"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Everyday that they shut it down is a day that they don't take any more of our freedoms away, every law they pass hurts us a little bit more and restricts or limits someone's freedom.
We have more than enough laws than our founding fathers ever dreamed possible.
Everyday that they shut it down is a day that they don't take any more of our freedoms away, every law they pass hurts us a little bit more and restricts or limits someone's freedom.
We have more than enough laws than our founding fathers ever dreamed possible.
That's right.
Every law passed and every lawsuit filed takes that much more of our freedom away.
I wouldn't count on congress going home and not passing laws though...
Heck------ I say we should dare them to shut it down, and then give them an extra push.
Withhold federal taxes until they trim off ALL the fat that is not specifically authorized by the 9th and 10th Amendments. How'd that jive with the treasonous socialist agenda of the "lib/Left"?
Remember, the Bill of Rights, the first 10 AMENDMENTS, amended something,----------the so-called "Supremacy Clause"
All the out of control government taxation and spending is bases on the "supremacy clause" passes in 1789, but AMENDED in 1791
I am so darn tired of everybody.....Democrats and Republicans alike......using illegal immigrants as a pawn in this chit. These people are here ILLEGALLY, so crying out loud Washington, just do your damned job and send ALL illegals back. If they want to come back, then let them go thru the proper channels.
I'm one of those employees, but my work is critical....so no vacation for this guy.
Originally Posted by BrentD
I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
Considering that the bulk of the power for the country comes from the Corp and bureau of rec.....I'd want those guys working. Or have lots of wood stockpiled.
Originally Posted by BrentD
I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
lol,...I was on the Outer Banks of North Carolina during the last shutdown. The beach on Ocracoke Island is a National Seashore 15 miles long.
It's just a beach,...where the Ocean meets the land. There's no development on it at all. It's just there. People walk on it and surf fish on it.
The Federal Government declared the beach had to be closed because of the government shutdown. There's only one or two park rangers who oversee it,..and there's really not much to oversee. I've been out there several times and I've yet to see one.
Anyway,..the Park Rangers didn't feel any particular need to shut down access to the beach.
The Federal Government declared the beach had to be closed because of the government shutdown.
^^^^^ Just another illegal and unconstitutional procedure designed to threaten and intimidate the citizens. Here is the LAW:
The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
lol,...I was on the Outer Banks of North Carolina during the last shutdown. The beach on Ocracoke Island is a National Seashore 15 miles long.
It's just a beach,...where the Ocean meets the land. There's no development on it at all. It's just there. People walk on it and surf fish on it.
The Federal Government declared the beach had to be closed because of the government shutdown. There's only one or two park rangers who oversee it,..and there's really not much to oversee. I've been out there several times and I've yet to see one.
Anyway,..the Park Rangers didn't feel any particular need to shut down access to the beach.
They did the same thing with the islands on Gulf Islands National Seashore. BUT, the rangers were essential and were on duty.
As soon as the clock strikes "shutdown", have the federal marshals & Border Patrol start rounding up the 800 thousand DACA children and start deporting them on a massive scale!
WIN WIN
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Obama had some boat launches shut down on the Mississippi River the last time. What a jack ass. . There is noone at the launches collecting money ore anything. They barricaded off the launch ,so it cost more to shut it down than to do nothing.
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If they shut it down, Federal employees just get a paid vacation.
Laffin.....they stay on vacation. My brother used to sell software to government agencies and he was astounded at how little they actually work. This is the case in the DC area, according to him.
If they shut it down, Federal employees just get a paid vacation.
Laffin.....they stay on vacation. My brother used to sell software to government agencies and he was astounded at how little they actually work. This is the case in the DC area, according to him.
I work at a company that does IT work for the gov't. I'm surprised at some of the positions we do. They outsource software engineers, technicians, and...even computer call center employees. I don't know what the IT departments in the gov't actually do because from where I see, they give it all to contractors anyway.
Term limits and a Balanced Budget Amendment...aren't these on Trumps to do list? Cut DACA and any aid programs to illegals and foreign aid to hostile countries. Then ram it through both houses of congress. Tired of this swamp critter collusion.
It was Jerry "Mad Dog" Shriver (SFC E-7)who said: "No, no, I've got them right where I want them -- surrounded from the inside." http://www.macvsog.cc/1969.htm
Considering that the bulk of the power for the country comes from the Corp and bureau of rec.....I'd want those guys working. Or have lots of wood stockpiled.
GOP owns the House, Senate, and the White House. A shutdown is entirely in their hands, unlike previous shutdowns.
Were the other shutdowns the dems fault?
A careful reading of my post would infer that I feel that the dems shoulder some blame. If the GOP wants to avert a shutdown they have all the votes they need, the question is can they govern.
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How many of you "shut it downers" have parents or grandparents that live on SS? Ask them how they feel about shutting it down but maybe they can come live with you. I am all for some changes but cutting off peoples way of life is not the way. Like has been said maybe cutoff all of Congress paychecks thru the rest of their term!!!!!
A shutdown needs to happen for the country to move forward with MAGA. There’s no way the Democrats and the republican squishes want to run on choosing illegal aliens over grandmas SS check and the service members. Trump needs to stand firm along with the true conservatives and let the democrats march off the political cliff. Republicans just need to keep offering a clean budget extension ( a political disgrace in itself) and let the democrats fall on their swords.
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those clowns in washington all need to get sent home, leaving only Trump and his sincere efforts to MAGA. the repubs are showing they're not our friends. the demo's never were our friends, and the red suited and blue suited clowns are colluding with each other it seems.
extending expenditures of the federal govt, the most powerful entity the world has ever seen, for a period of a month or something? get real. no wonder the piss-ant nations are trying to gang up, and attack.
why don't we have at least a five year Master Plan? the congress would rubber stamp the MAGA plan, and go home to drink toddies, and watch porn.
we're becoming the laughing stock of the civilized world, and it's all because the repubs can't or won't stand up to the national socialists.
the national socialists (demos) are attempting to bring enough illegal immigrants ashore to topple the conservative aspects of the American enterprise.
the clowns need to stand down if all they can do is a one month budget. this is turning into a national disgrace of historic proportions.
we're becoming the laughing stock of the civilized world,
I totally disagree.
oh, it's not because of our President, for whom i voted. it's because the congress composed of both demo's and pubs can't manage to pass a FEDERAL budget except for a mere month or two. it projects weakness. why not an annual budget, why not a five year budget projection, even 10 year if they're feeling particularly feisty.
we're not projecting power as country, but our President is leading. i hope he will not be denied.
When i was recovering from my back surgery in 2014 I was in a good will and was checking out, the lady in front of me was complaining about the previous govt. shut down and said that it was very inconsiderate of the politicians to shut down the .gov because then she didn't get her checks.
I couldn't hold my tongue, I said "you wouldn't have to worry about it if you went out and got a damn job, then you wouldn't have to wait for your check". She turned around and looked at me like I had three eyes!
Stupid assschitheadpissantfucktard people piss me off!
Paul
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How many of you "shut it downers" have parents or grandparents that live on SS? Ask them how they feel about shutting it down but maybe they can come live with you. I am all for some changes but cutting off peoples way of life is not the way. Like has been said maybe cutoff all of Congress paychecks thru the rest of their term!!!!!
Social Security payments (once enrolled) are automatic and done by a computer. If government offices are closed, then new enrollments will be delayed. The Passport Office will close so any emergency passports can't be issued), as well as Department of Agriculture ane Interior facilities. The Control for Disease Control (CDC) and NIH will likewise close so much research will be suspended. ETC., ETC.
Social Security payments (once enrolled) are automatic and done by a computer. If government offices are closed, then new enrollments will be delayed. The Passport Office will close so any emergency passports can't be issued), as well as Department of Agriculture ane Interior facilities. The Control for Disease Control (CDC) and NIH will likewise close so much research will be suspended. ETC., ETC.
Not if those public servants gave up their pay check like President Trump, and worked for free.
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Inasmuch as NONE of the furloughed employees will be ESSENTIAL EMPLOYEES, I say shut it down & leave it closed until the leftist DIMocRATS cry, "UNCLE".
yours, tex
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I draw SS and am in the "shut it down" crowd. All my income is from the 'gov't'. I contributed to SS starting at age 14 and started drawing it 6 years ago, my military pension cost me about 1/4 century (oh, and I paid SS the entire time), and my VA disablility was earned, too, I guess. Point is, SHUT IT DOWN and don't let the republicans cave again. I will manage.
It isn't the Boogeyman politicians want you to believe, if things "shut down".
They want you to panic and call your congressmen.
I told mine to hold fast.
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Would Social Security checks still go out? If the checks are stopped, would all monies due be paid eventually? Because Social Security benefits are not subject to appropriation, the Social Security Administration has told the House Committee on Ways and Means that the checks would go out.
Would Medicare payments be made, to doctors, hospitals, including emergency hospitalization and ER visits? The House Committee on Ways and Means asked the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) if they have any information as to what would happen if there were a government shutdown and CMS would not give any guidance. According to Ways and Means, CMS had not thought about it. According to Ways and Means, the House Committee on Financial Services also made a similar request to CMS. CMS did note that Medicare doesn’t pay in real time. There’s a minimum two-week lag time, so if the government is shut down for more than two weeks there could be an issue. CMS could also hold claims like they did with doctors in a previous situation. According to the Congressional Research Service, non-essential services could see an impact. The U.S. Department of Health & Human Services will have to issue guidance on what they deem to be essential
Would Medicaid/SCHIP payments be made? According to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, because Medicaid allotments are paid to states in advance on a quarterly basis, it is likely states will not see an immediate impact from a temporary government shutdown and consequently, nor will providers who serve the Medicaid and SCHIP populations.
What would happen with disability benefits (SSDI)? According to the Committee on Ways and Means, disability benefits would continue to be paid. New benefit applications for retirement, disability, and survivors benefits may be delayed depending on the staffing plan Social Security develops, as the number of staff on hand would determine the amount of work processed. The plan is still with OMB for their review.
What would happen with Unemployment Benefits? According to the House Committee on Ways and Means, benefits weren’t affected during the 1996 shutdown, and as mandatory spending, they would not expect them to be. States were just transferred their quarterly amounts to pay state benefits through at least the next two months. There is a concern about federally funded state administrative funds, but the Department of Labor just did a major transfer of state administrative funds in anticipation of the shutdown.
we're becoming the laughing stock of the civilized world,
I totally disagree.
oh, it's not because of our President, for whom i voted. it's because the congress composed of both demo's and pubs can't manage to pass a FEDERAL budget except for a mere month or two. it projects weakness. why not an annual budget, why not a five year budget projection, even 10 year if they're feeling particularly feisty.
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It's due to 'grand-standers' from both parties... There's always a handful on both sides that just GOTTA be on camera puffing out their chests on some little issue; desperate to show their supposed importance... And the fractured GOP is in dire need of a bunch of members to be horsewhipped in PUBLIC...
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Make the Senators vote and put on record those that voted against the military. Grandstanding in front of the camera is one thing, actually putting your vote on record is another. Could be an interesting mid-term elections.
How many of you "shut it downers" have parents or grandparents that live on SS? Ask them how they feel about shutting it down but maybe they can come live with you. I am all for some changes but cutting off peoples way of life is not the way. Like has been said maybe cutoff all of Congress paychecks thru the rest of their term!!!!!
Don't be retarded, SS payment will not be interrupted and neither will welfare payment.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
And stop trying to blame Republicans for a shutdown! In the Senate, 60 votes are needed to pass the CR. That is 60 votes. The Republicans do control the Senate, but only have 51 votes. Dems will be the ones who get the blame this time.
If we live long enough, we all have regrets. But the ones that nag at us the most are the ones in which we know we had a choice.
we're becoming the laughing stock of the civilized world,
I totally disagree.
oh, it's not because of our President, for whom i voted. it's because the congress composed of both demo's and pubs can't manage to pass a FEDERAL budget except for a mere month or two. it projects weakness. why not an annual budget, why not a five year budget projection, even 10 year if they're feeling particularly feisty.
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It's due to 'grand-standers' from both parties... There's always a handful on both sides that just GOTTA be on camera puffing out their chests on some little issue; desperate to show their supposed importance... And the fractured GOP is in dire need of a bunch of members to be horsewhipped in PUBLIC...
grandstanding in front of the cameras by both wings of the demo-publican consortium is exactly what it's all about. there is no excuse for this behavior, and we lowly commoners know that.
They close down things like National Monuments and beaches, so it hurts us. High profile on purpose. So they lose the revenue the places generate, but they post guards to keep people out, which costs money, and they pay the employees to stay home.
Social Security employees are deemed essential and continue working w/o pay until it's resolved. Nobodies checks stop.
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They close down things like National Monuments and beaches, so it hurts us. High profile on purpose. So they lose the revenue the places generate, but they post guards to keep people out, which costs money, and they pay the employees to stay home.
Social Security employees are deemed essential and continue working w/o pay until it's resolved. Nobodies checks stop.
I am going to give a different perspective on the topic. I spent 20 years in the Coast Guard and went back to work for the Coast Guard as a civilian when I retired. I have been a civilian employee for 13 years. With that said, I tend to be a small government type person. I see a lot of government waste in various forms and I see individual employees who are a waste of money. There are some government employees doing important work and doing it very well though. The importance of my position is arguable. My productivity is not. Of all the people who do what I do on the Gulf Coast, I have historically turned in the best numbers by far. I don't say that to toot my own horn but to set the stage for my overarching point. My job is highly independent. I work alone and rarely see the person who is my supervisor. Most of my job take proactive rather than reactive/response effort. I take my duty as a public servant seriously. I want to give the taxpayers and the people I serve the very best I can give them for their tax dollars. I always will, no matter how much I am used as a political pawn by our dysfunctional congress. But there are others who will abandon their loyalty over this. The government management model and organizational construct produces mediocrity as it is. They can ill afford to have disloyal, dispassionate employees who don't feel a sense of importance or belonging. Morale is important. These shutdowns have a productivity cost that cannot be measured. There are good people who will reach their fill over this and become the type who will do as little as possible for their paycheck. Why bust their balls for an ungrateful employer and an often ungrateful public. I have seen it happen.
They close down things like National Monuments and beaches, so it hurts us. High profile on purpose. So they lose the revenue the places generate, but they post guards to keep people out, which costs money, and they pay the employees to stay home.
Social Security employees are deemed essential and continue working w/o pay until it's resolved. Nobodies checks stop.
But they (congress) still gets paid.
Everyone gets paid in the end. No one loses any money.
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I remember last time it happened. The feds tried to say the federal lands were closed, and everyone told them to GF themselves. There was no enforcement.
Except for the military (including Veterans Hospitals) and border control, I see no immediate need for the federal government. Shut down any and all aid to illegals, and they'll scurry back south to cucaracha-land.
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They close down things like National Monuments and beaches, so it hurts us. High profile on purpose. So they lose the revenue the places generate, but they post guards to keep people out, which costs money, and they pay the employees to stay home.
Social Security employees are deemed essential and continue working w/o pay until it's resolved. Nobodies checks stop.
But they (congress) still gets paid.
Everyone gets paid in the end. No one loses any money.
Understand. But they and their staffs should not receive paychecks during the shutdown.
The last shut down the feds kicked everyone out of the National Parks. Made them leave. Locked the gates. WTF We are supposed to own those lands. If gov shut down they are out of a job and should go home.
The last shut down the feds kicked everyone out of the National Parks. Made them leave. Locked the gates. WTF We are supposed to own those lands. If gov shut down they are out of a job and should go home.
But the park enforcement officers were "essential" and stayed on the job.
With that said, I tend to be a small government type person. I see a lot of government waste in various forms and I see individual employees who are a waste of money. There are some government employees doing important work and doing it very well though. The importance of my position is arguable. My productivity is not. Of all the people who do what I do on the Gulf Coast, I have historically turned in the best numbers by far. I don't say that to toot my own horn but to set the stage for my overarching point. My job is highly independent. I work alone and rarely see the person who is my supervisor. Most of my job take proactive rather than reactive/response effort. I take my duty as a public servant seriously. I want to give the taxpayers and the people I serve the very best I can give them for their tax dollars. I always will, no matter how much I am used as a political pawn by our dysfunctional congress. But there are others who will abandon their loyalty over this. The government management model and organizational construct produces mediocrity as it is. They can ill afford to have disloyal, dispassionate employees who don't feel a sense of importance or belonging. Morale is important. These shutdowns have a productivity cost that cannot be measured. There are good people who will reach their fill over this and become the type who will do as little as possible for their paycheck. Why bust their balls for an ungrateful employer and an often ungrateful public. I have seen it happen.
The shutdown threat is a political stunt, as is a "true shutdown", which is a misnomer. The TSA, FAA, etc will continue to function, although with great publicity to make it obvious how valuable their particular service is for safety.
Who can we blame for this mess? Everyone looks for a scapegoat or a vague cause to create attention. The federal spending continues to spiral out of control.
The federal workers who are "essential" will continue to go to work and will be paid. The "non-essential" employees will be at home. When the "shutdown" ends they will be paid as if they had been working at their "non-essential" job.
Unfortunately there are a large number of governmental employees who "do as little as possible for their paycheck" and damned few who "take my duty as a public servant seriously. I want to give the taxpayers and the people I serve the very best I can give them for their tax dollars. I always will, no matter how much I am used as a political pawn by our dysfunctional congress."
Thanks, Paul, for your dedication and service.
After all this furor is past everyone will again forget that OUR federal government is spending way too much on things that are not important and employing many people who do not have the interests of the tax-payer on their front burner.
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If I were Trump, I'd say fugg em.....shutdown the govt. over granting amnesty to illegal aliens??? I'd tell them GD democrats I WILL NOT EVER sign legislation granting amnesty for DACA or any other program/bill they ever introduce, if they pull this stunt...
I remember last time it happened. The feds tried to say the federal lands were closed, and everyone told them to GF themselves. There was no enforcement.
Except for the military (including Veterans Hospitals) and border control, I see no immediate need for the federal government. Shut down any and all aid to illegals, and they'll scurry back south to cucaracha-land.
I had a federal game warden kick me off federal land while duck hunting during the Gingrich shutdown. We left that time but we’re going back to hunt the same area next week and all four of us said that we WILL NOT be kicked off OUR land by those we pay to be stewards of the land, they don’t own it nor can they hold us hostage to it because of a labor dispute or lack of funding on their part. If they’re on duty enough to kick us off they’re capable of doing their job of managing it for the public.
We will tell them to FAWK OFF and go back to hunting. Could be fun to throw the SOB in handcuffs and a citizens arrest for interfering with lawful hunting activities and run him to the local PD who IS legally on duty. Dreaming of course but we will NOT be leaving our federal lands. The Feds merely manage those lands for us and for OUR benefit. I’m older, wiser and less prone to being pushed around by badge heavy douchebags that aren’t even on duty. Fuggem because we ain’t following their unlawful and unconstitutional “orders”. I hope it doesn’t come to that because between us they’ll be under matched and we’re willing to take it as far as they push it.
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Inasmuch as NONE of the furloughed employees will be ESSENTIAL EMPLOYEES, I say shut it down & leave it closed until the leftist DIMocRATS cry, "UNCLE".
yours, tex
Work or not, they still get paid.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
The reason all that was done was Obama wanted to make it has hard as he could on the people and then blame the Republicans. Mick Mulvane has said that will not happen this time.
Big deal. They'll close Jellystone park for a week or 2. As long as my SS check is not late, I don't care. If the government is shut down, they can't spend our money.
Fyi, during the last "government shutdown", a large group of WWII combat veterans arrived in DC at the WWII Memorial to find it "closed" & "blocked off".
According to the hostess who was escorting the group, the "antique GIs" promptly pushed aside the barricades & said to the posted NPS police officer, who was to "keep intruders out", that, "We're not intruders., We are WWII veterans & were ARE going inside, as we planned."
One of the GIs, who is a retired Master Chief Petty Officer of the USN, said, "Sonny, you ain't big enough to keep us out of our memorial."
Thereafter, the NPS guy said, "I'm just following orders from my superiors."
The old Master Chief responded, "I understand. You should call Barack ODUMBO & tell him that a retired Master Chief, USN said to, 'go pound sand.' Would you like my name & service number?"
Without another word, the whole group entered & enjoyed visiting their memorial. = NOT another word was said to (or by) the 100 plus veterans.
Truthfully, when I heard about this "confrontation", I truly LOL. (I can close my eyes & hear my "promoted to Glory" uncle, who was a WWII Navy PO saying the same thing.)
yours, tex
"VICTORY OR DEATH"
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Unless Congress allows the shutdown to go on for several weeks or months, older Americans SHOULD NOT see any major impacts on their Social Security or Medicare benefits.
Since Social Security is a "mandatory" program, your benefits should go out in full and as scheduled.
Since Medicare and other federal health programs are "mandatory" as well, your benefits should not be affected.
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They close down things like National Monuments and beaches, so it hurts us. High profile on purpose. So they lose the revenue the places generate, but they post guards to keep people out, which costs money, and they pay the employees to stay home.
Social Security employees are deemed essential and continue working w/o pay until it's resolved. Nobodies checks stop.
But they (congress) still gets paid.
Everyone gets paid in the end. No one loses any money.
Understand. But they and their staffs should not receive paychecks during the shutdown.
They should have money taken away from them for not doing their job in the time they was suppose to do it. Their penalty should be No Pay for the Year when they can not agree on a budget and shut things down because of their stupidity.
[quote=AcesNeights]I was kicked off federal land duck hunting back in the ‘90’s. I’ll be hunting the same spot next weekend and won’t be leaving this time. [/quote
I remember that 90's shutdown. My wife drew a Wyoming moose tag in area #15 and to get to it you had to go through the GrandTeton checkpoint....It was closed. 300 mile trip for nothing. By the time they got the shutdown over with, there wasn't a moose to be found. We had a dandy bull scouted, and would have gotten him for sure on the opening, thanks Newt you sockkukker.
During the 2013 shutdown, no federally managed lands were closed off to the public...at least not around here. I never heard any rumors that they would be either...except maybe the parks, which are supposed to remain open this time. I am sure there'll be all kinds of off roading in the WSAs and wilderness areas with no law enforcement, but oh well. I think some of the campground facilities were locked in 2013 (since no one was available to maintain them, such as pit $hitters, etc.) but that was it.
I killed a bull elk on US Forest Service land during that shutdown...there certainty was not any signs or radio announcements saying I shouldn't have been there.
Trump should be saying that if there is a shutdown, he will use that time to scrutinize the non essential services, and will be making large permanent cuts to the number of federal employees. Maybe give a speech where he heavily quotes Reagan regrding the air traffic controllers.That should get the unions calling the Democrats in a panic.
"Put none but Americans on guard tonight." -George Washington
until individual taxes are cut to the bone, then everything else is just a bunch of bauble. taxes fuel this gov't debacle, as the congress members fight each other for air time to speak with the tax payers. a lot of folks in congress should be dismissed, sent home, and special elections held.
They ( Obama) shut down every thing they COULD that would inconvenience sane Americans. God bless you if you are far enough off the grid for nobody to GAF.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
If anything comes of this, it will be hung around the democrats' necks because of the DACA debacle. How they attempt to defend the exposed fact that they care more about illegal aliens than the U.S.A. shall be a sight to behold. When the media discovers this, they'll stop reporting on it.
One HOPES you are correct BUT it is my suspicion that the "main-SLIME", hate-FILLED, LYING press will report that, "The government shutdown is all Trump's fault, as he is a KNOWN RACIST".
It's called: TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME and it's a severe mental disease, that prevents the mentally ill members of the press from even admitting to themselves that they are routinely dishonest, 100% WRONG & wrong-headed.
yours, tex
"VICTORY OR DEATH"
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New poll out shows that 97% of people blame President Trump and the Rs for the shutdown.
Where did they take the poll, inside a gay bath house?
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Some federal employees deemed essential will be required to work w/o pay, or more accurately, to be paid later.
That would be me, and the 1.3M other AD Military folks.
Really?
And our pay was disrupted last time as well. That can be a huge factor for some of the junior enlisted folks with families.
Understood. Do you think active military will be considered non-essential personnel this go-round?
No, not non-essential. In fact, we are working this weekend, the entire Squadron, regardless of any of this shutdown talk. Last time, we I was in Korea and we worked that weekend too!!
Seems as of 0000 EST the govt is on essential personnel only. (read that as shutdown)
Seems some of you will be happy, others not so much.
Geno
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
As soon as the clock strikes "shutdown", have the federal marshals & Border Patrol start rounding up the 800 thousand DACA children and start deporting them on a massive scale!
Trump should be saying that if there is a shutdown, he will use that time to scrutinize the non essential services, and will be making large permanent cuts to the number of federal employees. Maybe give a speech where he heavily quotes Reagan regrding the air traffic controllers.That should get the unions calling the Democrats in a panic.
During the last shutdown, I went to the lake on the local federal game refuge to do a little canoeing. They had yellow tape across the entrance to the parking and boat ramp - but we don't need no stinkin' ramp. So I parked off-refuge and carried the canoe to the water, and went for a ride. Two federal fish cops met me when I came back to take out. They were pretty friendly, although they were unsure that they would get paid for being there. They invited me to not come back, but that was it. Funny - I've always wondered what they would have done if I just stayed out on the water 'til dark. I'm going to take another trip over there and see if they're handling it the same this time. Who knows - I might even take the boat for a spin. There's islands on the local river that are also part of the reserve. Might be time to go make tracks all over those too.
New poll out shows that 97% of people blame President Trump and the Rs for the shutdown.
Where did they take the poll, inside a gay bath house?
I am on a number of different forums. I have a habit of telling posters when their post gives me my first out loud laugh of the morning. Yours is today's winner.
Couple of good points on TV this morning: Now is a great time to review "non-essential personnel", some may not be needed at all. Why should Congress be able to shut down govt. just because they refuse to do their jobs? Only chit-hole countries try to punish citizens with political hi-jinks that accomplish nothing.
--- CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE --- A Magic Time To Be An Illegal In America---
There is NO Maybe here! This is complete nonsense and sarcasm.
97 % of Americans can't agree on anything let alone politics. Ya can't even get that many to agree that the world is round for [bleep] sake.
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Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
I figured out how the shutdown will affect me. The IRS was supposed to start processing 2017 tax returns on Monday. I can wait for the money I over paid.
we ordinary working blokes, citizens, taxpayers, don't have to pay taxes for any and all days the gov't is shutdown, right? i mean, why should we have to?
and who decides that minor detail? the repubs or the demo's? or do they BOTH agree that we still have to pay, gov't or no? those clowns are trying yet again to take us citizens for a ride at our expense.
shutdown shumer and shutdown trump (pick one) should belly up to the podium together & arm in arm, and announce a tax holiday for all days the gov't is dysfunctional and shut down. let's see how some reality injected into the equation might work to motivate the congress to lead.
but we won't see that. we'll see endless tv soundbites, and video clips, while our taxes continued to be deducted from our paychecks (for those who are working), the non-tax payers are going to suffer a hardship when the money machine dries up.
Fwiw, you couldn't get 97% of Americans to agree that they like pie, much less anything else. = Thus the claims of the leftist/Trump-HATING radicals are BUNK.
yours, tex
"VICTORY OR DEATH"
William Barrett Travis, Lt.Col., comdt. Fortress of The Alamo, Bejar F'by 24, 1836
I would suggest that those who believe that Democrats shutting down the government on behalf of illegal aliens is wrong should look to how to support local military when the paychecks stop but they are still required to work. These folks don't make $100K a year like the bureaucrats do. So volunteer up money for food, utilities -- Reach out and find out how to support our military while the Dems use them them and cause them to suffer so they can help illegal aliens.
"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."
So is Navy Federal CU. And First Command Bank. I have seen a few places that are waiving fees on most loan payments if this shutdown is affecting them.
So is Navy Federal CU. And First Command Bank. I have seen a few places that are waiving fees on most loan payments if this shutdown is affecting them.
So is Navy Federal CU. And First Command Bank. I have seen a few places that are waiving fees on most loan payments if this shutdown is affecting them.
That's great.....I hope more follow suite.
I am going to have to sit the "kids" down on Monday and really go over this stuff. We will get through it...again...but I am worried about some of the younger one's fiscal responsibility.
So is Navy Federal CU. And First Command Bank. I have seen a few places that are waiving fees on most loan payments if this shutdown is affecting them.
That's great.....I hope more follow suite.
I am going to have to sit the "kids" down on Monday and really go over this stuff. We will get through it...again...but I am worried about some of the younger one's fiscal responsibility.
If you and your family find yourselves in need please let us know we will gladly and proudly help, we are here for you brother.
That goes for any military member on this site. Don't be to proud to ask as we find it an honor to help you men.
Paul
"I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon".... D.A.D.
Trump Won!, Sandmann Won!, Rittenhouse Won!, Suck it Liberal Fuuktards.
This situation bothers me as I fear the shutdown will fall on top of our junior enlisted folks, who live "paycheck to paycheck". (Those of us who are in the higher pay-grades, whether on AD or retired, will be little affected, as we generally have some "money in the bank".)
While I appreciate the individual geneorosity of a few commercial companies & our own forum members, what NEEDS doing is that EVERY member of the forum, who supports our Armed Forces, should DEMAND that every congress-critter IMMEDIATELY END the shutdown OR face our ANGER at the ballot box this Fall & in ALL of the elections to come.
I'm "sick to death" of REQUESTING that the Congress serve the whole USA,rather than their political party. = It's, imo, PAST TIME to start telling our "representatives" to conform to our desires or face losing their job.
yours, tex
"VICTORY OR DEATH"
William Barrett Travis, Lt.Col., comdt. Fortress of The Alamo, Bejar F'by 24, 1836
So that you don't LOOK DISHONEST, I suggest that you immediately DELETE the above FALSE "quote" and APOLOGIZE for posting a LIE to the forum, as even SNOPES.COM (which is NO friend of President Trump or any conservative) states that "quote" was MADE UP & was NEVER said by Donald Trump at any time.
yours, tex
"VICTORY OR DEATH"
William Barrett Travis, Lt.Col., comdt. Fortress of The Alamo, Bejar F'by 24, 1836
So that you don't LOOK DISHONEST, I suggest that you immediately DELETE the above FALSE "quote" and APOLOGIZE for posting a LIE to the forum, as even SNOPES.COM (which is NO friend of President Trump or any conservative) states that "quote" was MADE UP & was NEVER said by Donald Trump at any time.
yours, tex
Look what your precious leader said.
Trump is weak sauce.
The US in the last 40 years:
Socialism for big corporations and military industrial complex
Guess what YOU POS TRUMP JUST TOOK HIS WORDS AND RAMMED THEM UP YOUR ASS. LOL! !!
Originally Posted by Northman
Originally Posted by satx78247
Northman.
So that you don't LOOK DISHONEST, I suggest that you immediately DELETE the above FALSE "quote" and APOLOGIZE for posting a LIE to the forum, as even SNOPES.COM (which is NO friend of President Trump or any conservative) states that "quote" was MADE UP & was NEVER said by Donald Trump at any time.
yours, tex
Look what your precious leader said.
Trump is weak sauce.
"Maybe we're all happy."
"Go to the sporting goods store. From the files, obtain form 4473. These will contain descriptions of weapons and lists of private ownership."
It was true when Trump said it, it was the presidents fault, because he was a POS obstructionist activist POS POS POS. It's not true now because it's the democrats fault. Common theme, it's the democrats fault.
_______________________________________________________ An 8 dollar driveway boy living in a T-111 shack
ONCE MORE, the DIMocRATS got their @ss handed to them & LOOK evermore STUPID & FECKLESS. = The DIMocRATS Party is "on life support", as THOUSANDS of registered Democrats each month change their registration to: Independent or "of no party". (For the 1st time since the 1920s the DIMs have less registered members than the GOP does in 2018, per the FEC.)
I suspect that the day after the 2018 General Election that the DIMocRATS will long for the results of the 2014 mid-terms.
"VICTORY OR DEATH"
William Barrett Travis, Lt.Col., comdt. Fortress of The Alamo, Bejar F'by 24, 1836
Trump got people together in a room. Several times. Well, people and demoncraps. The demoncraps can't interact appropriately with decent human beings, having annulled their humanity and now being fit for only Hell.
You lieberals are all so stupid and vile, but then when all you know is hate and lies, what other path could you take?
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
It must really suck to live somewhere that a "government shutdown" makes a difference.
Like the Sand Box in Afghanistan.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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