFY as well as alcohol need to be put behind you.
Hope you're putting as much time & energy into AA as you did to being the biggest dikhead on the 'Fire. In addition to counseling for alcohol addiction you should seek help for your affinity for crude language and putting others down. If you're as good a man as your supporters say you are you owe it to yourself and others. This is meant as a suggestion for your recovery and hope you take it that way. Good luck with your recovery, looking forward to your return as a gentleman free of alcohol and uncivil language/behavior. GFY as well as alcohol need to be put behind you.
Don't sweat it Warren Jensen, I'll cover his slack where you're concerned and I can promise I'll NEVER seek redemption.
Dammit Travis, when I got home I was expecting a "fund me" account set up for the POS ford....
Samo, I guess your on the hook for my cash now!! I'm in to help replace that pillow....lol. You better be glad you took your hat to bed with ya, it might have gotten abused too....
Hope you're putting as much time & energy into AA as you did to being the biggest dikhead on the 'Fire. In addition to counseling for alcohol addiction you should seek help for your affinity for crude language and putting others down. If you're as good a man as your supporters say you are you owe it to yourself and others. This is meant as a suggestion for your recovery and hope you take it that way. Good luck with your recovery, looking forward to your return as a gentleman free of alcohol and uncivil language/behavior. GFY as well as alcohol need to be put behind you.
Don't sweat it Warren Jensen, I'll cover his slack where you're concerned and I can promise I'll NEVER seek redemption.
Dammit Travis, when I got home I was expecting a "fund me" account set up for the POS ford....
Samo, I guess your on the hook for my cash now!! I'm in to help replace that pillow....lol. You better be glad you took your hat to bed with ya, it might have gotten abused too....
Dammit Travis, when I got home I was expecting a "fund me" account set up for the POS ford....
Samo, I guess your on the hook for my cash now!! I'm in to help replace that pillow....lol. You better be glad you took your hat to bed with ya, it might have gotten abused too....
Your money would be better spent elsewhere....
As would your time.
Doesn't Mule Deer have some menial task he could assign you?
Don't sweat it Warren Jensen, I'll cover his slack where you're concerned and I can promise I'll NEVER seek redemption.
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I'll say this, you have mastered the art of Internet Threat making against folks and their families to such a high level....the finest purveyor of it here....and that's no easy task....
ND, if you like that, you should look closer to home. I happen to have a 64 that would be a great project for you. something I've always wanted to fix up.
ND, if you like that, you should look closer to home. I happen to have a 64 that would be a great project for you. something I've always wanted to fix up.
Well if it isn't a prank and at this point I cant see any humor in this. It's just sad, some of the responses are sad. The behavior is sad, nothing good about any of this.
ND, if you like that, you should look closer to home. I happen to have a 64 that would be a great project for you. something I've always wanted to fix up.
Thanks buddy, I know I can trust YOU.
This guy has said he's done with this thread more times than the Judd's announced the last farewell tour.
ND, if you like that, you should look closer to home. I happen to have a 64 that would be a great project for you. something I've always wanted to fix up.
Thanks buddy, I know I can trust YOU.
This guy has said he's done with this thread more times than the Judd's announced the last farewell tour.
In any possible scenario.....IT IS A JOKE.
You are obsessed aren't you?
An actual friend of mine that I know well, made a post to me so I answered him.
As you read those 12 steps on the wall, count how many times alcohol is mentioned. Now, count how many times GOD, or reference to HIM (higher power in secular groups) is made. Is the problem alcohol? Or is it a lack of GOD problem? We are all broken, but our brokenness just manifests itself differently. We are created in GOD's image, created to be a vessel filled with HIM, so HE can showcase HIMSELF thru our lives to a lost and dying world. That is our purpose...... When that spot within our hearts that is created for HIM is void of HIM, we will stuff anything we can in that void, trying to fill it. Sex, drugs, rock and roll, exercise, work, religion, education, you name it. NOTHING can fill that void, except HIM. Start from step one. JESUS is the only answer to self centeredness, the disease of sin that all of mankind suffers from. Don't try to just change the behavior (drinking), it's only a symptom of a deeper spiritual issue. Seek JESUS (Matt.6:25-34) He will change your life forever(eternally). Take care Brother, GOD bless.
I could not agree more, brother.
Big day today. Praying that this morning goes well.
Thanks again, Travis
I think you've found the right path. Don't stray too far from it. Best of luck to you.
ND, if you like that, you should look closer to home. I happen to have a 64 that would be a great project for you. something I've always wanted to fix up.
Thanks buddy, I know I can trust YOU.
This guy has said he's done with this thread more times than the Judd's announced the last farewell tour.
In any possible scenario.....IT IS A JOKE.
You are obsessed aren't you?
An actual friend of mine that I know well, made a post to me so I answered him.
PM message.
BTW, would you turn on him if he was a drunk in rehab....if he owed you money......on an open forum?
Well if it isn't a prank and at this point I cant see any humor in this. It's just sad, some of the responses are sad. The behavior is sad, nothing good about any of this.
I never for a moment thought it was joke and if true then there is good coming out of this. One man, a man I believe is a good one, is getting free of the monkey on his back and getting his life in order. To me that is a real good thing and I stand with him in his battle.
Thanks again to all who have supported and prayed for me. I have some great news.
The suppression hearing went my way and the prosecution will have no choice but to decline the case. This is a HUGE weight off my family and my own shoulders right now. Not only do we not have to concern ourselves with a potential conviction (and subsequent prison time), but the lawyer fees will be considerably less than we feared and planned for.
Could not be happier. I owe it all to the choices I've made.
Thanks again for the support. Headed back to Havre now.
Congratulations, it couldn't have happened for a better man. Now just don't fall of the wagon, celebrate quietly with your family. I'm glad you took my advice and didn't try to represent yourself.
Thanks again to all who have supported and prayed for me. I have some great news.
The suppression hearing went my way and the prosecution will have no choice but to decline the case. This is a HUGE weight off my family and my own shoulders right now. Not only do we not have to concern ourselves with a potential conviction (and subsequent prison time), but the lawyer fees will be considerably less than we feared and planned for.
Could not be happier. I owe it all to the choices I've made.
Thanks again for the support. Headed back to Havre now.
Travis
Were the attorney fees really $1500 less than you had anticipated?
Good thing ND didn't arrive today, given 'flave was gone...fighting for his freedom in court.
What are the odds?
Originally Posted by northern_dave
Alright Travis, here's what's going to happen. I'm on my way to see you, when I get there we will figure out a way for you to make things square with me.
I have 3 options in mind.
You can put $1500 cash in my hand and I'll get back in my truck and go home.
You can hand me $1500 worth of firearms (no junk!). It's got to be something I can sell back home for a total of $1500 and I'll get back in my truck and go home.
Or, since you are so good at truck deals, you can buy my truck and I'll take Amtrak back home. I already checked and I can hop a train from Havre to Grand Forks ND for 94 bucks. That puts me real close to home.
I'll sell you this truck for what I have in it plus $1500.
It's a 69 F100 100% original survivor (with exception of the rims, they are not original), obviously it runs and drives very good or I wouldn't be taking off later today on a 720 mile trip with it. Your price on this actual real truck is $3200. With your sales skills you can likely dump it the same day for $3500, be done with me and buy yourself a couple of cases of O'doul's.
Those are the 3 options, I don't care which one you choose. We will figure it out though and I am coming there because it will be harder for you to procrastinate if I'm right there with my hand out.
So, either rake together $1500 cash, or start looking at your guns and figure out what adds up to $1500 on a fire sale. Or, go to your bank and ask for a vehicle loan for $3200.
Worse case, you fire sale the orange truck for $1600 and you owe your bank $1500 instead of owing me $1500.
Either way, we both currently have a problem that is soon going to be 100% your problem alone.
I want this behind me, frankly I don't care what you want but it's likely you would be better off with this resolved as well.
I'm leaving later today, staying with a friend in Williston area tonight. I am coming, and you aren't going to trick me into turning around with "Hey, I mailed your money." so don't bother txting or calling me with that crap.
Kenneth, it wouldn't be such a big deal but the pillow was from the now discontinued Coastal Waters collection, an Embroidered Octopus Pillow to be exact.
What I thought was a nice gesture by deflave when he gave me the pillow below appears now to be an attempt to get rid of evidence. I was going to post it in shrapnel's living room thread but glad I saved myself the embarrassment. BTW, is it normal for embroidery to flake off?
Kenneth, it wouldn't be such a big deal but the pillow was from the now discontinued Coastal Waters collection, an Embroidered Octopus Pillow to be exact.
What I thought was a nice gesture by deflave when he gave me the pillow below appears now to be an attempt to get rid of evidence. I was going to post it in shrapnel's living room thread but glad I saved myself the embarrassment. BTW, is it normal for embroidery to flake off?
I'm laughing so hard my coworkers are looking at me like I'm crazy!
BTW Sam that's one ugly pillow. I'd be happy it's gone.
Can't express how good I feel right now. Such a relief. This clean living stuff is going very well so far.
Don't really understand the questions about money. I was talking about the difference between $10K and $40K. Not a piddling $1,500.00. Maybe just a lack of life experience for some you guys. Legal misunderstandings can get very expensive.
Also, Dave is not driving out here. Not sure why anybody would think he was. He clearly stated that I paid my debt and that all was forgiven.
Can't express how good I feel right now. Such a relief. This clean living stuff is going very well so far.
Don't really understand the questions about money. I was talking about the difference between $10K and $40K. Not a piddling $1,500.00. Maybe just a lack of life experience for some you guys. Legal misunderstandings can get very expensive.
Also, Dave is not driving out here. Not sure why anybody would think he was. He clearly stated that I paid my debt and that all was forgiven.
Since you won't answer your PM's or text messages, God forbid you activate your [bleep] voicemail, maybe you can come on here and tell me where the [bleep] my $300?
In case you've forgotten, it's what you owe me for the dirtbike. I'm a patient man, but 6 months is a little ridiculous.
It has been awhile since I have followed any of the threads here but if I remember correctly you are pro-Trump. Correct? He has been doing really well. I'm thinking he'd be just what our country needs right now.
Since you won't answer your PM's or text messages, God forbid you activate your [bleep] voicemail, maybe you can come on here and tell me where the [bleep] my $300?
In case you've forgotten, it's what you owe me for the dirtbike. I'm a patient man, but 6 months is a little ridiculous.
Hell, this carnival ride has done all but pulled into the phuggin station... it's a bit late to be trying to buy your ticket now!
Since you won't answer your PM's or text messages, God forbid you activate your [bleep] voicemail, maybe you can come on here and tell me where the [bleep] my $300?
In case you've forgotten, it's what you owe me for the dirtbike. I'm a patient man, but 6 months is a little ridiculous.
This is true but I believe Gruff posted this in jest as he knew my pending situation.
the gossip here has it that 1500 went awol for almost a quarter of a year,
truth or not?
Sorry. But it's a little more complicated than that.
Travis
Was the truck with the fake pictures complicated?
I'll give quite a bit of slack to someone on the bottle. There's years when I was young I still don't remember. But if you're trying to come clean, you're not doing a very good job of it.
And if this really is some amusing little game the 2 of you are playing, you both need a swift kick in the balls. There's good harmless fun and then there's really [bleep] with people.
I seriously don't want a thing from him. It was a dig, poorly placed on my part. I have my money, I have my lesson learned, it's just a little hard to take all of his slanderous digs "half truths" "drama queen" "its not as simple as that".
It is as simple as that, I'm financially out of it, just enjoying the spiral now.
Gruff shoot me a PM if you want any leverage to help you with your cash. I learned a couple things you could benefit from.
I'll give quite a bit of slack to someone on the bottle. There's years when I was young I still don't remember. But if you're trying to come clean, you're not doing a very good job of it.
And if this really is some amusing little game the 2 of you are playing, you both need a swift kick in the balls. There's good harmless fun and then there's really [bleep] with people.
I'll give quite a bit of slack to someone on the bottle. There's years when I was young I still don't remember. But if you're trying to come clean, you're not doing a very good job of it.
And if this really is some amusing little game the 2 of you are playing, you both need a swift kick in the balls. There's good harmless fun and then there's really [bleep] with people.
Ok Mr. Ballkicker/Internet-ethics judge.
Travis
Perhaps that's true.
But I'm not the one who scammed someone out of $1,500 with a BS story and fake pictures.
And like others here, I sorta want to know who I'm holding company with.
How about that .222magnum Sako you were gonna get for me for Shrapnel. I havent seen it yet either but you got my 500 dollars. Come on FlaveDeFlave I want my Socko
For the long term health of this once great forum I felt it was in the best interest of all concerned to notify Mr. Bin of this thread. >flame suit on<
Nothing really... They overplayed it way too early and then piled it on too heavy late in the game. Pretty anticlimactic at this point. Nice try though...
For the long term health of this once great forum I felt it was in the best interest of all concerned to notify Mr. Bin of this thread. >flame suit on<
He answered within the first day you clueless butt-fugk.
Well good for you 2. Made a bunch of us feel stupid.
Congratulations.
You and Dave win stupid [bleep] of the year award.
I've got to say that a fortunate side effect of that BS thread, is that showed how many really good guys are on here. I was impressed by how many people were willing to unselfishly put it all aside and support a guy who said he had a problem. My hat's off to you gentlemen.
Ok. I know it's still April 1st but I'm going to clear the air here:
I honestly thought this would be one week's worth of "BS". It wasn't.
If you aired some schit on the open forum I can only assume you're fine with that regardless of this thread.
If you PM'd me? I didn't open your PM. I'm going to delete it without opening it. Look at it now. It will show "unread." My reason for doing this is so that if you tried to open up about your alcoholic dad or brother or WTF, I will never know about it.
If it was about something else, simply resend it. Obviously if I was in the middle of a classifieds deal I didn't delete your PM. Business is business.
If you feel you "lost face" in this process, simply tell people you were in on it.
For the long term health of this once great forum I felt it was in the best interest of all concerned to notify Mr. Bin of this thread. >flame suit on<
He answered within the first day you clueless butt-fugk.
Clakr
Good to hear.
"Campfire nice" might just be a catch phrase for some.
But I take to heart a very nostalgic and serious view of the general downward spiral that has transpired here on 24 Hrs over the last few years...
I just changed shirts. I put on one that has great big letters spelling SUCKER.
I must admit, I was pretty sure I had been had when he started posting this afternoon. Nice try but didn't quite ring true. Up until them he had me hooked.
how's your lovely wife? I'm still upset I couldn't get to the wedding. That was last year, right? Time flies when one works for .gov, they keep us really busy.
Sometimes, Montana is SO far away I can't get over to visit friends, even the internet ones (I know, you Montuckians like it that way).
Beat wishes, Take Care, toodle ooh, etc.
Geno
PS, now you're living a different life, and you might be traveling to finish up those "steps", you can always find a meeting almost anywhere I hear. Easy as using your "smart phone" (mine's so smart I don't know how to use all the features)
PS, I would have been there for support at the hearing, but see above. Had I gone, I doubt I'd be pulling a 12 hr shift for Uncle Sam tonight. The American Public would not like the ramparts (so to speak) unmanned.
I've got to say that a fortunate side effect of that BS thread, is that showed how many really good guys are on here. I was impressed by how many people were willing to unselfishly put it all aside and support a guy who said he had a problem. My hat's off to you gentlemen.
You re part of the reason I believed all this. I thought you were pretty straight but I obviously was wrong. Well played. I like a good stunt and you all did a good job.
For the long term health of this once great forum I felt it was in the best interest of all concerned to notify Mr. Bin of this thread. >flame suit on<
He answered within the first day you clueless butt-fugk.
Clakr
That's the Jerry Springer heeb/white-trash goyim way. Nothing new.
For the long term health of this once great forum I felt it was in the best interest of all concerned to notify Mr. Bin of this thread. >flame suit on<
He answered within the first day you clueless butt-fugk.
Clakr
That's the Jerry Springer heeb/white-trash goyim way. Nothing new.
For the long term health of this once great forum I felt it was in the best interest of all concerned to notify Mr. Bin of this thread. >flame suit on<
He answered within the first day you clueless butt-fugk.
Clakr
That's the Jerry Springer heeb/white-trash goyim way. Nothing new.
For the long term health of this once great forum I felt it was in the best interest of all concerned to notify Mr. Bin of this thread. >flame suit on<
That might be the funniest fugging thing on this thread.
Well I'll admit there were a few times I thought maybe,just maybe there was some truth to some parts of this thread. Gotta give credit where its due, it was pretty well played by the main cast. A few hints of shenanigans early on but overall quite convincing.
I'm sure some people are going to be upset at being had, but I'm just glad everyone is okay(sorta), and these guys aren't actually feuding. You can't really be too mad, its Flave after all and we should be wise to his ways by now.
I hope ya kick the shhhitt out of the alcohol that WAS in you life. My wives parents were alcoholics . Her dad said I am going to quit or I will die trying. He quit. He was an alcoholic if there ever was one. My mother inlaw would die if they didn't have it daily. As a result we dont have alcohol in our house execpt vodka . We use it to make vanilla extract and have a case of beer in our house for beer batter dread . As a result I have a 19 yr old son that never tried alcohol. Alcohol sucks. I hope you kick this for you , your wife and kids.
I hope ya kick the shhhitt out of the alcohol that WAS in you life. My wives parents were alcoholics . Her dad said I am going to quit or I will die trying. He quit. He was an alcoholic if there ever was one. My mother inlaw would die if they didn't have it daily. As a result we dont have alcohol in our house execpt vodka . We use it to make vanilla extract and have a case of beer in our house for beer batter dread . As a result I have a 19 yr old son that never tried alcohol. Alcohol sucks. I hope you kick this for you , your wife and kids.
I hope ya kick the shhhitt out of the alcohol that WAS in you life. My wives parents were alcoholics . Her dad said I am going to quit or I will die trying. He quit. He was an alcoholic if there ever was one. My mother inlaw would die if they didn't have it daily. As a result we dont have alcohol in our house execpt vodka . We use it to make vanilla extract and have a case of beer in our house for beer batter dread . As a result I have a 19 yr old son that never tried alcohol. Alcohol sucks. I hope you kick this for you , your wife and kids.
So predictable it's boring. Come on Clark, you need to up your game.
How bout jail time? Assault with a deadly weapon with some supporting media releases, house fire, wife murdered, children kidnapped, paralyzed from the neck down, severed appendage, burned head, grossly disfigured by an industrial accident, parents taken hostage by the Mexican drug cartels, airplane crash, tornado, sister abducted by bright lights, something.
Tree stand fell with you in it, hit by a car, struck by lightning, piano fell out a 4th story window on your head, car crushed by a meteor, attacked by grizzly bear while paintballing him drunk, crashing a college party and getting busted for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, gas explosion at home, welding accident, spear through your head, gangrene of the penis, frostbite, spontaneous combustion, poltergeist in the house, rat invasion, insurance fraud, federal arrest warrant, loss of swimming pool privileges, something.
This one deserves mention. I laughed so hard it hurt.
I hope ya kick the shhhitt out of the alcohol that WAS in you life. My wives parents were alcoholics . Her dad said I am going to quit or I will die trying. He quit. He was an alcoholic if there ever was one. My mother inlaw would die if they didn't have it daily. As a result we dont have alcohol in our house execpt vodka . We use it to make vanilla extract and have a case of beer in our house for beer batter dread . As a result I have a 19 yr old son that never tried alcohol. Alcohol sucks. I hope you kick this for you , your wife and kids.
Your best defense was that you a pitiful drunk.. that way things could be explained and pity could be had. But alas, you're just a run of the mill, dime a dozen idiot.
For the long term health of this once great forum I felt it was in the best interest of all concerned to notify Mr. Bin of this thread. >flame suit on<
He answered within the first day you clueless butt-fugk.
Clakr
That's the Jerry Springer heeb/white-trash goyim way. Nothing new.
Take_a_knee, BigSqueeze is that you?
Couldn't be. One's a poser and the other is dead.
Let the committee note you answered in the affirmative.
How about that .222magnum Sako you were gonna get for me for Shrapnel. I havent seen it yet either but you got my 500 dollars. Come on FlaveDeFlave I want my Socko
I want my Sako this may be a joke to you but not to me..
So predictable it's boring. Come on Clark, you need to up your game.
How bout jail time? Assault with a deadly weapon with some supporting media releases, house fire, wife murdered, children kidnapped, paralyzed from the neck down, severed appendage, burned head, grossly disfigured by an industrial accident, parents taken hostage by the Mexican drug cartels, airplane crash, tornado, sister abducted by bright lights, something.
Tree stand fell with you in it, hit by a car, struck by lightning, piano fell out a 4th story window on your head, car crushed by a meteor, attacked by grizzly bear while paintballing him drunk, crashing a college party and getting busted for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, gas explosion at home, welding accident, spear through your head, gangrene of the penis, frostbite, spontaneous combustion, poltergeist in the house, rat invasion, insurance fraud, federal arrest warrant, loss of swimming pool privileges, something.
This one deserves mention. I laughed so hard it hurt.
I wouldn't use any of these, we'll be watching for them.
Now where is mojo, we need to talk about that review. I'm not happy about that.
Speaking of "lighten the Fug up", I can't think of a better reason for reinstating waterboarding. In fact, if the prez had any spine I'm sure he be on that right now....sending you boys, both of you and your evil accomplices, with John Kerry on a swift-boat to Guana Tawnymo.
Because of delays in responses, I'll assume in being even more fair, grown, intelligent men here, who I greatly respect,and who have raised families and helped loved ones who have endured this heart breaking dynamic sometime or many times in their lives somehow think there is something redeeming about this thread? Really?
Please tell me you just got caught up in the bullschit of some stupid-assed fun without thinking it through.
Travis,or whoever you are: I guess you were trying to F with me too or you began to realize you might have over-stepped your bounds for a day...or a month, whatever is the truth now. Anyways, here's the response that was awaiting what you've been ignoring, ======
Really, man?
Some folks might really need the help and hope they can possibly find inside the vast amount of trusted BTDT experiences inside our membership. Now, they might be afraid to ask for fear of being ridiculed.
A month long April Fool's joke about despair? You must think everyone you speak to doesn't have any more brains than the several handfuls who believe this is funny rather than pathetic.
Tricking trusting and compassionate folks is easy and takes no superior skill set, at all. Kids do it to their parents all the time. All you'd need to pull it off are trusting and compassionate people who believe you're a person who is hurting, in need of help and is deserving of that help.
Which of the two would you want teaching your kids?
You're a good man and I enjoy your contributions; always have.You're deservedly respected.You also might have made someone who was inspired by your initial thread pick up that drink again.
Do they GFY or do you?
F***k the politics and all our other battles. We know we'll sort that out because we have to and we have no choice, as pawns in the game.
This is on us, though. It's not funny and it's not who we are and you know it. Instead of getting along, let's get it right.
The premise of this thread is wrong. Pathetically wrong. Let's own it and move on.
Because of delays in responses, I'll assume in being even more fair, grown, intelligent men here, who I greatly respect,and who have raised families and helped loved ones who have endured this heart breaking dynamic sometime or many times in their lives somehow think there is something redeeming about this thread? Really?
Please tell me you just got caught up in the bullschit of some stupid-assed fun without thinking it through.
Travis,or whoever you are: I guess you were trying to F with me too or you began to realize you might have over-stepped your bounds for a day...or a month, whatever is the truth now. Anyways, here's the response that was awaiting what you've been ignoring, ======
Really, man?
Some folks might really need the help and hope they can possibly find inside the vast amount of trusted BTDT experiences inside our membership. Now, they might be afraid to ask for fear of being ridiculed.
A month long April Fool's joke about despair? You must think everyone you speak to doesn't have any more brains than the several handfuls who believe this is funny rather than pathetic.
Tricking trusting and compassionate folks is easy and takes no superior skill set, at all. Kids do it to their parents all the time. All you'd need to pull it off are trusting and compassionate people who believe you're a person who is hurting, in need of help and is deserving of that help.
Which of the two would you want teaching your kids?
You're a good man and I enjoy your contributions; always have.You're deservedly respected.You also might have made someone who was inspired by your initial thread pick up that drink again.
Do they GFY or do you?
F***k the politics and all our other battles. We know we'll sort that out because we have to and we have no choice, as pawns in the game.
This is on us, though. It's not funny and it's not who we are and you know it. Instead of getting along, let's get it right.
The premise of this thread is wrong. Pathetically wrong. Let's own it and move on.
Shame on us, otherwise.
That's a long way of saying the joke was poor and stupid.
Now where is mojo, we need to talk about that review. I'm not happy about that.
Speaking of "lighten the Fug up", I can't think of a better reason for reinstating waterboarding. In fact, if the prez had any spine I'm sure he be on that right now....sending you boys, both of you and your evil accomplices, with John Kerry on a swift-boat to Guana Tawnymo.
Because of delays in responses, I'll assume in being even more fair, grown, intelligent men here, who I greatly respect,and who have raised families and helped loved ones who have endured this heart breaking dynamic sometime or many times in their lives somehow think there is something redeeming about this thread? Really?
Please tell me you just got caught up in the bullschit of some stupid-assed fun without thinking it through.
Travis,or whoever you are: I guess you were trying to F with me too or you began to realize you might have over-stepped your bounds for a day...or a month, whatever is the truth now. Anyways, here's the response that was awaiting what you've been ignoring, ======
Really, man?
Some folks might really need the help and hope they can possibly find inside the vast amount of trusted BTDT experiences inside our membership. Now, they might be afraid to ask for fear of being ridiculed.
A month long April Fool's joke about despair? You must think everyone you speak to doesn't have any more brains than the several handfuls who believe this is funny rather than pathetic.
Tricking trusting and compassionate folks is easy and takes no superior skill set, at all. Kids do it to their parents all the time. All you'd need to pull it off are trusting and compassionate people who believe you're a person who is hurting, in need of help and is deserving of that help.
Which of the two would you want teaching your kids?
You're a good man and I enjoy your contributions; always have.You're deservedly respected.You also might have made someone who was inspired by your initial thread pick up that drink again.
Do they GFY or do you?
F***k the politics and all our other battles. We know we'll sort that out because we have to and we have no choice, as pawns in the game.
This is on us, though. It's not funny and it's not who we are and you know it. Instead of getting along, let's get it right.
The premise of this thread is wrong. Pathetically wrong. Let's own it and move on.
Shame on us, otherwise.
For awhile I had been curious about meeting you. Thought you might be a good person but you had that DC lawyer thing hanging over your shoulder that gave me pause.
Now I know you're a man of character. I'd be proud to host you next time you venture over to Virginia.
Because of delays in responses, I'll assume in being even more fair, grown, intelligent men here, who I greatly respect,and who have raised families and helped loved ones who have endured this heart breaking dynamic sometime or many times in their lives somehow think there is something redeeming about this thread? Really?
Please tell me you just got caught up in the bullschit of some stupid-assed fun without thinking it through.
Travis,or whoever you are: I guess you were trying to F with me too or you began to realize you might have over-stepped your bounds for a day...or a month, whatever is the truth now. Anyways, here's the response that was awaiting what you've been ignoring, ======
Really, man?
Some folks might really need the help and hope they can possibly find inside the vast amount of trusted BTDT experiences inside our membership. Now, they might be afraid to ask for fear of being ridiculed.
A month long April Fool's joke about despair? You must think everyone you speak to doesn't have any more brains than the several handfuls who believe this is funny rather than pathetic.
Tricking trusting and compassionate folks is easy and takes no superior skill set, at all. Kids do it to their parents all the time. All you'd need to pull it off are trusting and compassionate people who believe you're a person who is hurting, in need of help and is deserving of that help.
Which of the two would you want teaching your kids?
You're a good man and I enjoy your contributions; always have.You're deservedly respected.You also might have made someone who was inspired by your initial thread pick up that drink again.
Do they GFY or do you?
F***k the politics and all our other battles. We know we'll sort that out because we have to and we have no choice, as pawns in the game.
This is on us, though. It's not funny and it's not who we are and you know it. Instead of getting along, let's get it right.
The premise of this thread is wrong. Pathetically wrong. Let's own it and move on.
Was this all an intended April Fool's Day joke from the start of the 1st post in March?
This fiasco was conceived over a year ago when people were still confused about what the April Fools joke was going to be, that never even happened. The peices were being put in place months ago and few ever noticed.
Enter Einstein, better known as Fireball the skeptic. Although he wasn't Travis's only target, he was the main target. He played the total skeptic, hoping Travis really was in trouble, knowing that if he was, his predictions would be forgotten with the thread. BUT, if it was the joke some were fooled by, Fireball could ride the crest of posting all along that he knew it was a gag.
Well, if hope was knowledge, you'd be a genius.
Meanwhile, back at the Campfire, many were concerned enough to contact me to find out how Travis was really doing. Now it is exposed and everyone knows less than they did a week ago, something few people can accomplish better than Travis.
At least there was a shift in attention from how stupid Trump is and how worthless Cruz is, so people could watch the problems develop in someone else's life and get their mind of of the unimportant things in their own lives.
It may not have been iconic, but there is no doubt it was UBER and that doesn't happen often enough on the Campfire.
Travis, don't forget to bring pickled eggs and ham to the invitational...
This dysfunctional thread couldn't have came along at a better time. People were dropping the 'fire like flies because they were so sick of the politics and the ranting. There was barely one thread that could squeak by without someone calling out someone else and the whole thing turning into a chit show.
As someone (Kingston?) earlier stated, we found out one thing with this thread and that is that we will stick together for our guys (paraphrasing that)
Point being, it took attention away from the crap for a bit and brought out the best (and the worst) in some people.
Mojo's thread is hilarious and only rates this thread at 2.5 stars or something like that.
I rate it a solid 3 on getting peoples minds off of the crap we can't control.
Because of delays in responses, I'll assume in being even more fair, grown, intelligent men here, who I greatly respect,and who have raised families and helped loved ones who have endured this heart breaking dynamic sometime or many times in their lives somehow think there is something redeeming about this thread? Really?
Please tell me you just got caught up in the bullschit of some stupid-assed fun without thinking it through.
Travis,or whoever you are: I guess you were trying to F with me too or you began to realize you might have over-stepped your bounds for a day...or a month, whatever is the truth now. Anyways, here's the response that was awaiting what you've been ignoring, ======
Really, man?
Some folks might really need the help and hope they can possibly find inside the vast amount of trusted BTDT experiences inside our membership. Now, they might be afraid to ask for fear of being ridiculed.
A month long April Fool's joke about despair? You must think everyone you speak to doesn't have any more brains than the several handfuls who believe this is funny rather than pathetic.
Tricking trusting and compassionate folks is easy and takes no superior skill set, at all. Kids do it to their parents all the time. All you'd need to pull it off are trusting and compassionate people who believe you're a person who is hurting, in need of help and is deserving of that help.
Which of the two would you want teaching your kids?
You're a good man and I enjoy your contributions; always have.You're deservedly respected.You also might have made someone who was inspired by your initial thread pick up that drink again.
Do they GFY or do you?
F***k the politics and all our other battles. We know we'll sort that out because we have to and we have no choice, as pawns in the game.
This is on us, though. It's not funny and it's not who we are and you know it. Instead of getting along, let's get it right.
The premise of this thread is wrong. Pathetically wrong. Let's own it and move on.
Shame on us, otherwise.
You saved me a bunch of typing, Bob. Probably one of the most classless, ill conceived and humorless threads I've seen here.
Can someone please tell Mike Weiner that I've had him on ignore for months now so he can quit trying to offer me advise on my "Gullibility".... Thanks for the heads up on that one Travis.... It was nice to catch up with via texts all week, You were right for sure, classic thread.
Glad I got to sit in on this from the stage to backstage....
Conceiving this gem for over a year,huh? High UBER fives for you both, I guess. You nailed who, again?
Walk away from this pathetic BS or own it.
I think they did own it.
By your standard, do we have wring our hands over the prospect of an obsessive tosser visiting the 223AI thread? Or a fat arse in the Cooking/food subforum?
I'm gonna just leave this here, if only because this whole thing is phugged up and it seemed liked a good place to leave it. The thread has gone to schit anyways. Carry on, discuss, go for a ride. Whatever.
I'm gonna just leave this here, if only because this whole thing is phugged up and it seemed liked a good place to leave it. The thread has gone to schit anyways. Carry on, discuss, go for a ride. Whatever.
I'm gonna just leave this here, if only because this whole thing is phugged up and it seemed liked a good place to leave it. The thread has gone to schit anyways. Carry on, discuss, go for a ride. Whatever.
Holy meat curtains!!!!!
Ptarmigan- this image really deserves its own thread.
I'm gonna just leave this here, if only because this whole thing is phugged up and it seemed liked a good place to leave it. The thread has gone to schit anyways. Carry on, discuss, go for a ride. Whatever.
Because of delays in responses, I'll assume in being even more fair, grown, intelligent men here, who I greatly respect,and who have raised families and helped loved ones who have endured this heart breaking dynamic sometime or many times in their lives somehow think there is something redeeming about this thread? Really?
Please tell me you just got caught up in the bullschit of some stupid-assed fun without thinking it through.
Travis,or whoever you are: I guess you were trying to F with me too or you began to realize you might have over-stepped your bounds for a day...or a month, whatever is the truth now. Anyways, here's the response that was awaiting what you've been ignoring, ======
Really, man?
Some folks might really need the help and hope they can possibly find inside the vast amount of trusted BTDT experiences inside our membership. Now, they might be afraid to ask for fear of being ridiculed.
A month long April Fool's joke about despair? You must think everyone you speak to doesn't have any more brains than the several handfuls who believe this is funny rather than pathetic.
Tricking trusting and compassionate folks is easy and takes no superior skill set, at all. Kids do it to their parents all the time. All you'd need to pull it off are trusting and compassionate people who believe you're a person who is hurting, in need of help and is deserving of that help.
Which of the two would you want teaching your kids?
You're a good man and I enjoy your contributions; always have.You're deservedly respected.You also might have made someone who was inspired by your initial thread pick up that drink again.
Do they GFY or do you?
F***k the politics and all our other battles. We know we'll sort that out because we have to and we have no choice, as pawns in the game.
This is on us, though. It's not funny and it's not who we are and you know it. Instead of getting along, let's get it right.
The premise of this thread is wrong. Pathetically wrong. Let's own it and move on.
Your best defense was that you a pitiful drunk.. that way things could be explained and pity could be had. But alas, you're just a run of the mill, dime a dozen idiot.
Your best defense is you ordered your wife.
Although I will add, that you do legitimately work for a living and can kill bears like a mofo.
Sorry that an April Fools thread that did not necessitate your presence drew too much traffic.
Because of delays in responses, I'll assume in being even more fair, grown, intelligent men here, who I greatly respect,and who have raised families and helped loved ones who have endured this heart breaking dynamic sometime or many times in their lives somehow think there is something redeeming about this thread? Really?
Please tell me you just got caught up in the bullschit of some stupid-assed fun without thinking it through.
Travis,or whoever you are: I guess you were trying to F with me too or you began to realize you might have over-stepped your bounds for a day...or a month, whatever is the truth now. Anyways, here's the response that was awaiting what you've been ignoring, ======
Really, man?
Some folks might really need the help and hope they can possibly find inside the vast amount of trusted BTDT experiences inside our membership. Now, they might be afraid to ask for fear of being ridiculed.
A month long April Fool's joke about despair? You must think everyone you speak to doesn't have any more brains than the several handfuls who believe this is funny rather than pathetic.
Tricking trusting and compassionate folks is easy and takes no superior skill set, at all. Kids do it to their parents all the time. All you'd need to pull it off are trusting and compassionate people who believe you're a person who is hurting, in need of help and is deserving of that help.
Which of the two would you want teaching your kids?
You're a good man and I enjoy your contributions; always have.You're deservedly respected.You also might have made someone who was inspired by your initial thread pick up that drink again.
Do they GFY or do you?
F***k the politics and all our other battles. We know we'll sort that out because we have to and we have no choice, as pawns in the game.
This is on us, though. It's not funny and it's not who we are and you know it. Instead of getting along, let's get it right.
The premise of this thread is wrong. Pathetically wrong. Let's own it and move on.
I'm gonna just leave this here, if only because this whole thing is phugged up and it seemed liked a good place to leave it. The thread has gone to schit anyways. Carry on, discuss, go for a ride. Whatever.
Is that like a little pop up camper ?
Jeez, I don't know that the Parks Service is going to like that .
Seems like I have always enjoyed April Fool jokes and pranks – making them and being the brunt as well – and figure that won't change. Sure hope not. Usually these are enjoyed, even congratulated, and soon forgotten. The one here leaves a peculiar odor.
Some good reminders within the experience:
there are many good-hearted folks around the Campfire who will rise and try to help others seen to be in need – even others whose usual behaviors are distasteful and not trustworthy much of the time;
those who are played for the fool and are yet graceful upon being the brunt of a poor prank usually demonstrate much more class than the snickering quasi-elite who run the scam;
all among us can encounter deceitful people almost every day and under almost any circumstances, and we can do well to measure ourselves by how we continue to deal with that reality;
if we use the internet for interaction with others, we create an indelible record while sometimes communicating with and exposing ourselves to types of people with whom we would not likely associate in person;
it seems fruitless to call people names or disparage them personally in this venue – no personal accountability is required – and often not assumed - on either end;
in all areas of life, humans form cliques and “in groups” in efforts to set themselves above and beyond others, and often try to apply some perceived power or status they presume to have gained in the process – it has been observed that doing so helps them fill some void in their lives.
This probably was a harmless April Fool prank – maybe useless too unless one was reminded of something – and even if that something has a peculiar odor.
Seems like I have always enjoyed April Fool jokes and pranks – making them and being the brunt as well – and figure that won't change. Sure hope not. Usually these are enjoyed, even congratulated, and soon forgotten. The one here leaves a peculiar odor.
Some good reminders within the experience:
there are many good-hearted folks around the Campfire who will rise and try to help others seen to be in need – even others whose usual behaviors are distasteful and not trustworthy much of the time;
those who are played for the fool and are yet graceful upon being the brunt of a poor prank usually demonstrate much more class than the snickering quasi-elite who run the scam;
all among us can encounter deceitful people almost every day and under almost any circumstances, and we can do well to measure ourselves by how we continue to deal with that reality;
if we use the internet for interaction with others, we create an indelible record while sometimes communicating with and exposing ourselves to types of people with whom we would not likely associate in person;
it seems fruitless to call people names or disparage them personally in this venue – no personal accountability is required – and often not assumed - on either end;
in all areas of life, humans form cliques and “in groups” in efforts to set themselves above and beyond others, and often try to apply some perceived power or status they presume to have gained in the process – it has been observed that doing so helps them fill some void in their lives.
This probably was a harmless April Fool prank – maybe useless too unless one was reminded of something – and even if that something has a peculiar odor.
Seems like I have always enjoyed April Fool jokes and pranks – making them and being the brunt as well – and figure that won't change. Sure hope not. Usually these are enjoyed, even congratulated, and soon forgotten. The one here leaves a peculiar odor.
Some good reminders within the experience:
there are many good-hearted folks around the Campfire who will rise and try to help others seen to be in need – even others whose usual behaviors are distasteful and not trustworthy much of the time;
Perhaps the saddest part is the fact that it was all made quite believable because everyone - including the chief culprit- knew that there was 'this problem', a problem that is quite widely propagated in society, and that so many people knew that it is probably an overdue issue....
As I started out many pages back, "it's all fun and games until it ain't".
Now where is mojo, we need to talk about that review. I'm not happy about that.
Speaking of "lighten the Fug up", I can't think of a better reason for reinstating waterboarding. In fact, if the prez had any spine I'm sure he be on that right now....sending you boys, both of you and your evil accomplices, with John Kerry on a swift-boat to Guana Tawnymo.
I was all in until you said john f--cking kerry.
Punishment is not negotiable. Except in this case your spineless President has your back. And note the fact that I have heart....I left out Hanoi Jane.
'Member them cute little sayings grandma used to say? One's like "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"? Well, there's a reason they think our generation is dumber than theirs...
Never been fooled by Travis's sheit, but been on the receiving end of his runnin' his mouth, playin the cute man. There's a line where cute and funny goes, where it ain't.
When I had problems with my marriage, he was right there to kick me when I was down. I don't forget sheit like that. Same with Steelhead. Steelhead promised "He's done", but time tells that tale, not one word and done.
And as far as forgiveness goes, I give it easily to people that I believe are sincere about wanting it. Steelhead has shown a lot of restraint, and has earned my respect for it. I don't think Scott has changed one thing about how he feels towards me, but made a decision to change the way he acts anyway. I can really respect a man for that. Travis isn't there. I was taught a man earns respect, and he hasn't.
Yep, he's a top rated turd and a loud mouth drunk. He will fail at life and lose everything. LMAO.
Well isn't this heart warming? A showering of support for sir drinks a lot.
I said I was done with the campfire and I should just stick to that plan. But this BS step 9 stuff, I guess I just can't leave it alone.
What kind of a step 9 is this? Selective step 9? Step 9 for hurt internet feelings?
What about actual damage, actual losses suffered by others?
Am I speaking too soon? Is the "check in the mail"?
I'll explain what I'm talking about, since I didn't see my name on the apology list.
Last fall Travis told me about a sweet old ford pickup truck he knew about in Havre. He sent me pictures. I fell in love with the old truck (As he figured I would) and he suggested that he could inquire about it for me. I thought that would be great. He kept me from dealing with the "owner" by explaining that it was an elderly man that had no phone and really didn't like talking to people very much. Travis was going to take care of the deal for me. I told Travis I would come out in the spring of 16 with a trailer and cash. But half way through Dec he said we better get it purchased because the owner had another guy wanting to buy it from him and it wasn't going to last til spring.
So, right before Christmas when I needed to be buying Christmas gifts etc, I send Travis $1500 Which I did gladly because it was a smoking hot deal for a 65 Ranger model with the factory bucket seats, original condition, just a dream come true for a restoration guy like myself.
Here's the truck.
Nice huh? Yeah I loved it, instantly.
Here's the problem, it's total BS.
Time is passing, soon it's new years and I'm anxious for my new truck, there's new excuse after new excuse. He's busy at work, can't get to the DMV to get the "title straightened out". He said the truck was in the old man's brother's name and they had to bring in death certificate to transfer title. They were going to get it in Travis's name for the sake of speed, then I could just show like I bought it from Travis. Pretty soon it's Feb, then mid Feb, then Travis tells me the old man died.
Now this could take a while to fix the title issues. At this point what am I going to do? I feel bad the old man died, I'm just going to be respectful and how ever long it takes it takes.
I'm still excited about the truck and in the beginning of March I was emailing a friend, I had Travis's photos in an email on my work computer. I went to right click and copy over the image file but I'm clumsy with laptop finger pad. I accidentally hit "search google for" and a google window popped up with search results for the image file name.
Here's what my accidental google search turned up.
That is a link that leads to page 3 of a thread on another forum. The thread is about 65-66 ford ranger model trucks. The photos that Travis sent me were swiped off the internet from this thread. He played like he took these photos himself, he even gave me some chit line about "Better not pop the hood on a strangers truck, I could get shot! Lol!" They were not his photos, he never saw this truck, there was no old man and title mix up and no death. It was all BS.
He's got my $1500 and I've got nothing. No written agreement, no receipt, no nothing. Just an empty hole in my account where $1500 used to be.
I txt him as soon as I figured it out, no reply. I have tried calling, no answer, PM's? No reply.
Yeah, I've been pretty cranky about it. I was having fun here back when I was still on the hook with Dflave, back when I thought he was helping me get this sweet and totally fake truck.
I was Long Duck Dong for a bit there, laughing my butt off and having fun. Well, about the same time Rick killed long duck, this truck deal went all to hell and I've got to explain to my wife that my fake internet friend sold me a fake internet truck. I said F-it, done with internet friends, done with the campfire, it just a pile of political fights anyways, who needs that crap?
It's been a $hitty month.
You all go on ahead with your prayers and support for your hero that says he's so sorry and so sober.
Good luck with your sober savior. I'd laugh at the thought of it if I wasn't so pissed.
What a scum bag! He's another Safariman...Travis got owned...no give Dave his money back you thief.
Well isn't this heart warming? A showering of support for sir drinks a lot.
I said I was done with the campfire and I should just stick to that plan. But this BS step 9 stuff, I guess I just can't leave it alone.
What kind of a step 9 is this? Selective step 9? Step 9 for hurt internet feelings?
What about actual damage, actual losses suffered by others?
Am I speaking too soon? Is the "check in the mail"?
I'll explain what I'm talking about, since I didn't see my name on the apology list.
Last fall Travis told me about a sweet old ford pickup truck he knew about in Havre. He sent me pictures. I fell in love with the old truck (As he figured I would) and he suggested that he could inquire about it for me. I thought that would be great. He kept me from dealing with the "owner" by explaining that it was an elderly man that had no phone and really didn't like talking to people very much. Travis was going to take care of the deal for me. I told Travis I would come out in the spring of 16 with a trailer and cash. But half way through Dec he said we better get it purchased because the owner had another guy wanting to buy it from him and it wasn't going to last til spring.
So, right before Christmas when I needed to be buying Christmas gifts etc, I send Travis $1500 Which I did gladly because it was a smoking hot deal for a 65 Ranger model with the factory bucket seats, original condition, just a dream come true for a restoration guy like myself.
Here's the truck.
Nice huh? Yeah I loved it, instantly.
Here's the problem, it's total BS.
Time is passing, soon it's new years and I'm anxious for my new truck, there's new excuse after new excuse. He's busy at work, can't get to the DMV to get the "title straightened out". He said the truck was in the old man's brother's name and they had to bring in death certificate to transfer title. They were going to get it in Travis's name for the sake of speed, then I could just show like I bought it from Travis. Pretty soon it's Feb, then mid Feb, then Travis tells me the old man died.
Now this could take a while to fix the title issues. At this point what am I going to do? I feel bad the old man died, I'm just going to be respectful and how ever long it takes it takes.
I'm still excited about the truck and in the beginning of March I was emailing a friend, I had Travis's photos in an email on my work computer. I went to right click and copy over the image file but I'm clumsy with laptop finger pad. I accidentally hit "search google for" and a google window popped up with search results for the image file name.
Here's what my accidental google search turned up.
That is a link that leads to page 3 of a thread on another forum. The thread is about 65-66 ford ranger model trucks. The photos that Travis sent me were swiped off the internet from this thread. He played like he took these photos himself, he even gave me some chit line about "Better not pop the hood on a strangers truck, I could get shot! Lol!" They were not his photos, he never saw this truck, there was no old man and title mix up and no death. It was all BS.
He's got my $1500 and I've got nothing. No written agreement, no receipt, no nothing. Just an empty hole in my account where $1500 used to be.
I txt him as soon as I figured it out, no reply. I have tried calling, no answer, PM's? No reply.
Yeah, I've been pretty cranky about it. I was having fun here back when I was still on the hook with Dflave, back when I thought he was helping me get this sweet and totally fake truck.
I was Long Duck Dong for a bit there, laughing my butt off and having fun. Well, about the same time Rick killed long duck, this truck deal went all to hell and I've got to explain to my wife that my fake internet friend sold me a fake internet truck. I said F-it, done with internet friends, done with the campfire, it just a pile of political fights anyways, who needs that crap?
It's been a $hitty month.
You all go on ahead with your prayers and support for your hero that says he's so sorry and so sober.
Good luck with your sober savior. I'd laugh at the thought of it if I wasn't so pissed.
What a scum bag! He's another Safariman...Travis got owned...no give Dave his money back you thief.
Alright Travis, here's what's going to happen. I'm on my way to see you, when I get there we will figure out a way for you to make things square with me.
I have 3 options in mind.
You can put $1500 cash in my hand and I'll get back in my truck and go home.
You can hand me $1500 worth of firearms (no junk!). It's got to be something I can sell back home for a total of $1500 and I'll get back in my truck and go home.
Or, since you are so good at truck deals, you can buy my truck and I'll take Amtrak back home. I already checked and I can hop a train from Havre to Grand Forks ND for 94 bucks. That puts me real close to home.
I'll sell you this truck for what I have in it plus $1500.
It's a 69 F100 100% original survivor (with exception of the rims, they are not original), obviously it runs and drives very good or I wouldn't be taking off later today on a 720 mile trip with it. Your price on this actual real truck is $3200. With your sales skills you can likely dump it the same day for $3500, be done with me and buy yourself a couple of cases of O'doul's.
Those are the 3 options, I don't care which one you choose. We will figure it out though and I am coming there because it will be harder for you to procrastinate if I'm right there with my hand out.
So, either rake together $1500 cash, or start looking at your guns and figure out what adds up to $1500 on a fire sale. Or, go to your bank and ask for a vehicle loan for $3200.
Worse case, you fire sale the orange truck for $1600 and you owe your bank $1500 instead of owing me $1500.
Either way, we both currently have a problem that is soon going to be 100% your problem alone.
I want this behind me, frankly I don't care what you want but it's likely you would be better off with this resolved as well.
I'm leaving later today, staying with a friend in Williston area tonight. I am coming, and you aren't going to trick me into turning around with "Hey, I mailed your money." so don't bother txting or calling me with that crap.
Well isn't this heart warming? A showering of support for sir drinks a lot.
I said I was done with the campfire and I should just stick to that plan. But this BS step 9 stuff, I guess I just can't leave it alone.
What kind of a step 9 is this? Selective step 9? Step 9 for hurt internet feelings?
What about actual damage, actual losses suffered by others?
Am I speaking too soon? Is the "check in the mail"?
I'll explain what I'm talking about, since I didn't see my name on the apology list.
Last fall Travis told me about a sweet old ford pickup truck he knew about in Havre. He sent me pictures. I fell in love with the old truck (As he figured I would) and he suggested that he could inquire about it for me. I thought that would be great. He kept me from dealing with the "owner" by explaining that it was an elderly man that had no phone and really didn't like talking to people very much. Travis was going to take care of the deal for me. I told Travis I would come out in the spring of 16 with a trailer and cash. But half way through Dec he said we better get it purchased because the owner had another guy wanting to buy it from him and it wasn't going to last til spring.
So, right before Christmas when I needed to be buying Christmas gifts etc, I send Travis $1500 Which I did gladly because it was a smoking hot deal for a 65 Ranger model with the factory bucket seats, original condition, just a dream come true for a restoration guy like myself.
Here's the truck.
Nice huh? Yeah I loved it, instantly.
Here's the problem, it's total BS.
Time is passing, soon it's new years and I'm anxious for my new truck, there's new excuse after new excuse. He's busy at work, can't get to the DMV to get the "title straightened out". He said the truck was in the old man's brother's name and they had to bring in death certificate to transfer title. They were going to get it in Travis's name for the sake of speed, then I could just show like I bought it from Travis. Pretty soon it's Feb, then mid Feb, then Travis tells me the old man died.
Now this could take a while to fix the title issues. At this point what am I going to do? I feel bad the old man died, I'm just going to be respectful and how ever long it takes it takes.
I'm still excited about the truck and in the beginning of March I was emailing a friend, I had Travis's photos in an email on my work computer. I went to right click and copy over the image file but I'm clumsy with laptop finger pad. I accidentally hit "search google for" and a google window popped up with search results for the image file name.
Here's what my accidental google search turned up.
That is a link that leads to page 3 of a thread on another forum. The thread is about 65-66 ford ranger model trucks. The photos that Travis sent me were swiped off the internet from this thread. He played like he took these photos himself, he even gave me some chit line about "Better not pop the hood on a strangers truck, I could get shot! Lol!" They were not his photos, he never saw this truck, there was no old man and title mix up and no death. It was all BS.
He's got my $1500 and I've got nothing. No written agreement, no receipt, no nothing. Just an empty hole in my account where $1500 used to be.
I txt him as soon as I figured it out, no reply. I have tried calling, no answer, PM's? No reply.
Yeah, I've been pretty cranky about it. I was having fun here back when I was still on the hook with Dflave, back when I thought he was helping me get this sweet and totally fake truck.
I was Long Duck Dong for a bit there, laughing my butt off and having fun. Well, about the same time Rick killed long duck, this truck deal went all to hell and I've got to explain to my wife that my fake internet friend sold me a fake internet truck. I said F-it, done with internet friends, done with the campfire, it just a pile of political fights anyways, who needs that crap?
It's been a $hitty month.
You all go on ahead with your prayers and support for your hero that says he's so sorry and so sober.
Good luck with your sober savior. I'd laugh at the thought of it if I wasn't so pissed.
What a scum bag! He's another Safariman...Travis got owned...no give Dave his money back you thief.
FYI you should probably read the whole thread...
Well stranger, months go by and now you decide to chime in?
Alright Travis, here's what's going to happen. I'm on my way to see you, when I get there we will figure out a way for you to make things square with me.
I have 3 options in mind.
You can put $1500 cash in my hand and I'll get back in my truck and go home.
You can hand me $1500 worth of firearms (no junk!). It's got to be something I can sell back home for a total of $1500 and I'll get back in my truck and go home.
Or, since you are so good at truck deals, you can buy my truck and I'll take Amtrak back home. I already checked and I can hop a train from Havre to Grand Forks ND for 94 bucks. That puts me real close to home.
I'll sell you this truck for what I have in it plus $1500.
It's a 69 F100 100% original survivor (with exception of the rims, they are not original), obviously it runs and drives very good or I wouldn't be taking off later today on a 720 mile trip with it. Your price on this actual real truck is $3200. With your sales skills you can likely dump it the same day for $3500, be done with me and buy yourself a couple of cases of O'doul's.
Those are the 3 options, I don't care which one you choose. We will figure it out though and I am coming there because it will be harder for you to procrastinate if I'm right there with my hand out.
So, either rake together $1500 cash, or start looking at your guns and figure out what adds up to $1500 on a fire sale. Or, go to your bank and ask for a vehicle loan for $3200.
Worse case, you fire sale the orange truck for $1600 and you owe your bank $1500 instead of owing me $1500.
Either way, we both currently have a problem that is soon going to be 100% your problem alone.
I want this behind me, frankly I don't care what you want but it's likely you would be better off with this resolved as well.
I'm leaving later today, staying with a friend in Williston area tonight. I am coming, and you aren't going to trick me into turning around with "Hey, I mailed your money." so don't bother txting or calling me with that crap.
See you soon, "friend".
Call the local sheriff to escort.
Like I said, you should read the whole thread...but it looks like you are getting closer to the "truth."
Well isn't this heart warming? A showering of support for sir drinks a lot.
I said I was done with the campfire and I should just stick to that plan. But this BS step 9 stuff, I guess I just can't leave it alone.
What kind of a step 9 is this? Selective step 9? Step 9 for hurt internet feelings?
What about actual damage, actual losses suffered by others?
Am I speaking too soon? Is the "check in the mail"?
I'll explain what I'm talking about, since I didn't see my name on the apology list.
Last fall Travis told me about a sweet old ford pickup truck he knew about in Havre. He sent me pictures. I fell in love with the old truck (As he figured I would) and he suggested that he could inquire about it for me. I thought that would be great. He kept me from dealing with the "owner" by explaining that it was an elderly man that had no phone and really didn't like talking to people very much. Travis was going to take care of the deal for me. I told Travis I would come out in the spring of 16 with a trailer and cash. But half way through Dec he said we better get it purchased because the owner had another guy wanting to buy it from him and it wasn't going to last til spring.
So, right before Christmas when I needed to be buying Christmas gifts etc, I send Travis $1500 Which I did gladly because it was a smoking hot deal for a 65 Ranger model with the factory bucket seats, original condition, just a dream come true for a restoration guy like myself.
Here's the truck.
Nice huh? Yeah I loved it, instantly.
Here's the problem, it's total BS.
Time is passing, soon it's new years and I'm anxious for my new truck, there's new excuse after new excuse. He's busy at work, can't get to the DMV to get the "title straightened out". He said the truck was in the old man's brother's name and they had to bring in death certificate to transfer title. They were going to get it in Travis's name for the sake of speed, then I could just show like I bought it from Travis. Pretty soon it's Feb, then mid Feb, then Travis tells me the old man died.
Now this could take a while to fix the title issues. At this point what am I going to do? I feel bad the old man died, I'm just going to be respectful and how ever long it takes it takes.
I'm still excited about the truck and in the beginning of March I was emailing a friend, I had Travis's photos in an email on my work computer. I went to right click and copy over the image file but I'm clumsy with laptop finger pad. I accidentally hit "search google for" and a google window popped up with search results for the image file name.
Here's what my accidental google search turned up.
That is a link that leads to page 3 of a thread on another forum. The thread is about 65-66 ford ranger model trucks. The photos that Travis sent me were swiped off the internet from this thread. He played like he took these photos himself, he even gave me some chit line about "Better not pop the hood on a strangers truck, I could get shot! Lol!" They were not his photos, he never saw this truck, there was no old man and title mix up and no death. It was all BS.
He's got my $1500 and I've got nothing. No written agreement, no receipt, no nothing. Just an empty hole in my account where $1500 used to be.
I txt him as soon as I figured it out, no reply. I have tried calling, no answer, PM's? No reply.
Yeah, I've been pretty cranky about it. I was having fun here back when I was still on the hook with Dflave, back when I thought he was helping me get this sweet and totally fake truck.
I was Long Duck Dong for a bit there, laughing my butt off and having fun. Well, about the same time Rick killed long duck, this truck deal went all to hell and I've got to explain to my wife that my fake internet friend sold me a fake internet truck. I said F-it, done with internet friends, done with the campfire, it just a pile of political fights anyways, who needs that crap?
It's been a $hitty month.
You all go on ahead with your prayers and support for your hero that says he's so sorry and so sober.
Good luck with your sober savior. I'd laugh at the thought of it if I wasn't so pissed.
What a scum bag! He's another Safariman...Travis got owned...no give Dave his money back you thief.
FYI you should probably read the whole thread...
Well stranger, months go by and now you decide to chime in?
You do realize "Nothing has changed".
You're up late. I have an excuse, I'm working.
Geno
Yeah, I have been a lurker.
Just can't sleep tonight for whatever reason, so I have been reading. Struck out it seems on elk and 'lope in the AZ draw. Oh well...
Hope all is well with you, Geno, especially being at work and all!
Just heard this one as they closed the bar down and shuffled us outside.
Hit a little too close to home and there was no holding back the tears. Friends thought I was gay for suddenly bursting into tears. That is until I told them why.
Hell they even teared up and they even know Flave.
Whether the truth or an April Fools Day prank gone too far and simply taken too seriously by some, I honestly couldn't care less.
Regarding the video, though, the way profanity flows so openly, easily and loosely by a grown man while knowingly in the immediate presence of the small child is quite telling. Very much so in my opinion.
Can someone please tell Mike Weiner that I've had him on ignore for months now so he can quit trying to offer me advise on my "Gullibility".... Thanks for the heads up on that one Travis.... It was nice to catch up with via texts all week, You were right for sure, classic thread.
Glad I got to sit in on this from the stage to backstage....
(1)'flave is indeed on hard times and universally apologizes to everyone he wronged....which compels his 2 closest internet friends to suddenly chime in concerning 'flaves past misdeeds.....on the internet.....after all this time.
(2)or.....they are accomplis' on a sympathy/support hoax.
What does either scenario say about their true character?
They're either piling on a man when he is down......or contributing to a classless hoax.
Are you and gonzaga good friends? Relatives perhaps.
Originally Posted by okok
Originally Posted by deflave
Dave, You don't need to come out here. I can have your money by close of business. Never thought you'd be such a drama queen over a small misunderstanding. Travis
What a coward....afraid you'll get your ass kicked. what a yellow belly cok sucker.
I hope ya kick the shhhitt out of the alcohol that WAS in you life. My wives parents were alcoholics . Her dad said I am going to quit or I will die trying. He quit. He was an alcoholic if there ever was one. My mother inlaw would die if they didn't have it daily. As a result we dont have alcohol in our house execpt vodka . We use it to make vanilla extract and have a case of beer in our house for beer batter dread . As a result I have a 19 yr old son that never tried alcohol. Alcohol sucks. I hope you kick this for you , your wife and kids.
Thanks bro.
Travis
Jesus...
Please leave the kykes out of this.
I detest anti-semitism.
Clark
He was only half Jewish and the exclamation wasn't for you, ya narcissistic miscreant.
'Member them cute little sayings grandma used to say? One's like "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"? Well, there's a reason they think our generation is dumber than theirs...
Never been fooled by Travis's sheit, but been on the receiving end of his runnin' his mouth, playin the cute man. There's a line where cute and funny goes, where it ain't.
When I had problems with my marriage, he was right there to kick me when I was down. I don't forget sheit like that. Same with Steelhead. Steelhead promised "He's done", but time tells that tale, not one word and done.
And as far as forgiveness goes, I give it easily to people that I believe are sincere about wanting it. Steelhead has shown a lot of restraint, and has earned my respect for it. I don't think Scott has changed one thing about how he feels towards me, but made a decision to change the way he acts anyway. I can really respect a man for that. Travis isn't there. I was taught a man earns respect, and he hasn't.
Yep, he's a top rated turd and a loud mouth drunk. He will fail at life and lose everything. LMAO.
Between Seahags and Leslie, you are one [bleep] up little man.
Shouldn't you be out packaging/mailing cookbooks or something.
Lmao. I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
Shouldn't you be off solving the next internet prank? What with April Fool's Day and all, there must be literally dozens of unsolved pranks out there that you haven't turned your attention to.
[quote=irfubar]Finally the punchline unfolds! I guess I should have been more patient.
Ya gotta admit this is pretty funny stuff watching everyone getting their panties in a bunch and all the hurt feelers etc...
'fubar,
Can you put me on a bear this spring? 'Gruff moved out your way but he can't find one. And even if he does, I don't want to pay him the money I owe.
Travis, The only bears I seem to be able to find would barely make a set of hand warmers, maybe a toilet seat cover?
Although if you find me a vintage Ford truck that was only driven to church on Sundays I am sure I could locate a "booner' cinnamon colored bear for you!
I will hire Big Stick to be our guide,he is an eggspurt dontcha know!
Deflave: Speaking as the child of a late in life recovered "working alcoholic" I can attest to you that your life will be fuller and more rewarding (happier!) once your recovery is completed. It took my father two difficult "tries" to recover from his drinking problem but once he did so, he lived the last 17 years of his life sober, involved with family and friends and very happy. Let me know if there is anything I can do to enable your recovery. Pardon my slow response to your post I have been busy with spring upon us here in SW Montana and had not seen this til now. Best of luck and wishes for you. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Deflave: Speaking as the child of a late in life recovered "working alcoholic" I can attest to you that your life will be fuller and more rewarding (happier!) once your recovery is completed. It took my father two difficult "tries" to recover from his drinking problem but once he did so, he lived the last 17 years of his life sober, involved with family and friends and very happy. Let me know if there is anything I can do to enable your recovery. Pardon my slow response to your post I have been busy with spring upon us here in SW Montana and had not seen this til now. Best of luck and wishes for you. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
It was interesting to watch it. Absolute scream to see you laugh at the responses. Laffed off the rest, or any thoughts of "gotcha" It doesnt really matter.
Finally the punchline unfolds! I guess I should have been more patient.
Ya gotta admit this is pretty funny stuff watching everyone getting their panties in a bunch and all the hurt feelers etc...
'fubar,
Can you put me on a bear this spring? 'Gruff moved out your way but he can't find one. And even if he does, I don't want to pay him the money I owe.
Travis
Travis, Couple conditions on the bear hunt. #1. You will have to hunt blind folded, dont want you returning to my fav spots. #2. You have to buy the beer.
Your place in the pantheon of 24hrCF hoaxers will likely always be below OkCocks.
OkCock's seminal 'Fu_ckin'Leslie' has set an extremely high bar for even the best of us to follow.
Of course, most did not have the deficit upbringing and the unfortunate genetic constellation of attention whoring genes, okcock was gifted with from his mother and brother.
Deflave: Speaking as the child of a late in life recovered "working alcoholic" I can attest to you that your life will be fuller and more rewarding (happier!) once your recovery is completed. It took my father two difficult "tries" to recover from his drinking problem but once he did so, he lived the last 17 years of his life sober, involved with family and friends and very happy. Let me know if there is anything I can do to enable your recovery. Pardon my slow response to your post I have been busy with spring upon us here in SW Montana and had not seen this til now. Best of luck and wishes for you. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Keep sending positive thoughts and prayers his way VG and you need to watch the video clip his wife took....
From the video, you can see Flave has a quite a ways to go in his quest for sobriety... Flave's wife filmed him falling-down drunk on the stairs, laughing like a loon, and cursing in the presence of a minor!!! Sometimes seeing a snippet of what a person really looks like when they are under the devilish spell of alcohol can wake them up.
I'm gonna just leave this here, if only because this whole thing is phugged up and it seemed liked a good place to leave it. The thread has gone to schit anyways. Carry on, discuss, go for a ride. Whatever.
Is that a pillow?
I think it is a bed. After looking at it for a couple minutes, I want a nap.
Deflave: Speaking as the child of a late in life recovered "working alcoholic" I can attest to you that your life will be fuller and more rewarding (happier!) once your recovery is completed. It took my father two difficult "tries" to recover from his drinking problem but once he did so, he lived the last 17 years of his life sober, involved with family and friends and very happy. Let me know if there is anything I can do to enable your recovery. Pardon my slow response to your post I have been busy with spring upon us here in SW Montana and had not seen this til now. Best of luck and wishes for you. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Keep sending positive thoughts and prayers his way VG and you need to watch the video clip his wife took....
From the video, you can see Flave has a quite a ways to go in his quest for sobriety... Flave's wife filmed him falling-down drunk on the stairs, laughing like a loon, and cursing in the presence of a minor!!! Sometimes seeing a snippet of what a person really looks like when they are under the devilish spell of alcohol can wake them up.
I'm gonna just leave this here, if only because this whole thing is phugged up and it seemed liked a good place to leave it. The thread has gone to schit anyways. Carry on, discuss, go for a ride. Whatever.
Is that a pillow?
I think it is a bed. After looking at it for a couple minutes, I want a nap.
A bed ?
Look at the wheels underneath that beaut.
That's a tow behind camper.
Wonder if there's mosquito mesh on the ,....er, "opening".
I'm gonna just leave this here, if only because this whole thing is phugged up and it seemed liked a good place to leave it. The thread has gone to schit anyways. Carry on, discuss, go for a ride. Whatever.
A bed ?
Look at the wheels underneath that beaut.
That's a tow behind camper.
Wonder if there's mosquito mesh on the ,....er, "opening".
GTC
GTC
I could camp in that for the rest of my life, Park that thing next to the water and "fish" from inside, never ever leave the comfyness!
Hope you're putting as much time & energy into AA as you did to being the biggest dikhead on the 'Fire. In addition to counseling for alcohol addiction you should seek help for your affinity for crude language and putting others down. If you're as good a man as your supporters say you are you owe it to yourself and others. This is meant as a suggestion for your recovery and hope you take it that way. Good luck with your recovery, looking forward to your return as a gentleman free of alcohol and uncivil language/behavior. GFY as well as alcohol need to be put behind you.
Travis, I was chock full of angst right up about 7/8 through my 45th year. But I took 3 ibuprofen with my last beer before bed last night and this morning I am NOT angsty. It is incredible, I wish I would have tried this 15 years ago.
Hope you're putting as much time & energy into AA as you did to being the biggest dikhead on the 'Fire. In addition to counseling for alcohol addiction you should seek help for your affinity for crude language and putting others down. If you're as good a man as your supporters say you are you owe it to yourself and others. This is meant as a suggestion for your recovery and hope you take it that way. Good luck with your recovery, looking forward to your return as a gentleman free of alcohol and uncivil language/behavior. GFY as well as alcohol need to be put behind you.
Unfortunately I was on the road on and around April 1 so couldn't keep up with the exciting, uh, climax to this thread. But I am SO glad all the posters could be so civil and caring....
This whole concept of deceit and lies was not my idea at all. I didn't want Travis to do this because I knew how many people would get upset at his deception. When he told me Fireball was going to be a main event, I was immediately on board.
So all the people that are still upset about this hoax, you can blame Fireball...
Unfortunately I was on the road on and around April 1 so couldn't keep up with the exciting, uh, climax to this thread. But I am SO glad all the posters could be so civil and caring....
Unfortunately I was on the road on and around April 1 so couldn't keep up with the exciting, uh, climax to this thread. But I am SO glad all the posters could be so civil and caring....
All some lost is trust by some.
More likely, if there was a loss, the loss was gullibility.
If we could get one of our tech swavey members to look up the Japanese spelling of the word "angsty", just think of how many of our members could get a "tramp stamp" style tattoo, it would be look the ovaltine secret decoder ring, it would become like our very own "secret handshake", only us "step niner's" would know the real meaning.
Then when we meet each other in pubic, each member would inturn grab his own member, with his right hand and make some cool looking gang symbol with our left hand, while yelling niner's rule!
Anybody got an address for this? I'm thinking about getting one to put out by the mail box. The kids can use it to keep out of the weather when waiting for the school bus. Do you think it's hard to clean? The that's my only real hesitation.
Anybody got an address for this? I'm thinking about getting one to put out by the mail box. The kids can use it to keep out of the weather when waiting for the school bus. Do you think it's hard to clean? The that's my only real hesitation.
Rig up a waterbed and a firehose as a douchebag, Silly.
Jeez, I wonder if you can get Masengil by the 55 gallon drum.
If we could get one of our tech swavey members to look up the Japanese spelling of the word "angsty", just think of how many of our members could get a "tramp stamp" style tattoo, it would be look the ovaltine secret decoder ring, it would become like our very own "secret handshake", only us "step niner's" would know the real meaning.
Then when we meet each other in pubic, each member would inturn grab his own member, with his right hand and make some cool looking gang symbol with our left hand, while yelling niner's rule!
Unfortunately I was on the road on and around April 1 so couldn't keep up with the exciting, uh, climax to this thread. But I am SO glad all the posters could be so civil and caring....
All some lost is trust by some.
More likely, if there was a loss, the loss was gullibility.
Which is likely a good thing.
Call it a public service by deFlave and co.
And yet we complain about charity being a lost virtue.
Tell me if I'm wrong here, but Deflave strikes me as the type that would go to a party and leave an upper decker.
Yep, not funny. Maybe next year they can pretend one of their mom's molested them, and next year how one of their dad's killed their brother. Should be good for some laughs..........
Ok. I know it's still April 1st but I'm going to clear the air here:
I honestly thought this would be one week's worth of "BS". It wasn't.
If you aired some schit on the open forum I can only assume you're fine with that regardless of this thread.
If you PM'd me? I didn't open your PM. I'm going to delete it without opening it. Look at it now. It will show "unread." My reason for doing this is so that if you tried to open up about your alcoholic dad or brother or WTF, I will never know about it.
If it was about something else, simply resend it. Obviously if I was in the middle of a classifieds deal I didn't delete your PM. Business is business.
If you feel you "lost face" in this process, simply tell people you were in on it.
"Never chit a chitter."
LMAO.
GFY.
Dave
I still I have not found you objectionable...best of luck with your quest.
Yep, not funny. Maybe next year they can pretend one of their mom's molested them, and next year how one of their dad's killed their brother. Should be good for some laughs..........
I seem to remember SM running that one...or something similar, probably caused by the former.
Yep, not funny. Maybe next year they can pretend one of their mom's molested them, and next year how one of their dad's killed their brother. Should be good for some laughs..........
Yep, not funny. Maybe next year they can pretend one of their mom's molested them, and next year how one of their dad's killed their brother. Should be good for some laughs..........
I seem to remember SM running that one...or something similar, probably caused by the former.
There was a lesson being demonstrated here that many seem to have missed.
Yep, not funny. Maybe next year they can pretend one of their mom's molested them, and next year how one of their dad's killed their brother. Should be good for some laughs..........
Or maybe gerrygoat and Fireball actually leave the house with a real gun and shoot something. But nobody would fall for that...
This whole concept of deceit and lies was not my idea at all. I didn't want Travis to do this because I knew how many people would get upset at his deception. When he told me Fireball was going to be a main event, I was immediately on board.
So all the people that are still upset about this hoax, you can blame Fireball...
Livin' in your head makes me feel dirty.
Sorry to disappoint you pranksters, and to the rest, don't say I didn't warn you.
I guess most would rather be made a fool of than be right and make a stand. What are ya all afraid of?
Yep, not funny. Maybe next year they can pretend one of their mom's molested them, and next year how one of their dad's killed their brother. Should be good for some laughs..........
+1....spot on GG. Desperate for attention, acknowledgment. A lot like, no, exactly like Safariman.
Throw in a bit of Yogi Berra 'one-liner' fetish (minus the actual intelligence and humor that Y.B. brought) and you have this guy. As unfunny as anyone could be yet he has his worshipers here...
Some will surely be up set with this joke, but it also showed us home many good folks we have here . I for one think the Montana Mafia pulled off a great one. I enjoyed the scam, and I am pleased you are all fine!
This whole concept of deceit and lies was not my idea at all. I didn't want Travis to do this because I knew how many people would get upset at his deception. When he told me Fireball was going to be a main event, I was immediately on board.
Some here have appreciated your presence here at the 'fire, and your take on things overall. Teaming up with this guy for this sh*t is inexcusable.
So now we have a bunch of people butt hurt about a BS prank by a known BSer.
If that's the case, y'all might Wanta bump over to the photograph thread SRM started; amazingly non-political and positive.
Also agree that whether this was a hoax or not it showed that even in today's day & age of cynicism there are good people willing to help someone in need. That's pretty awesome if ya ask me.
Yep, not funny. Maybe next year they can pretend one of their mom's molested them, and next year how one of their dad's killed their brother. Should be good for some laughs..........
+1....spot on GG. Desperate for attention, acknowledgment. A lot like, no, exactly like Safariman.
Throw in a bit of Yogi Berra 'one-liner' fetish (minus the actual intelligence and humor that Y.B. brought) and you have this guy. As unfunny as anyone could be yet he has his worshipers here...
Agree with you both. Not funny, poor taste, desperate for attention. Pathetic really.
This whole concept of deceit and lies was not my idea at all. I didn't want Travis to do this because I knew how many people would get upset at his deception. When he told me Fireball was going to be a main event, I was immediately on board.
So all the people that are still upset about this hoax, you can blame Fireball...
+1 on broomd's remarks, can't understand the worship of the guy. People worshipped Jim Jones too, perhaps his followers have drunk the koolaid and are too dumb to die.
Some nerd/yankee/azzhole makes a post about how he has started AA and wants to makes amends for the trouble alcohol has caused.
People on here, being the decent folks that they are, offer encouragement.
Then the nerd/yankee/azzhole posts videos of himself dressed in his nerd/yankee/azzhole outfit laughing uproarously at the responses of the decent people who have offered support.
Bristoe: I think there is something REALlY, REALLY wrong with deflave! In fact I am beginning to feel sorry for him, and for his family (if he still has one?). Sheesh. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
We don't hold any of that fughing your sister stuff against you southern boys, so why not just turn the other cheek on this small character flaw in Clark.
We don't hold any of that fughing your sister stuff against you southern boys, so why not just turn the other cheek on this small character flaw in Clark.
Ain't nuthin to me if you want to kiss his ass. But Chap-Stik is cheap.
We don't hold any of that fughing your sister stuff against you southern boys, so why not just turn the other cheek on this small character flaw in Clark.
Ain't nuthin to me if you want to kiss his ass. But Chap-Stik is cheap.
+1 on broomd's remarks, can't understand the worship of the guy. People worshipped Jim Jones too, perhaps his followers have drunk the koolaid and are too dumb to die.
And you're a nerd/yankee/azzhole who has to figure out how to live up there with your peers who now know that you a nerd/yankee/azzhole from Illinois,...you're not a Montanan.
My advice is to call a realtor.
I don't expect you to take it yet,....but you will.
April Fool's jokes are supposed to be harmless and funny.
This fuggen schitt is over the line.
Flave has quite a following here on the fire with many friends. He has enemies as well. Pretty much like life. I've really enjoyed his humor, but if anyone thinks this is funny, you're pretty much fugged in the head.
Taking advantage of folks with such a serious topic and problem is weird. Some here likened it to "what's next, the "I'm in stage 4 Cancer" thread?" , and I'd agree.
I also can't believe JG and I agree on something. LOL
This whole thing was about as funny as a plane crashing into an orphanage.
I know of more than one member here that has experienced alcoholism first-hand with a close family member in recent years. Perhaps for an encore, we could get an automobile accident hoax, or maybe even for true, knee-slapping hilarity; a bout with cancer.
This whole thing was about as funny as a plane crashing into an orphanage.
I know of more than one member here that has experienced alcoholism first-hand with a close family member in recent years. Perhaps for an encore, we could get an automobile accident hoax, or maybe even for true, knee-slapping hilarity; a bout with cancer.
Well, thankfully all the recovered alcoholics in my life, aren't drama queens.
Pathetic that grown men, with some obvious, seriously F'd up low self esteem issues, and who are raising kids, are laughing at this infected boil of a epic fail thread as though it's something to be proud of. A couple of retards, who made other retards believe they're one funny group of retards, are now enjoying a circle jerk of high fiving retards trying to validate the retardation of the chief retards. Way to strive for mediocrity, players.
It's only effect has been to narrow the list of those worthy of consideration and respect.
Shameful and revealing. Fix it or find yourselves in a less than enviable position of having to bounce back from it.
Pathetic that grown men, with some obvious, seriously F'd up low self esteem issues, and who are raising kids, are laughing at this infected boil of a epic fail thread as though it's something to be proud of. A couple of retards, who made other retards believe they're one funny group of retards, are now enjoying a circle jerk of high fiving retards trying to validate the retardation of the chief retards. Way to strive for mediocrity, players.
It's only effect has been to narrow the list of those worthy of consideration and respect.
Shameful and revealing. Fix it or find yourselves in a less than enviable position of having to bounce back from it.
In the meanwhile, grow the [bleep] up.
I thought it was bad when the TN group showed up.... now this reminds me of some show my nephew thought was funny called Jackazz.....
Jackass made me laugh. They knew they were jackasses acting like jackasses and called themselves such up front.
Trying to make jackasses out of folks intending to be kind- hearted and compassionate isn't a joke, except to the actual jackasses who don't hold a candle to the former.
Expected this out of Deflave. Didn't expect it out of fellas I sort of respected like Northern Dave and shrapnel. Guess they wanted to join the ranks of the dumb kunnt club. It's a mildly amusing club as long as you understand you're a joke.
Agree with you both. Not funny, poor taste, desperate for attention. Pathetic really.
If I don't atone, I fear God will put me in west Texas in lieu of Hades.
LMAO.
Clark
You're the foul mouthed drunk, not me. You'll be a foul mouthed drunk no matter where you live. I see you're teaching your precious child some nice words too. Congrats.
Expected this out of Deflave. Didn't expect it out of fellas I sort of respected like Northern Dave and shrapnel. Guess they wanted to join the ranks of the dumb kunnt club. It's a mildly amusing club as long as you understand you're a joke.
April Fool's jokes are supposed to be harmless and funny.
This fuggen schitt is over the line.
Flave has quite a following here on the fire with many friends. He has enemies as well. Pretty much like life. I've really enjoyed his humor, but if anyone thinks this is funny, you're pretty much fugged in the head.
Taking advantage of folks with such a serious topic and problem is weird. Some here likened it to "what's next, the "I'm in stage 4 Cancer" thread?" , and I'd agree.
I also can't believe JG and I agree on something. LOL
Ha! You're coming around dude, finally! I totally agree with what you said as well.
Deflave never really bothered me. He's always been nothing more than a clown. Never took him seriously nor cared what he had to say. Apparently he's fine with his lot in life being a clown so I let him be. The others who helped him perpetuate some giant hoax to get a bunch of good people worked up for weeks on end for no other reason than to laugh at them is what really disappoints me.
Pathetic that grown men, with some obvious, seriously F'd up low self esteem issues, and who are raising kids, are laughing at this infected boil of a epic fail thread as though it's something to be proud of. A couple of retards, who made other retards believe they're one funny group of retards, are now enjoying a circle jerk of high fiving retards trying to validate the retardation of the chief retards. Way to strive for mediocrity, players. ..
I didn't want Travis to do this because I knew how many people would get upset at his deception. When he told me Fireball was going to be a main event, I was immediately on board.
So all the people that are still upset about this hoax, you can blame Fireball...
Because of the OP here, several members had occasion to post things about their past that had been "unsaid" in the past, and may have been uncomfortable for them to do.
And they did it in the selfless spirit of helping someone they perceived to be in desperate need.
Safariman stole, but he *only* stole money.
The OP here stole from other members' souls.
And that can't be restored.
This whole thread should be deleted, as a tribute to those who bared their past in an attempt to help.
I didn't want Travis to do this because I knew how many people would get upset at his deception. When he told me Fireball was going to be a main event, I was immediately on board.
So all the people that are still upset about this hoax, you can blame Fireball...
Because of the OP here, several members had occasion to post things about their past that had been "unsaid" in the past, and may have been uncomfortable for them to do.
And they did it in the selfless spirit of helping someone they perceived to be in desperate need.
Safariman stole, but he *only* stole money.
The OP here stole from other members' souls.
And that can't be restored.
This whole thread should be deleted, as a tribute to those who bared their past in an attempt to help.
Gotta say, this thread has produced more butthurt than perhaps any other I've seen....including Sticks posts and the political ones.
The only way people could be so hurt is if they were gullible enough to fall for an obvious joke from a known joker.
People who thought it serious offered their well wishes and support. That cost them nothing and wasn't solicited.
I recommend they go over to the picture thread and better yet, actually get their asses outside and take some pics of their own. Nothing like nature to remind you how small the Internet really is.
Must add that whatever you think of this 'joke', there is no version of reality where a Trump supporter can claim the moral high ground...on anything.
Because of the OP here, several members had occasion to post things about their past that had been "unsaid" in the past, and may have been uncomfortable for them to do.
And they did it in the selfless spirit of helping someone they perceived to be in desperate need.
I agree. In a failed attempt to be cute and funny, he really betrayed a lot of trust. 1st class azzhole along with any/all that played along.....
The most pathetic thing about the thread was a father saying the "f" word multiple times in front of the toddler. Speaks volumes about this man. Surely the mother wasn't filming this.
Deflave never really bothered me. He's always been nothing more than a clown. Never took him seriously nor cared what he had to say. Apparently he's fine with his lot in life being a clown so I let him be. The others who helped him perpetuate some giant hoax to get a bunch of good people worked up for weeks on end for no other reason than to laugh at them is what really disappoints me.
Expected better out of them.
Yup. I expected much better of shrapnel and northern dave. I assume 4ager had a part in it too, based upon his post on 2/05/16 about "Friday music thread ('flave style)". I might be mistaken about 4ager, though.
Gotta say, this thread has produced more butthurt than perhaps any other I've seen....including Sticks posts and the political ones.
The only way people could be so hurt is if they were gullible enough to fall for an obvious joke from a known joker.
People who thought it serious offered their well wishes and support. That cost them nothing and wasn't solicited.
I recommend they go over to the picture thread and better yet, actually get their asses outside and take some pics of their own. Nothing like nature to remind you how small the Internet really is.
Must add that whatever you think of this 'joke', there is no version of reality where a Trump supporter can claim the moral high ground...on anything.
Trump, Trump, Trump,..
This ain't got nothing to do with Trump.
This is a nerd/yankee/azzhole playing nerd/yankee/azzhole games.
Deflave never really bothered me. He's always been nothing more than a clown. Never took him seriously nor cared what he had to say. Apparently he's fine with his lot in life being a clown so I let him be. The others who helped him perpetuate some giant hoax to get a bunch of good people worked up for weeks on end for no other reason than to laugh at them is what really disappoints me.
Expected better out of them.
Yup. I expected much better of shrapnel and northern dave. I assume 4ager had a part in it too, based upon his post on 2/05/16 about "Friday music thread ('flave style)". I might be mistaken about 4ager, though.
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I believe you are mistaken. Understandably maybe, but still mistaken. Good faith, mistaken.
Gotta say, this thread has produced more butthurt than perhaps any other I've seen....including Sticks posts and the political ones.
The only way people could be so hurt is if they were gullible enough to fall for an obvious joke from a known joker.
People who thought it serious offered their well wishes and support. That cost them nothing and wasn't solicited.
I recommend they go over to the picture thread and better yet, actually get their asses outside and take some pics of their own. Nothing like nature to remind you how small the Internet really is.
Must add that whatever you think of this 'joke', there is no version of reality where a Trump supporter can claim the moral high ground...on anything.
There really are folks suffering from the things you are mocking. Obviously you don't care especially what I say but man lots of respect lost from lots of folks even though they don't give a [bleep].
Not sure which has been funnier, the April Fools Joke that Travis pulled off, or all the witless banter that has followed.... Just agree to disagree and let it go....sheesh y'all got some waded up panties around here....
Not sure which has been funnier, the April Fools Joke that Travis pulled off, or all the witless banter that has followed.... Just agree to disagree and let it go....sheesh y'all got some waded up panties around here....
This whole thing was about as funny as a plane crashing into an orphanage.
I know of more than one member here that has experienced alcoholism first-hand with a close family member in recent years. Perhaps for an encore, we could get an automobile accident hoax, or maybe even for true, knee-slapping hilarity; a bout with cancer.
I am pretty sure that has already been done by SM as well.
The most pathetic thing about the thread was a father saying the "f" word multiple times in front of the toddler. Speaks volumes about this man. Surely the mother wasn't filming this.
The idea, of someone having their kid film your "greatness" while you're talking about your "greatness" on the internet,
was just plain awkward and uncomfortable on this end.
Pathetic that grown men, with some obvious, seriously F'd up low self esteem issues, and who are raising kids, are laughing at this infected boil of a epic fail thread as though it's something to be proud of. A couple of retards, who made other retards believe they're one funny group of retards, are now enjoying a circle jerk of high fiving retards trying to validate the retardation of the chief retards. Way to strive for mediocrity, players.
It's only effect has been to narrow the list of those worthy of consideration and respect.
Shameful and revealing. Fix it or find yourselves in a less than enviable position of having to bounce back from it.
In the meanwhile, grow the [bleep] up.
Exactly right Bob. I guess responding to this will get me on the "gullible pussy" list, but I'd rather be there than sloshing around in the mud with the folks that find this schitt funny.
It's a matter of when one is one on one with himself,can they then convince themselves they did the next right thing, before hitting the pillows. It's hard to sleep when there's no validating,goat-ropers high fiving you when in your own isolation.
I saw a lot of good men that offered their thoughts and prayers for my mom during her passing. They took time to offer their kind words to me and some even related their own experiences with losing a parent. The kindness shown by these "strangers" towards another "stranger" changed my attitude and perceptions of online friendships in a good way. They wrote those words perhaps not knowing how much they would mean to the recipient but I want them all to know how I will always remember their kindness. I can't fathom ever taking advantage of that, even as a "joke". I meant what I said at the very beginning of this and also in my PM to Travis, which apparently went unread, when I said I would keep him and his family in my thoughts and prayers. It would appear he and they will need it.
This whole thread is like kicking the the cane out from a disabled person. Some are gonna laugh at the person rolling on the ground while others will be appalled by such deed
I saw a lot of good men that offered their thoughts and prayers for my mom during her passing. They took time to offer their kind words to me and some even related their own experiences with losing a parent. The kindness shown by these "strangers" towards another "stranger" changed my attitude and perceptions of online friendships in a good way. They wrote those words perhaps not knowing how much they would mean to the recipient but I want them all to know how I will always remember their kindness. I can't fathom ever taking advantage of that, even as a "joke". I meant what I said at the very beginning of this and also in my PM to Travis, which apparently went unread, when I said I would keep him and his family in my thoughts and prayers. It would appear he and they will need it.
It felt good opening up a bond with you Bill. And no punk thread run by a bunch of clowns will keep me from doing that for any of my other brothers who might need a hand in a time of need.
This place can show the worst in people but at times, also the best.
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
I figured it was a gag from the git-go, but I'm usually pretty slow to take bait.
I kind of cringed when I saw a lot of folks bare their souls here. But it does say something for their good character and willingness to give moral support.
In my mind, I've pretty much worked out that nobody is generally as good, or bad, as they come across on an internet forum.
This place is like a family of sorts, with all the typical interactions, scandals, and dysfunctions.
I don't think a 'shunning' is gonna work here.....might as well lighten up, and move on.
Situational awareness boys and girls--------- and why would any of you bare your souls on the Internet is beyond me..... I figured something was up,when shrapnel posted ol Deflave was kicked out of the annual prairie dog shoot.. When a couple months back Deflave was picking up books or some [bleep] like that for shrapnel.. Bros on the outs don't run errands for each other... But I was one of the guys that did send him a pm I was holding out hope he was telling the truth anyhow it was about my dad and alcoholism my dad used to kidnap women and kill them and and cut their skin off to make a human suit cause he wanted to be women all because of the booze...
I'm betting we all know, what you will see if you look up "butt hurt" in the dictionary.
Feel free - step right up and place your bet – it's inconsequential. Some clowns might feel themselves so important that a classless charade actually could cause “hurt” for others around here. Empty - just hopeful clown dreams.
Maybe cover your first gamble - place a bet on knowing what the dictionary says about “disappointing”, or even “disgusting”?
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
With all due respect to those who've suffered or are suffering through cancer, or have a loved one doing so, you obviously don't know much about alcoholism.....
'Member them cute little sayings grandma used to say? One's like "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"? Well, there's a reason they think our generation is dumber than theirs...
Never been fooled by Travis's sheit, but been on the receiving end of his runnin' his mouth, playin the cute man. There's a line where cute and funny goes, where it ain't.
When I had problems with my marriage, he was right there to kick me when I was down. I don't forget sheit like that. Same with Steelhead. Steelhead promised "He's done", but time tells that tale, not one word and done.
And as far as forgiveness goes, I give it easily to people that I believe are sincere about wanting it. Steelhead has shown a lot of restraint, and has earned my respect for it. I don't think Scott has changed one thing about how he feels towards me, but made a decision to change the way he acts anyway. I can really respect a man for that. Travis isn't there. I was taught a man earns respect, and he hasn't.
Yep, he's a top rated turd and a loud mouth drunk. He will fail at life and lose everything. LMAO.
Between Seahags and Leslie, you are one [bleep] up little man.
Too bad that bullet didn't hit you instead of your sister. Now go [bleep] that fat wife you married.....YUCK!
Not sure which has been funnier, the April Fools Joke that Travis pulled off, or all the witless banter that has followed.... Just agree to disagree and let it go....sheesh y'all got some waded up panties around here....
Fug that nonsense.
Grown a brain and join the rest of the world.
He's got a brain....it's just located in 'flaves gourd.
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
With all due respect to those who've suffered or are suffering through cancer, or have a loved one doing so, you obviously don't know much about alcoholism.....
I agree. I suffer from alcoholism every day of my life. And I don't even drink. My father, who I loved and respected very much, left us way too soon, the result of his addiction to alcohol. I'm a changed man because of it. Words can't describe how much I miss him, and how bitter I am that he left us when I was a very young 21 years old. There are many hidden victims of alcoholism, and we suffer silently Dad spent 4 years in Hell marching across Africa and Europe, and the things he saw changed him. I don't think this justifies crawling inside a bottle at the end of the day, but it does somewhat explain why he did it. For better or worse, this was his way of forgetting the horror of war.
After the Mule Deer post, had the stop watch ready for the next Smokepole post
I don't doubt it. Probably the most productive thing you did all week. It's why you were able to so quickly ascertain that this thread was a hoax-- steadfast attention to what's really important, like who posts when on the "Hunter's Campfire."
I'll Probably post again this evening. You'll want to be ready.
Posting this evening? Does Mule Deer know about this? He gives you too much time off. No wonder those cookbooks are so high priced.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER
After the Mule Deer post, had the stop watch ready for the next Smokepole post
I don't doubt it. Probably the most productive thing you did all week. It's why you were able to so quickly ascertain that this thread was a hoax-- steadfast attention to what's really important, like who posts when on a the "Hunter's Campfire."
I'll Probably post again this evening. You'll want to be ready.
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
With all due respect to those who've suffered or are suffering through cancer, or have a loved one doing so, you obviously don't know much about alcoholism.....
I'm not going to sit here and diminish alcoholism but I've seen plenty and you can't cure cancer with meetings and self control.
Unfortunately several fine out standing folks here on the forums wanted to actually believe what you said. Some were probably hoping you did in fact hit rock bottom.. Others were hoping you did find Jesus and became a good Christian man... But when you sprang the April fools joke on them they all felt like dumbasses.. I say well played, me I saw your post and being the Army I find a lot of things hard to believe anymore.. Now most will come on and say I'm one of your followers etc..
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
With all due respect to those who've suffered or are suffering through cancer, or have a loved one doing so, you obviously don't know much about alcoholism.....
I'm not going to sit here and diminish alcoholism but I've seen plenty and you can't cure cancer with meetings and self control.
But, you can still minimize many genetic cancer risks with screenings and life choices.
If he announces you were fired as the fan club President/Founder......no one will believe it.
Why don't you do a search of all my posts and post up the ones that show I'm a huge fan of Mule Deer's. People really need to know what's going on here.
It'll prove your point, and give you something to do until next April.
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
With all due respect to those who've suffered or are suffering through cancer, or have a loved one doing so, you obviously don't know much about alcoholism.....
A 20 year old doesn't choose leukemia. Becoming an alcoholic is a choice
We give JB all the credit in the world...recognizing packaging talent when he sees it....even if it is a can sorter at the local redemption center.
A success story unmatched.
Congrats to both of you.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER
If he announces you were fired as the fan club President/Founder......no one will believe it.
Why don't you do a search of all my posts and post up the ones that show I'm a huge fan of Mule Deer's. People really need to know what's going on here.
It'll prove your point, and give you something to do until next April.
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
With all due respect to those who've suffered or are suffering through cancer, or have a loved one doing so, you obviously don't know much about alcoholism.....
A 20 year old doesn't choose leukemia. Becoming an alcoholic is a choice
What about the 50 year smoker that comes down with lung cancer......just like his Father?
'Member them cute little sayings grandma used to say? One's like "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"? Well, there's a reason they think our generation is dumber than theirs...
Never been fooled by Travis's sheit, but been on the receiving end of his runnin' his mouth, playin the cute man. There's a line where cute and funny goes, where it ain't.
When I had problems with my marriage, he was right there to kick me when I was down. I don't forget sheit like that. Same with Steelhead. Steelhead promised "He's done", but time tells that tale, not one word and done.
And as far as forgiveness goes, I give it easily to people that I believe are sincere about wanting it. Steelhead has shown a lot of restraint, and has earned my respect for it. I don't think Scott has changed one thing about how he feels towards me, but made a decision to change the way he acts anyway. I can really respect a man for that. Travis isn't there. I was taught a man earns respect, and he hasn't.
Yep, he's a top rated turd and a loud mouth drunk. He will fail at life and lose everything. LMAO.
Between Seahags and Leslie, you are one [bleep] up little man.
Too bad that bullet didn't hit you instead of your sister. Now go [bleep] that fat wife you married.....YUCK!
Sweet Jesus, did you get in trouble for cruising little boy cock again, I betcha did.
What a piece of shiet, but that's NEVER been in doubt.
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
With all due respect to those who've suffered or are suffering through cancer, or have a loved one doing so, you obviously don't know much about alcoholism.....
A 20 year old doesn't choose leukemia. Becoming an alcoholic is a choice
What about the 50 year smoker that comes down with lung cancer......just like his Father?
My original quote has the answer to that question.
Never felt an apology was due in my direction and only accept it because it is important to you, which I respect.
We're more than good. And way to go. Need anything, holler.
There were a lot of gracious, sincere replies to the thread, like the one above. Think I wrote, "Good Luck and best wishes" or something like that. Kind of sad, that they were in vain. And not funny.
Now, if Deflave had pretended to be a Sanders supporter, and started going to rallies, it could have had some real potential as a practical joke.
This whole thread is like kicking the the cane out from a disabled person. Some are gonna laugh at the person rolling on the ground while others will be appalled by such deed
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
With all due respect to those who've suffered or are suffering through cancer, or have a loved one doing so, you obviously don't know much about alcoholism.....
A 20 year old doesn't choose leukemia. Becoming an alcoholic is a choice
What about the 50 year smoker that comes down with lung cancer......just like his Father?
I thought it was bad when the TN group showed up.... now this reminds me of some show my nephew thought was funny called Jackazz.....
laffin
I had the pleasure of signing on here about the same time that bus rolled onto the scene! I just had tell a few folks that couldn't seem to make the disconnect to kiss my arse and moved on....
I'm half tempted to log off until next April, and bump this thread with an apology for last year's April Fools joke.
But that would be inexcusable. And pathetic. And cause angsty feelings.
Travis
Lol a lot of the same folks that wrote to you telling all of us their darkest alcohol related stories were the same ones who could not believe safariman was a conman..
I thought it was bad when the TN group showed up.... now this reminds me of some show my nephew thought was funny called Jackazz.....
laffin
I had the pleasure of signing on here about the same time that bus rolled onto the scene! I just had tell a few folks that couldn't seem to make the disconnect to kiss my arse and move on....
I could offer up the same advice on this thread..
Those gap-toothed TN inbreds are Stoolheads' love-children.
S'head...in some instances, cancer and alcoholism can be very similar.
Not all cases.
Folks die in auto accidents. Sometimes their fault, many times not.
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by Nebraska
Originally Posted by wisturkeyhunter
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
With all due respect to those who've suffered or are suffering through cancer, or have a loved one doing so, you obviously don't know much about alcoholism.....
A 20 year old doesn't choose leukemia. Becoming an alcoholic is a choice
What about the 50 year smoker that comes down with lung cancer......just like his Father?
I didn't want Travis to do this because I knew how many people would get upset at his deception. When he told me Fireball was going to be a main event, I was immediately on board.
So all the people that are still upset about this hoax, you can blame Fireball...
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
With all due respect to those who've suffered or are suffering through cancer, or have a loved one doing so, you obviously don't know much about alcoholism.....
I'm not going to sit here and diminish alcoholism but I've seen plenty and you can't cure cancer with meetings and self control.
But, you can still minimize many genetic cancer risks with screenings and life choices.
And not every problem has a medical solution....take liberalism for example.
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
With all due respect to those who've suffered or are suffering through cancer, or have a loved one doing so, you obviously don't know much about alcoholism.....
A 20 year old doesn't choose leukemia. Becoming an alcoholic is a choice
If you're not alcoholic, you can choose to whether or not to be a drunken POS. If you're an alcoholic, you can choose (early on) not to drink but you can't choose to not be alcoholic. You either are or your not.....its genetic, not behavioral.
Becoming a dikhead is a choice, a choice some here wear as a badge of honor encouraged by their adoring followers. Sick jokes, crude language and crass behavior, like a bunch of pimplefaced adolescents in Jr. High. Never outgrew being punks, now that they're chonological adults they hide behind the keyboard and use the excuse that "it's the internet". Just because it' the internet doesn't mean it has to be vulgar, nor a contest to see who can post the most debauched images or comments.
Becoming a dikhead is a choice, a choice some here wear as a badge of honor encouraged by their adoring followers. Sick jokes, crude language and crass behavior, like a bunch of pimplefaced adolescents in Jr. High. Never outgrew being punks, now that they're chonological adults they hide behind the keyboard and use the excuse that "it's the internet". Just because it' the internet doesn't mean it has to be vulgar, nor a contest to see who can post the most debauched images or comments.
Participating in this thread is a choice. If it is so far away from your standards, why are you here?
Comparing alcoholism to cancer is a slap in the face to people that have fought cancer or lost loved ones to cancer whom did nothing in life to put themselves at risk for it.
With all due respect to those who've suffered or are suffering through cancer, or have a loved one doing so, you obviously don't know much about alcoholism.....
A 20 year old doesn't choose leukemia. Becoming an alcoholic is a choice
If you're not alcoholic, you can choose to whether or not to be a drunken POS. If you're an alcoholic, you can choose (early on) not to drink but you can't choose to not be alcoholic. You either are or your not.....its genetic, not behavioral.
I hear you and I might be the biggest heroin addict of all time if I ever CHOSE to shoot heroin, but I never did, so I'll never know.
Their is only one person responsible for a first drink.
So in other words you trashed it... I'll have you know that shoulda went in your scrap book right between your first used condom and the Chlamydia test that you scored 100% on...
I'm appalled that our brotherhood means that lil to you... You are now on ignore and off the Christmas list...
So in other words you trashed it... I'll have you know that shoulda went in your scrap book right between your first used condom and the Chlamydia test that you scored 100% on...
I'm appalled that our brotherhood means that lil to you... You are now on ignore and off the Christmas list...
You are all butt hurt because you were duped and to top it off you [bleep] posted about your families alcohol induced related incidents and how cousin Vern died at the age of 29 of alcoholism... And why would anyone post anything about failed marriages, drug addict relatives, kids going to prison etc on here is beyond me...
So in other words you trashed it... I'll have you know that shoulda went in your scrap book right between your first used condom and the Chlamydia test that you scored 100% on...
I'm appalled that our brotherhood means that lil to you... You are now on ignore and off the Christmas list...
So in other words you trashed it... I'll have you know that shoulda went in your scrap book right between your first used condom and the Chlamydia test that you scored 100% on...
I'm appalled that our brotherhood means that lil to you... You are now on ignore and off the Christmas list...
Fück you!!!!!!!!!
3 Days. Max.
Regardless of sender.
Travis
how do I get on the christmas list?
I don't need a kidney or anything.....just fun stuff.......like a liver.
You are all butt hurt because you were duped and to top it off you [bleep] posted about your families alcohol induced related incidents and how cousin Vern died at the age of 29 of alcoholism... And why would anyone post anything about failed marriages, drug addict relatives, kids going to prison etc on here is beyond me...
I've followed this thread since its inception...wished Travis the best with his issues (still do.)
Some people think it's funny to put one over on folks, some people don't. To each his own.
My late father was one who always used to think it was absolutely hilarious to pull some sort of deception on people and (in his mind) make them look like some sort of fool, making himself look so clever in the process. He also took some sort of perverse pleasure in holding up others (his wife and kids especially) to ridicule. When I got the news that he was no longer among the living I felt a great weight lifted from my shoulders. I came to realize in later years that his behavior in that regard (like his alcoholism and philandering)was simply an attempt to overcome his deep-seated insecurity and low self esteem, both a product of the circumstances of his early life.
My wife's take on that sort of thing is, "Why say something that's not true?"
I say again, to each his own. If you like that sort of thing, live it up. If you don't , hey, it's just the internet.
It definitely crossed the line but it's the internet so oh [bleep] well. It didn't offend me in the least.
However, I don't have time to read the whole thing so maybe someone could do me a solid and direct me to the parts that are supposed to be funny. Just seems like a lot of effort and build-up for something of such marginal comedic value.
Good Lord you might want to read through all of this before you bare your soul, It's a shame,scam, farce,bad attempt at a April Fools Day joke
This is why it's time for this to go to the basement,someone reads the initial heartfelt post and doesn't realize they are being played for being a caring person
I'm not sure I have the words to describe a "man" that'd joke about losing his family.
Karma's a bitch, 'flave. Remember that when it comes around.
Yes. That's sort of the point. You were clearly wrong. Why would a grown "man" vouch for a person they've never met before in their life? What made you think you would know what I would and would not joke about?
Aren't you the same guy that moved to Washington to work with Mark Claiborne? I mean, for a guy that knows everything there is to know about everything, you seem sorta slow in this department.
For a bunch of people that spend so much time on the Hunter's Campfire, you and your ilk don't seem to observe much. Has anybody else noticed I tend to be a bit less than reverent? That every year an over the top April Fool's gag is formulated the week of April 1? That at least five other ass holes are in on it? That countless numbers of people are posting "Don't believe him!"
Is it stupid? Yes. It's supposed to be stupid. It's supposed to be over the top. And yes, the point of an April Fools joke, is to Fool, the audience you're attempting to fool.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm an ass hole. But I'm not a heartless ass hole. I can understand somebody giving me a solid "Get fugked" after they buy something like this. Especially guys that don't read this forum very much because they may not know this is an annual thing. I have friends on this site. Real friends. Not pretend friends. Real people that I have known. Some for better than 10 years. They text. I answer. They say "fugking dickhead." And that's it.
Why do strangers get so pissed when they have zero skin in the game? I'd say that answer is pretty obvious.
This is why it's time for this to go to the basement
BS this should be made a sticky for the life of the campfire.
This threadposter should be a fugkin' case study.
Dave
If only obviously. And look into getting the premature ejection problem addressed. March 27 will hereafter be known as Premature "E" Day. Who's going "blow it" prematurely next time?
I'm not sure I have the words to describe a "man" that'd joke about losing his family.
Karma's a bitch, 'flave. Remember that when it comes around.
Yes. That's sort of the point. You were clearly wrong. Why would a grown "man" vouch for a person they've never met before in their life? What made you think you would know what I would and would not joke about?
Any decent man I know wouldn't joke about losing his family. That's the point.
Originally Posted by deflave
Aren't you the same guy that moved to Washington to work with Mark Claiborne?
Nope. Never lived in Washington. I did work with Claiborne, though, and once I found out what an absolute POS that jackass is, I got out of and away from that, fixed as many of the problems that [bleep] made as I could, and did my level best to make sure he didn't screw over anyone else. It's called learning from a mistake, admitting you're wrong, and rectifying the situation. With you, I was wrong to think that you had any degree of decency whatsoever. That's recognized now, and I suspect by far more folks thank you know.
Originally Posted by deflave
I mean, for a guy that knows everything there is to know about everything, you seem sorta slow in this department.
I know enough to know that a decent man doesn't joke about losing his family. I thought you a decent man. I was wrong. I know enough to admit when I am wrong, and I was completely wrong about you.
Originally Posted by deflave
For a bunch of people that spend so much time on the Hunter's Campfire, you and your ilk don't seem to observe much. Has anybody else noticed I tend to be a bit less than reverent? That every year an over the top April Fool's gag is formulated the week of April 1? That at least five other ass holes are in on it? That countless numbers of people are posting "Don't believe him!"
Good to know you take so much pride in what shouldn't be a joke, ever. Not just the alcoholism (that's apparent, and while sad, it shouldn't be funny), but the comments about losing your family. You should go home every damned day and be thankful for a wife and beautiful kids, and the LAST damned think that should ever enter your mind is losing them. To joke about that is just a height of selfishness and egotism that I don't understand, and for that I'm grateful.
Originally Posted by deflave
Is it stupid? Yes. It's supposed to be stupid. It's supposed to be over the top. And yes, the point of an April Fools joke, is to Fool, the audience you're attempting to fool.
Well, congratulations. You fooled people who thought that 1) no decent man would joke about losing his family, and 2) that you might have actually realized that you have a drinking problem. Kudos for having tricked folks on both counts.
Originally Posted by deflave
Now don't get me wrong. I'm an ass hole. But I'm not a heartless ass hole. I can understand somebody giving me a solid "Get fugked" after they buy something like this. Especially guys that don't read this forum very much because they may not know this is an annual thing. I have friends on this site. Real friends. Not pretend friends. Real people that I have known. Some for better than 10 years. They text. I answer. They say "fugking dickhead." And that's it.
Well, bully for you. As for real friends, yeah, I have quite a few. EvilTwin, isaac, MagMarc, TLEE, RWE, NH K9, and a host of others. These are guys that I've shared meals with; hunted with; and I know and trust. Not a single damned one of them would ever joke about losing their family, and if I ever had the selfish audacity to do the same about my family for something so trivial as an online "joke", I'd fully expect several of them to beat my ass.
Originally Posted by deflave
Why do strangers get so pissed when they have zero skin in the game? I'd say that answer is pretty obvious.
Travis
Yeah, the answer is obvious. Those strangers took you for something you're not: a decent man. It won't happen again.
When karma catches up, and it always does, good luck to you. You'll need it.
Yes. That's sort of the point. You were clearly wrong. Why would a grown "man" vouch for a person they've never met before in their life? What made you think you would know what I would and would not joke about?
Aren't you the same guy that moved to Washington to work with Mark Claiborne? I mean, for a guy that knows everything there is to know about everything, you seem sorta slow in this department.
For a bunch of people that spend so much time on the Hunter's Campfire, you and your ilk don't seem to observe much. Has anybody else noticed I tend to be a bit less than reverent? That every year an over the top April Fool's gag is formulated the week of April 1? That at least five other ass holes are in on it? That countless numbers of people are posting "Don't believe him!"
Is it stupid? Yes. It's supposed to be stupid. It's supposed to be over the top. And yes, the point of an April Fools joke, is to Fool, the audience you're attempting to fool.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm an ass hole. But I'm not a heartless ass hole. I can understand somebody giving me a solid "Get fugked" after they buy something like this. Especially guys that don't read this forum very much because they may not know this is an annual thing. I have friends on this site. Real friends. Not pretend friends. Real people that I have known. Some for better than 10 years. They text. I answer. They say "fugking dickhead." And that's it.
Why do strangers get so pissed when they have zero skin in the game? I'd say that answer is pretty obvious.
Travis
Well bud, it's sort of like this. For the same reason fellas around here jump up to the plate to help some anonymous person who has run into hard times or the kid who doesn't have a gun or a person who could use some heartfelt advice,....you give because there's a kindred spirit amongst us and we put ourselves out there not expecting anything in return. You pretty much took all that goodwill and threw it in the trash for a few laughs.
I don't expect you or your friends will ever get it an that's ok. But making videos of yourself laughing at the fellas who were trying to help you(or Dave or Shrap) sure isn't doing you any favors nor is doubling down on why everyone here is so stupid or ignorant for wanting to help some stranger with nothing in it for themselves.
Becoming a dikhead is a choice, a choice some here wear as a badge of honor encouraged by their adoring followers. Sick jokes, crude language and crass behavior, like a bunch of pimplefaced adolescents in Jr. High. Never outgrew being punks, now that they're chonological adults they hide behind the keyboard and use the excuse that "it's the internet". Just because it' the internet doesn't mean it has to be vulgar, nor a contest to see who can post the most debauched images or comments.
Participating in this thread is a choice. If it is so far away from your standards, why are you here?
Yeah, Flave, a lot of well wishing guys hoping to give you words of encouragement is not much of a joke. Many of us have gone through real life situations that are similar to the crap you are pretending about. And you are right about some of us not posting much, but many of these threads are dead serious when we ask for help and advise. Your best responses are just rapid fire B S.
FWIW I don't think Travis,nor Dave,Shrapnel etc are bad guys. I think there was just some poor judgement used trying to make the joke as realistic as possible. A simple I'm sorry, I was wrong I apologize for using alcoholism as a prop in the joke,would go a long way
Becoming a dikhead is a choice, a choice some here wear as a badge of honor encouraged by their adoring followers. Sick jokes, crude language and crass behavior, like a bunch of pimplefaced adolescents in Jr. High. Never outgrew being punks, now that they're chonological adults they hide behind the keyboard and use the excuse that "it's the internet". Just because it' the internet doesn't mean it has to be vulgar, nor a contest to see who can post the most debauched images or comments.
Participating in this thread is a choice. If it is so far away from your standards, why are you here?
FWIW I don't think Travis,nor Dave,Shrapnel etc are bad guys. I think there was just some poor judgement used trying to make the joke as realistic as possible. A simple I'm sorry, I was wrong I apologize for using alcoholism as a prop in the joke,would go a long way
How 'bout dropping F-bombs in front of your daughter.....that make you "not a bad guy". The guy is a bottom feeding loser.
I don't expect you or your friends will ever get it an that's ok. But making videos of yourself laughing at the fellas who were trying to help you(or Dave or Shrap) sure isn't doing you any favors nor is doubling down on why everyone here is so stupid or ignorant for wanting to help some stranger with nothing in it for themselves.
While I can understand the subjectivity of comedy/humor, nobody is going convince me that Jeff O's posts aren't hilarious. Every single one of them. And nobody is going tell me 4ager's post wasn't fugking hilarious. Matter of fact I think my wife's words were "That guy clearly doesn't know you." And last but not least, nobody is going to convince me tommyg (no idea where that guy even came from) didn't knock one out of the park. The passion. It was priceless.
Also, I didn't make those videos.
Lastly, I never said everybody here is stupid or ignorant. But some certainly are. And it doesn't have to do with their exhibiting concern after reading the OP.
FWIW I don't think Travis,nor Dave,Shrapnel etc are bad guys. I think there was just some poor judgement used trying to make the joke as realistic as possible. A simple I'm sorry, I was wrong I apologize for using alcoholism as a prop in the joke,would go a long way
How 'bout dropping F-bombs in front of your daughter.....that make you "not a bad guy". The guy is a bottom feeding loser.
Your joke was in poor taste but it was amazing how many guys fell for it. A couple even insulted me for the audacity of pointing it out very early on. They owe me an apology!
FWIW I don't think Travis,nor Dave,Shrapnel etc are bad guys. I think there was just some poor judgement used trying to make the joke as realistic as possible. A simple I'm sorry, I was wrong I apologize for using alcoholism as a prop in the joke,would go a long way
How 'bout dropping F-bombs in front of your daughter.....that make you "not a bad guy". The guy is a bottom feeding loser.
Your joke was in poor taste buy it was amazing how many guys fell for it. A couple even insulted me for the audacity of pointing it out very early on. They owe me an apology!
How 'bout dropping F-bombs in front of your daughter.....that make you "not a bad guy"? The guy is a bottom feeding loser.
JG, c'mon, lighten up. You are being completely unfair to bottom-feeding losers. I've known of a few that would never behave like that around a child, much less post a self-centered sick thread as this.
"Scumbag" sums it up nicely. The guy needs a shrink worse than Claiborne. The bottom-feeding losers? They are the ones who somehow try to make this 'funny'...life-long followers.
I truly do hope you can own your alcoholism and overcome it. That would be an accomplishment. Duping well wishers on the 'net.... not so much.
So just to be clear, is the guy with the young one in the hospital that people are donating to genuinely in need? I'd sure hate to trust that someone could use a little help.
While I can understand the subjectivity of comedy/humor, nobody is going convince me that Jeff O's posts aren't hilarious. Every single one of them. And nobody is going tell me 4ager's post wasn't fugking hilarious. Matter of fact I think my wife's words were "That guy clearly doesn't know you." And last but not least, nobody is going to convince me tommyg (no idea where that guy even came from) didn't knock one out of the park. The passion. It was priceless.
Also, I didn't make those videos.
Lastly, I never said everybody here is stupid or ignorant. But some certainly are. And it doesn't have to do with their exhibiting concern after reading the OP.
While I can understand the subjectivity of comedy/humor, nobody is going convince me that Jeff O's posts aren't hilarious. Every single one of them. And nobody is going tell me 4ager's post wasn't fugking hilarious. Matter of fact I think my wife's words were "That guy clearly doesn't know you." And last but not least, nobody is going to convince me tommyg (no idea where that guy even came from) didn't knock one out of the park. The passion. It was priceless.
Also, I didn't make those videos.
Lastly, I never said everybody here is stupid or ignorant. But some certainly are. And it doesn't have to do with their exhibiting concern after reading the OP.
Clark
Don't care enough to argue.
....might want to read DVDGeorge's post above.
This. I've said my piece. Good luck to you, and especially to your wife and kids. Y'all will need it.
FWIW I don't think Travis,nor Dave,Shrapnel etc are bad guys. I think there was just some poor judgement used trying to make the joke as realistic as possible. A simple I'm sorry, I was wrong I apologize for using alcoholism as a prop in the joke,would go a long way
How 'bout dropping F-bombs in front of your daughter.....that make you "not a bad guy". The guy is a bottom feeding loser.
Fugkin' horrible.
Dave
If you believe that is OK, you are beyond pathetic.
Get some help for your obvious insecurity before you ruin other good people who are too young to understand right from wrong at this time, but who will likely adopt and copy your behavior.
I was going to say metaphoric, but... I looked up "step ten', looks appropriate to me--if one considers it relative to a mentally healthy human being (or one striving for such) and not some narcissistic loony.
When I read Travis's O P. my first thought was that it was a copy and paste from one of the many "online meetings" available on the web. FWIW, I still think it's a likely source.
For that reason, I held off posting on the thread until Shrapnel chimed in, which gave it an air of legitimacy.
If you want a bunch of AA members to break their anonymity, just pretend to be a newcomer to the Fellowship. It will accomplish that everytime.
There was no genius or originality involved in pulling off the prank. It only needed good people to behave like good people in order to "succeed".
Nobody remembers the name of the first Vietnam Protester to stamp on the American Flag. It was noteworthy only because it marked a new low in the behavior of people in one small arena.
And here I thought Samo, shrapnel, and Northern Dave were good guys. Like the OP likes to state "GFY's"!
For the record I actually believed Flave in the beginning and I was being sincere when I told him, "Good luck with it". (I was not aware of anything and knew nothing more than you guys...)
But the more I thought about it(like 3-4 minutes) the more I figured it was another elaborate joke.
Shrapnel's story was very suspect but Northern Dave's OBVIOUS joking around about Flave stiffing him was the uber clue that it was an April's fool gig.
I couldn't resist piling on and came up with the juvenile story about Flave defiling my 'fancy' couch pillow.
I'm pretty sure if ol Deflave needed help he would not post his life story on the Internet. Can you imagine he has actual family i.e. Mom, dad, inlaws, brothers, friends (not [bleep] internet bros) but real people met them in the flesh friends to talk too. You all got used to SM and few others FB2 baring their souls for all too see on 24hour. as far as using alcoholism who [bleep] cares. My brother in a drunken stupor hung himself you don't see me crying the blues cause ol Dave used the alcoholism as part of the joke...
FWIW I don't think Travis,nor Dave,Shrapnel etc are bad guys. I think there was just some poor judgement used trying to make the joke as realistic as possible. A simple I'm sorry, I was wrong I apologize for using alcoholism as a prop in the joke,would go a long way
How 'bout dropping F-bombs in front of your daughter.....that make you "not a bad guy". The guy is a bottom feeding loser.
I'm not sure I have the words to describe a "man" that'd joke about losing his family.
Karma's a bitch, 'flave. Remember that when it comes around.
Yes. That's sort of the point. You were clearly wrong. Why would a grown "man" vouch for a person they've never met before in their life? What made you think you would know what I would and would not joke about?
Aren't you the same guy that moved to Washington to work with Mark Claiborne? I mean, for a guy that knows everything there is to know about everything, you seem sorta slow in this department.
For a bunch of people that spend so much time on the Hunter's Campfire, you and your ilk don't seem to observe much. Has anybody else noticed I tend to be a bit less than reverent? That every year an over the top April Fool's gag is formulated the week of April 1? That at least five other ass holes are in on it? That countless numbers of people are posting "Don't believe him!"
Is it stupid? Yes. It's supposed to be stupid. It's supposed to be over the top. And yes, the point of an April Fools joke, is to Fool, the audience you're attempting to fool.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm an ass hole. But I'm not a heartless ass hole. I can understand somebody giving me a solid "Get fugked" after they buy something like this. Especially guys that don't read this forum very much because they may not know this is an annual thing. I have friends on this site. Real friends. Not pretend friends. Real people that I have known. Some for better than 10 years. They text. I answer. They say "fugking dickhead." And that's it.
Why do strangers get so pissed when they have zero skin in the game? I'd say that answer is pretty obvious.
Travis
I have no doubt that this claim (in bold) is true. I'm convinced.
I've not met Shrap but his contributions here at the Fire tell his story. Opening his gun safe and saying "take your pick" to Ben and Nash tell me what kind of man he is.
Northern Dave, I know well. He is a dear friend of mine and let me tell you, he IS the salt of the earth, talented beyond belief, family man that you all have come to know. He is the best father I have witnessed in my lifetime. He would not intentionally hurt a fly unless you piss him off but he does have an outstanding sense of humor. There are some, unknown to others, contributing factors to Dave's willingness to contribute to this thread and the prank. I think everyone that read Dave's contribution should have said "oh BS!" The minute they read it.
Now on to Travis:
I saw through his banter and BS and took the time to get to meet and know the guy because he makes me LMAO everyday on here and on text messaging. Travis is another guy that is a great father AND family man. He shoots and knows more about guns than any friend I have and is a great resource when I have questions.
Travis calls a spade a spade and when someone is being a dumbphuck on the internet, he will call them out on it and 99% of the time he nails it.
He purposely left Fireball out of the OP apology because he knew it would drive him completely nuts and again he nailed it.
Now for all the guys piling on and feeding off each other saying he should be shunned or whatever. It's freaking TRAVIS, DAVE, CLARK and April FREAKING Fools and he pulled it off DESPITE his history on this date.
No matter the subject of the joke. Bravo Flave. Bravo!
How about this Moonboot feud! These guys are some real trolling pros. LMFAO! Imagine these guys with guns instead of phones. I think BS should start prank calling the Anchorage Popeyes.
Takes one to know one poopy head. Safariman at his worst is twice the man you'll ever be stupid face, he never called names nor had a foul mouth like you.
As many of you know I've had a problem with alcohol for some time. And as some of you know this problem came to a head about a month or so ago when I not only lost some very close friends, but I also came very close to losing my family.
To make a long story short, the situation I was in caused me to reflect on what the root issue of all my problems truly are. It came down to two things:
1.) Myself. 2.) Alcohol.
This was not any easy thing to admit but once I admitted it, the changes (all for the better) started unfolding.
I am on my way to recovery and I thought that I had apologized to everybody that I had hurt in the past. Until I was visiting with an individual that attends the same AA meetings I do. He had mentioned that he logged onto Facebook and apologized to all the people he had never met, but assuredly offended and attacked while intoxicated. Initially I didn't think anything of his comment until I realized that even though this isn't Facebook, there are still real people with real names and real families that I have attacked on this forum.
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason. I know now that even though we may still disagree on some topics, I didn't attack them because of what I thought of them. I attacked them because of what I thought of myself.
This list may not be all inclusive but this is the best list I could compile after a great deal of thought and reflection:
Kevin Gibson JeffO Take a Knee Gunwizard Curdog RobJordan bigsqueeze djs
I would like to apologize to each and every one of the people I listed above. I don't expect all of you to forgive me and I don't expect all of you to accept my apology but I wanted to apologize regardless. Again, some of the things I wrote to all of you were more than just two people disagreeing. They were purposely hateful, and I apologize.
Last but not least I would like to apologize to Mr. Rick Bin. I've used his business to tear others down, when I should have been trying to build my life back up. I've blatantly disregarded his rules in an attempt to make others feel bad, so I could feel good.
I am sorry.
I will more than likely continue to post here if I feel I can help somebody with a question, but I will be posting far less than I have in the past. As anybody that has struggled with this illness knows, there are certain "triggers" I have to avoid right now and posting online is one of them.
If you feel I had slighted you in the past, please PM me. I don't want this post/thread to turn into a pissing match. I only want those that I listed to know how I feel.
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason.
Ease up on yourself.
It's just da innanet. Those people went to bed that night,...slept soundly,..and 2 days later they didn't even remember the handle of the person who had ranted at them.
You can apologize to them if you want,....but they'll just wrinkle up their forehead and ask,..."For what?"
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason.
Ease up on yourself.
It's just da innanet. Those people went to bed that night,...slept soundly,..and 2 days later they didn't even remember the handle of the person who had ranted at them.
You can apologize to them if you want,....but they'll just wrinkle up their forehead and ask,..."For what?"
Nobody pays any attention to this chit.
As much as I'd like to forgive Remington6MM, I'm not sure I'm ready yet.
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason.
Ease up on yourself.
It's just da innanet. Those people went to bed that night,...slept soundly,..and 2 days later they didn't even remember the handle of the person who had ranted at them.
You can apologize to them if you want,....but they'll just wrinkle up their forehead and ask,..."For what?"
Nobody pays any attention to this chit.
As much as I'd like to forgive Remington6MM, I'm not sure I'm ready yet.
If he ever jumped in my chit,..I don't remember it. And even if he did,..I probably deserved it.
I don't rush to the computer every morning to see if there's an apology waiting for me.
I looked at his list and have come to the conclusion that drunk or sober, I don't think I (or he) ever misread any of the [bleep] douchebags on his list.....EVAH!
I, for one, applaud a person willing to wrestle with his personal demons.
I let Brother Tito wrestle mine.
I never liked wrestling, anyway,......sweaty, stinkin, fuggin' cretins grabbin all over ya here and there,...swingin' ya all up and down,...
fug that.
Had a friend in HS that used to wink at the opponent and lick his lips. That usually had them thinking about where they were going to be getting grabbed. My friend won a lot of matches!
I suppose if he had a Brother Tito he might have let him wrestle (rassle? ) instead.
Clark has to wrestle two or three other sides of himself daily.
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason.
Ease up on yourself.
It's just da innanet. Those people went to bed that night,...slept soundly,..and 2 days later they didn't even remember the handle of the person who had ranted at them.
You can apologize to them if you want,....but they'll just wrinkle up their forehead and ask,..."For what?"
Nobody pays any attention to this chit.
As much as I'd like to forgive Remington6MM, I'm not sure I'm ready yet.
If he ever jumped in my chit,..I don't remember it. And even if he did,..I probably deserved it.
I don't rush to the computer every morning to see if there's an apology waiting for me.
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason.
Ease up on yourself.
It's just da innanet. Those people went to bed that night,...slept soundly,..and 2 days later they didn't even remember the handle of the person who had ranted at them.
You can apologize to them if you want,....but they'll just wrinkle up their forehead and ask,..."For what?"
Nobody pays any attention to this chit.
As much as I'd like to forgive Remington6MM, I'm not sure I'm ready yet.
If you realize it as a process and are patient and kind to yourself, it should come to you.
Amazing, this 24HCF stuff. I been hardly looking in here for the past 6 months and today I find this ol' canard has riz up from the daid... it's like watching an episode of "The Young and The Restless" every 6 months or so to catch up on developments.
I'm not talking about causal back-and-forth ribbing. I'm talking about the people that I personally attacked. I'm not talking about jokingly stating "GFY." I'm talking about the people I was purposely caustic to for no reason.
Ease up on yourself.
It's just da innanet. Those people went to bed that night,...slept soundly,..and 2 days later they didn't even remember the handle of the person who had ranted at them.
You can apologize to them if you want,....but they'll just wrinkle up their forehead and ask,..."For what?"
Nobody pays any attention to this chit.
I suppose there are those people, but you, Bristoe, are definitely not one of them. It just gnaws at you day and night forever. You pretend otherwise, but then you erupt a week or a month or more later. For you, it's real. For me, it's entertainment.
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