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“Personal protection rifle bullets?!” That’s laughably idiotic! I’m very glad that Speer might finally be doing things for handloaders again. They have been my first choice for most things for a long time. That marketing schtick just has to go, though. Seems like basically a copy and paste of their pistol bullets by the same name.
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I will try some of the 223 55 grainers in my 22-250. I have been wanting a tough bullet that will stabilize in a 12 twist.
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I never got a Speer bullet to shoot decently. Yeah they were tight enough to shoot minute-of-moose, but not enough to give me the warm fuzzies. Maybe it's just the HC line.
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Wow. That’s great to see Speer getting back into the game.
That 35 Whelen data is pretty serious. Yes indeed. It looks like they have got some modern load data for the old .257 Roberts as well.
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The most accurate 150 grain 30-06 load I ever had was with the Speer 150 grain HC Spitzer...the load was 60 grains of WW760 in Win brass and CCI 200 Primers...the rifle a Zastava (INTERARMS Mark 10) Mauser.
Back in the day, it was actually my favorite chuck hunting round. The bullet was an excellent deer killer also, but shots were never more than 100 yards or so, on deer that is..... I lost interest in 760 for some reason, probably because it is supposed to be very temp sensitive.....but I remain a little skeptical on that claim.
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I would think that we've already heard of their performance, for a few years now. And it's been very good actually.
Oh yeah, it's called the Fusion bullet, loaded by Federal in factory ammo. All of the Fusion loaded ammo I have seen uses a bullet with a cannelure. The pictures of the Gold Dot bullets I looked at on the Speer Website don't have a cannelure. Where did you get your info?
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In the past Speer BC estimates were a bit....optimistic. So I wouldn't trust their listed BC numbers.
That being said, I really like the way their bullets perform on game, and am happy to see them getting with the program. Hopefully these Gold Dots will be readily available and not exist only in theory, like some of their more recent offerings.
An old post: Sorry I don't have any real numbers for you, but I do have an opinion. Speer can be pretty optimistic. For example, their listed BC for the .308" 200 grain flat base is better than a Berger 185 VLD, nearly as good as the 190 VLD, and about the same as a 200 gr. Sierra GK boat tail.
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All of the Fusion loaded ammo I have seen uses a bullet with a cannelure. The pictures of the Gold Dot bullets I looked at on the Speer Website don't have a cannelure. Where did you get your info?
Speer Gold Dot and Federal Fusion are identically constructed. They are same/same. Speer Good Dot rifle bullets have a cannelure. .
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Here's a link to a post with some pretty pictures of the Speer Fusion and Gold Dots in various weights in the 223 chambering that have been out for awhile. http://www.lightfighter.net/topic/speer-75gr-gold-dot-223If you search for Gold Dot 308 150 168 you will also see pictures of those bullets loaded that clearly show a cannelure. I don't know if that means that all of Speer's new announcement Gold Dot Rifle bullets will have cannelures or not.
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All of the Fusion loaded ammo I have seen uses a bullet with a cannelure. The pictures of the Gold Dot bullets I looked at on the Speer Website don't have a cannelure. Where did you get your info?
Speer Gold Dot and Federal Fusion are identically constructed. They are same/same. Speer Good Dot rifle bullets have a cannelure. . Gotcha. This photo and several others left me wondering. https://www.speer-ammo.com/-/media/9fd0199f4b1046ceb34bd707f84d5af8.pdf
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I will try some of the 223 55 grainers in my 22-250. I have been wanting a tough bullet that will stabilize in a 12 twist. The 64 gr. Nosler bonded solid base shoots pretty good {about 1"} out of my 12 twist .22-250.
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Here's a link to a post with some pretty pictures of the Speer Fusion and Gold Dots in various weights in the 223 chambering that have been out for awhile. http://www.lightfighter.net/topic/speer-75gr-gold-dot-223If you search for Gold Dot 308 150 168 you will also see pictures of those bullets loaded that clearly show a cannelure. I don't know if that means that all of Speer's new announcement Gold Dot Rifle bullets will have cannelures or not. Thanks DD, So it looks like they are more or less Federal Fusion bullets then.
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All of the Fusion loaded ammo I have seen uses a bullet with a cannelure. The pictures of the Gold Dot bullets I looked at on the Speer Website don't have a cannelure. Where did you get your info?
Speer Gold Dot and Federal Fusion are identically constructed. They are same/same. Speer Good Dot rifle bullets have a cannelure. . Form, If my memory serves me correctly aren't you a fan of these bullets on game animals?
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Yes, Formi likes the 62 Fusion in the 223 for deer.
The 62 and 75 are both pretty stiff, great for deer. The 55 was originally developed for SBR, so isn't nearly as tough due to a thinner jacket.
The 6.5-120 is designed for the lower velocities of the Grendel, while the 140 is for the Creedmoor.
The 308-150 is excellent on deer also, from my experience.
I'd like to get a hold of the 150 Blackout and use it in reduced loads from an -06 just for fun.
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I will try some of the 223 55 grainers in my 22-250. I have been wanting a tough bullet that will stabilize in a 12 twist. The 64 gr. Nosler bonded solid base shoots pretty good {about 1"} out of my 12 twist .22-250. Really! I have some of those Nosler bonded bullets. I'll roll up a few and see what happens. My 22-250 did not like 55 grain TTSX, but they are about a tenth of an inch longer, so maybe I'll get lucky. What's your elevation?
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All of the Fusion loaded ammo I have seen uses a bullet with a cannelure. The pictures of the Gold Dot bullets I looked at on the Speer Website don't have a cannelure. Where did you get your info?
Speer Gold Dot and Federal Fusion are identically constructed. They are same/same. Speer Good Dot rifle bullets have a cannelure. . Form, If my memory serves me correctly aren't you a fan of these bullets on game animals? That 62 grain 223 Fusion load is pure poison on our smaller coastal deer.
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Sounds interesting - wonder if we’ll ever see them?
PennDog If it’s like the Grand Slam, you’ll see them, get them, work you up a good load & then, POOF!, they’ll disappear.
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I will try some of the 223 55 grainers in my 22-250. I have been wanting a tough bullet that will stabilize in a 12 twist. The 64 gr. Nosler bonded solid base shoots pretty good {about 1"} out of my 12 twist .22-250. Really! I have some of those Nosler bonded bullets. I'll roll up a few and see what happens. My 22-250 did not like 55 grain TTSX, but they are about a tenth of an inch longer, so maybe I'll get lucky. What's your elevation? About 2,000 ft.. I'm loading them over CFE .223. 34 gr's of it if memory serves.
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I will try some of the 223 55 grainers in my 22-250. I have been wanting a tough bullet that will stabilize in a 12 twist. The 64 gr. Nosler bonded solid base shoots pretty good {about 1"} out of my 12 twist .22-250. Really! I have some of those Nosler bonded bullets. I'll roll up a few and see what happens. My 22-250 did not like 55 grain TTSX, but they are about a tenth of an inch longer, so maybe I'll get lucky. What's your elevation? About 2,000 ft.. I'm loading them over CFE .223. 34 gr's of it if memory serves. I have some CFE 223 as well. Thanks for the info!
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Yes, Formi likes the 62 Fusion in the 223 for deer.
The 62 and 75 are both pretty stiff, great for deer. The 55 was originally developed for SBR, so isn't nearly as tough due to a thinner jacket.
The 6.5-120 is designed for the lower velocities of the Grendel, while the 140 is for the Creedmoor.
The 308-150 is excellent on deer also, from my experience.
I'd like to get a hold of the 150 Blackout and use it in reduced loads from an -06 just for fun. Excellent info, thanks. I want to try the 140's in my 260 Rem and my Wife's 6.5x55. There is data for both the 308 Win and 300 WM with the 168 gr GD so it must be a bit tougher bullet, it will be on the list to try when I buy either a 30-06 or 300 WSM this year.
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