Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas

November 5th; same day as the Fort Hood attack.

Yep. Thank God for the Good Samaritans! Since the Perp was dressed in black with a black face mask, he may have had other targets planned out. If he hadn't covered his face, my theory would be that he either planned to kill himself or wanted to die by suicide by cop.

So, a good guy with a gun stopped this. We need more good guys with guns. (GGWG's)

That's just Eerie! I don't remember how many were murdered at Ft Hood, but the Fox Headlines claim this is the most deadly shooting in TX.

Yes. That was one of the first things I heard but then nothing.



Does indeed seem to be an in-law connection to that town. I think it's his current mother-in-law that has PO box there.

An evil doer willing to shoot little girls would have been capable of anything. Good he was stopped.

New York Post says the neighbor used a rifle. They may have info or may be assuming.

Edited to add: Dept of Public Safety Regional Director said the good guy used a rifle. I expect he would get that right.

Saw this earlier and feeling very much the same. A sad day for America..

I heard/read in the last hour that the good guy and the perp used "same type of gun and same type of ammo" so it was unclear if perp shot himself, or died of wounds from good guy.

probably be clearer tomorrow

We live in an evil world where Evil picks the time and place of it's choosing to do harm. The best thing we can do is to be armed and ready to confront Evil wherever we may be, laws be damned.





It would seem that nearly all of Christendom belongs to the WCC. I find it disappointing that even my diocese is a member. There are a couple I'm aware of that are conspicuously absent that I may have to consider for future membership although travel would be a bit inconvenient.


World Council of Churches Member Churches

Another story about guns at church.

My mother's family settled in middle Tennessee in the early 1800's on a land grant. Hostile Indians were a constant danger in the early years. After things had settled down, but still 25 years before the Civil War, they had enough neighbors in the area to start a community church. The family donated the land for the church and provided labor and materials and soon a nice church was in full operation, and well attended.

Many of the old church records are still in the possession of our family. These records detail many of the activities of the church and the congregation during those times. There was a routine to every Sunday. Many families traveled an hour or more to attend the services. After the morning service ended the women served a pot-luck dinner to all present. Then while the women cleaned up and visited, and the young children played, weather permitting, the men all assembled behind the church and trained and practiced with their muzzle loading rifles. They finished the session with a shooting competition of one sort or another.

A popular competition was the live turkey shoot, where a live turkey was tethered behind a log so that only its head was visible. The shooter that managed to kill the turkey with his shot got to take the bird home that day.

The men were organized with some sort of rank structure and trained in military subjects with the goal of being able to protect their community if such need should arise. In the sense that they were trained and practiced, and ready to serve if needed, these church men truly were the very essence of the "well regulated militia" that the founding fathers spoke of.

In those times every man brought his rifle to Sunday services. And they got in some practice almost every week.

No it's not. You are either an idiot or a liar. The word "regulated" as used in the 18th Century meant to be well practiced, and proficient. It had/has nothing to with govt meddling as the word 'regulation' is used today.

Your creds don't mean schitt to me other than you're an admitted enemy attempting to infiltrate or remain within our ranks. I'm LE and former military. The oaths I took mean something. There is not a sliding scale as to what degree you uphold the oath. You've already admitted you're an elitist fahq. You are a disgrace to your badge and a traitor to our values.

In every other instance where the term "regulate" is used, or regulations are referred to, the Constitution specifies who
is to do the regulating and what is being "regulated." However, in the Second Amendment, the Framers chose only to use
the term "well regulated" to describe a militia and chose not to define who or what would regulate it.

Regulated as in, well regulated sights.

We were at a church meeting last night. In the last few minutes it was question and answer time. One question was from gentleman, he was inquiring if we had a "security team" or security. I believe last week he would not have asked. Times have changed, overnight.

No one believes your lies either.

Who you referring to as a liar?

Wait..the guy was in the air Force?
Where did he learn to handle a gun?
This is strange.

That BS about the Militia part of the Second Amendment reveals you’re a liberal. It’s a liberal shibboleth.

The fact is that the statement about well regulated militias being necessary laid out the reason for what followed ... it didn’t provide a condition for what followed, and what followed was a guarantee that the people’s right (not the militia’s right) to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

One thing is becoming very clear in the incident...

The guy that armed himself and shot the bad guy is truly a hero in every sense of the word. He prevented the shooter from killing more people. Perhaps MANY more, because there was another church in Sutherland Springs just down the road from the Baptist church he attacked.

The bad guy had an arsenal in his vehicle. We may never know, but I think the rampage would have continued, had he not been stopped when he was.

The fact that a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with one just proves we need Constitutional Carry anywhere and everywhere on U.S. soil.

It's almost like Bristoe has a sockpuppet......But no way Bristoe could even make up being that stupid.

The second makes no reference to qualification. It does imply you should HAVE a firearm. Well regulated, refers to well equipped. I understand, given your background, why you interpret the amendment as you do. The clearly written amendment itself, does not require what you want. You sound reasonable enough, but the "slippery slope" is started with seemingly reasonable ideas.