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This thread was posted the same day as this thread:

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt.../searching-for-wounded-deer#Post12409849

Coincidence?

Interesting context...

Guided hunts gives you access to hunts you would otherwise not have access to.

In some places it is not even legal for a non resident to hunt unguided, In some places it would just be impossible to create your own infrastructure, In some places it would be too risky to hunt solo, ... etc.

For me, I'd rather have hunted the Caucasus, Taurus, Alps, Carpathians, Tien Shan, Pamir, Altai ... mountains, guided, than not hunt those fabulous places.

But I notice that some people tend to look over the shoulder at hunters that go on guided hunts, not seeming to understand that these hunters may hunt solo as much or more than they do, and then hunt guided as much or more than they do unguided, too.

Also, they do not seem to understand that hunting guided does not necessarily mean sitting in a heated blind with a docen deer around a feeding machine and having your guide (?) point at the one he wants you to shoot. There can be much more than that and you can be participative and help saddle horses, set up camps, cook, glass for game, skin, load the meat, ... etc.

I am not sure if these people represent the fox's role in Aesop's fable the Fox & the Grapes.

Just my thinking.

On my Moose Hunt my Guide ask me what Rifle I was shooting when I told him a 6.5-06 he looked at me funny. I explained it was basically a .270 he asked what scope. I told him a fixed 6 power he grinned and said "We are going to get along just fine" He asked how far I felt comfortable shooting and I said 50 yds. He laughed and said he would see what he could do. I killed my Moose at 50 yds off hand with a head shot as that is all I was offered. He about flipped out he said he has never had a hunter make a shot that quick and off hand he said most want the shooting sticks and take forever. I said I wanted the sticks and more time but it wasn't offered.

Yes, in my opinion, some hunts are too risky to do solo. Not that a pronghorn can shoot back at you... I am basically thinking in late season mountain hunts above 8,000ft. I just got back from the Caucasus and that can be a good example of what I mean: too remote, too treacherous, and too hard conditions to do alone. Even guided, at some stage during hunts like this, one who is there will think what the hell is he doing there!

Now I’d just like to know who the outfitter was that kicked that douchebag Gunswizard out of camp? His complaint is now a ringing endorsement of the guy

Growing up learning to jump shoot elk in the spruce-fir elk jungles, it was quite frustrating as a guide when hunters could not bring their rifle to bear quickly (as in entirely unfamiliar with their rifle), having their scope on high magnification, and being so startled by elk crashing way in the timber they would literally take a step or two backwards (actually, when elk blow up 30 yds away it can make a guy jump!). Try as I might to "coach" them that they were more likely to encounter elk less than a 100 yds rather than 300-400 yds, clients were often totally umprepared to make those close, quick shots.

I learned to accept it over time.............

I hunt on an island where the ground is rough, steep, and slippery, so there's a good chance of falling and spraining/breaking a leg. It's usually 40 degrees and pouring rain during hunting season, so if you get hurt, the risk of hypothermia is very high. And while this place is literally in sight of a good-sized town, the water moves too fast for small boats to cross the channel quickly, there are only old logging trails for rescue crews to get to you--not that you'd be near one of them anyway, the trees are too tall for helicopters to land, and the cell/radio coverage is crappy at best.

I've hunted it alone, but it's not a good idea.


Okie John

A friend "shot" a black bear, very close and unexpectedly. Trying to wrinkle out where the bear went was tough, in part because he had no idea where he was standing when he shot, let alone where the bear was.

Finally figured out his location from the magazine-load of unfired ammo laying in a neat little pile where it had been ejected while he was "shooting" the bear.