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Originally Posted by DryPowder
Don't forget those who fell victim of the Nazi Masturbating Machines.

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But we never gave in, not really; there was that one time just before liberation but other than that we were strong. We would see the boys they put on those masturbating machines just drop, just die, right there in front of us. The absolute cruelty was beyond our belief.


Pretty sure that story was revealed to be untrue

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
Here's what it is. (get ready for the knashing of teeth and the tearing of hair)

Jews were the foundation of the Communist Bolshevik revolution in Russia. Everybody in positions of authority knew that. FDR knew it,...Churchill knew it,...Hitler knew it,....Stalin was obviously right in the middle of it.

It's all been sent down the memory hole these days. But it was in Europe's face back during the early part of the 20th century. It wasn't a secret back then.

Once you internalize that,..WW2 makes much more sense,....well,..except for the part America decided to take in it.

I'll never understand why FDR and Churchill decided to take the Bolshevik side of the squabble.

I suspect that they thought it would be easier to deal with the Bolsheviks than it would be to deal with a German based empire.

I think history has proven them wrong.


I agree with you basic premise, but everyone and rightfully so, were terrified of the Germans and their abilities.


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Well,....maybe,...but more French than Slavs welcomed the Germans. Many French were in the Waffen SS,...and during the occupation, the Germans lived among the French pretty much as locals.

The Germans who manned the outposts in Normandy regularly ate at French restaurants and dated the local women. More than a few of them fathered families with the French women.

WW2 wasn't as black and white as history would have you to believe.

In much of Europe it was very grey.

Easy to understand once you realize what was going on with the Bolsheviks next door in Russia.

The *aware* Europeans understood that it needed to be kept out of Europe.

Germany took a stand against it.

I'm sorry, but unless you quote a source, not buying more French welcomed the Germans than slavs. The French "lived" with the Germans under the occupation because the Germans were too busy with Russia to devote enough resources to cover the French and even then, when they got tired of the Resistance, the abolished Vichy France and moved in in force. The French "lived" with the Germans to survive. French hatred of the Germans and German disdain for the French (and everyone else save maybe the Brits) goes back a long time, at least to Napoleon. You are correct nothing is as black and white as most uniformed people believe, but the German occupation of Europe was brutal and is not "grey" but about as black and white as it gets


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Well,....maybe,...but more French than Slavs welcomed the Germans. Many French were in the Waffen SS,...and during the occupation, the Germans lived among the French pretty much as locals.

The Germans who manned the outposts in Normandy regularly ate at French restaurants and dated the local women. More than a few of them fathered families with the French women.

WW2 wasn't as black and white as history would have you to believe.

In much of Europe it was very grey.

Easy to understand once you realize what was going on with the Bolsheviks next door in Russia.

The *aware* Europeans understood that it needed to be kept out of Europe.

Germany took a stand against it.

I'm sorry, but unless you quote a source, not buying more French welcomed the Germans than slavs. The French "lived" with the Germans under the occupation because the Germans were too busy with Russia to devote enough resources to cover the French and even then, when they got tired of the Resistance, the abolished Vichy France and moved in in force. The French "lived" with the Germans to survive. French hatred of the Germans and German disdain for the French (and everyone else save maybe the Brits) goes back a long time, at least to Napoleon. You are correct nothing is as black and white as most uniformed people believe, but the German occupation of Europe was brutal and is not "grey" but about as black and white as it gets


These two books are a collection of interviews with former German soldiers who manned the French coast before and on D-Day. They took place in the mid 50's. They speak quite a bit about D-Day itself, but they also give a lot of insight into the day to day life of the soldiers during the French occupation.

https://www.amazon.com/DAY-Through-...mp;psc=1&refRID=HM28GMAPPCH5DAMCB8MC

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There was definitely no love lost between the Poles and the Germans before, during, or after the war. But in all of the accounts my old in laws related to me, there was never any mention of the Germans going out of their way to mistreat the Poles during the occupation.


Yeah, they only killed 1.9 million of them, if you don't count the 3 million Jews. Quite benevolent for nazis.


https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005473

The German occupation of Poland was exceptionally brutal. The Nazis considered Poles to be racially inferior. Following the military defeat of Poland by Germany in September 1939, the Germans launched a campaign of terror. German police units shot thousands of Polish civilians and required all Polish males to perform forced labor. The Nazis sought to destroy Polish culture by eliminating the Polish political, religious, and intellectual leadership. This was done in part because of German contempt for Polish culture and in part to prevent resistance against the occupation.

In May 1940, the German occupation authorities launched AB-Aktion, a plan to eliminate the Polish intelligentsia and leadership class. The aim was to kill Polish leaders with great speed, thus instilling fear in the general population and discouraging resistance. The Germans shot thousands of teachers, priests, and other intellectuals in mass killings in and around Warsaw, especially in the city's Pawiak prison. The Nazis sent thousands more to the newly built Auschwitz concentration camp, to Stutthof, and to other concentration camps in Germany where non-Jewish Poles constituted the majority of inmates until March 1942.

The Nazis conducted indiscriminate retaliatory measures against populations in areas where resistance was encountered. These policies included mass expulsions. In November 1942, the Germans expelled over 100,000 people from the Zamosc region; many were deported to the Auschwitz and Majdanek camps. Approximately 50,000 Polish children were taken from their families, transferred to the Reich, and subjected to "Germanization" policies.

Following the annexation of western Poland to Germany, Hitler ordered the "Germanization" of Polish territory. Nazi governors (such as Arthur Greiser in the Warthegau and Albert Forster in Danzig-West Prussia) expelled hundreds of thousands of Poles from their homes in the Generalgouvernement. More than 500,000 ethnic Germans were then settled in these areas.

A Polish government-in-exile, led by Wladyslaw Sikorski, was established in London. It was represented on Polish soil by the underground "Delegatura," whose primary function was to coordinate the activities of the Polish Home Army (Armia Krajowa). The Polish resistance staged a violent mass uprising against the Germans in Warsaw in August 1944. The rebellion lasted two months but was eventually crushed by the Germans. More than 200,000 Poles were killed in the uprising.

Between 1939 and 1945, at least 1.5 million Polish citizens were deported to German territory for forced labor. Hundreds of thousands were also imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps.

It is estimated that the Germans killed at least 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish civilians during World War II. In addition, the Germans murdered at least 3 million Jewish citizens of Poland.


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Many of those interviewed also stated that there were hundreds of Russians manning the German defenses along the French coast.

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Originally Posted by RickyD
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There was definitely no love lost between the Poles and the Germans before, during, or after the war. But in all of the accounts my old in laws related to me, there was never any mention of the Germans going out of their way to mistreat the Poles during the occupation.


Yeah, they only killed 1.9 million of them, if you don't count the Jews. Quite benevolent for nazis.


https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005473

The German occupation of Poland was exceptionally brutal. The Nazis considered Poles to be racially inferior. Following the military defeat of Poland by Germany in September 1939, the Germans launched a campaign of terror. German police units shot thousands of Polish civilians and required all Polish males to perform forced labor. The Nazis sought to destroy Polish culture by eliminating the Polish political, religious, and intellectual leadership. This was done in part because of German contempt for Polish culture and in part to prevent resistance against the occupation.

In May 1940, the German occupation authorities launched AB-Aktion, a plan to eliminate the Polish intelligentsia and leadership class. The aim was to kill Polish leaders with great speed, thus instilling fear in the general population and discouraging resistance. The Germans shot thousands of teachers, priests, and other intellectuals in mass killings in and around Warsaw, especially in the city's Pawiak prison. The Nazis sent thousands more to the newly built Auschwitz concentration camp, to Stutthof, and to other concentration camps in Germany where non-Jewish Poles constituted the majority of inmates until March 1942.

The Nazis conducted indiscriminate retaliatory measures against populations in areas where resistance was encountered. These policies included mass expulsions. In November 1942, the Germans expelled over 100,000 people from the Zamosc region; many were deported to the Auschwitz and Majdanek camps. Approximately 50,000 Polish children were taken from their families, transferred to the Reich, and subjected to "Germanization" policies.

Following the annexation of western Poland to Germany, Hitler ordered the "Germanization" of Polish territory. Nazi governors (such as Arthur Greiser in the Warthegau and Albert Forster in Danzig-West Prussia) expelled hundreds of thousands of Poles from their homes in the Generalgouvernement. More than 500,000 ethnic Germans were then settled in these areas.

A Polish government-in-exile, led by Wladyslaw Sikorski, was established in London. It was represented on Polish soil by the underground "Delegatura," whose primary function was to coordinate the activities of the Polish Home Army (Armia Krajowa). The Polish resistance staged a violent mass uprising against the Germans in Warsaw in August 1944. The rebellion lasted two months but was eventually crushed by the Germans. More than 200,000 Poles were killed in the uprising.

Between 1939 and 1945, at least 1.5 million Polish citizens were deported to German territory for forced labor. Hundreds of thousands were also imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps.

It is estimated that the Germans killed at least 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish civilians during World War II. In addition, the Germans murdered at least 3 million Jewish citizens of Poland.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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There was definitely no love lost between the Poles and the Germans before, during, or after the war. But in all of the accounts my old in laws related to me, there was never any mention of the Germans going out of their way to mistreat the Poles during the occupation.


Yeah, they only killed 1.9 million of them, if you don't count the Jews. Quite benevolent for nazis.


https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005473

The German occupation of Poland was exceptionally brutal. The Nazis considered Poles to be racially inferior. Following the military defeat of Poland by Germany in September 1939, the Germans launched a campaign of terror. German police units shot thousands of Polish civilians and required all Polish males to perform forced labor. The Nazis sought to destroy Polish culture by eliminating the Polish political, religious, and intellectual leadership. This was done in part because of German contempt for Polish culture and in part to prevent resistance against the occupation.

In May 1940, the German occupation authorities launched AB-Aktion, a plan to eliminate the Polish intelligentsia and leadership class. The aim was to kill Polish leaders with great speed, thus instilling fear in the general population and discouraging resistance. The Germans shot thousands of teachers, priests, and other intellectuals in mass killings in and around Warsaw, especially in the city's Pawiak prison. The Nazis sent thousands more to the newly built Auschwitz concentration camp, to Stutthof, and to other concentration camps in Germany where non-Jewish Poles constituted the majority of inmates until March 1942.

The Nazis conducted indiscriminate retaliatory measures against populations in areas where resistance was encountered. These policies included mass expulsions. In November 1942, the Germans expelled over 100,000 people from the Zamosc region; many were deported to the Auschwitz and Majdanek camps. Approximately 50,000 Polish children were taken from their families, transferred to the Reich, and subjected to "Germanization" policies.

Following the annexation of western Poland to Germany, Hitler ordered the "Germanization" of Polish territory. Nazi governors (such as Arthur Greiser in the Warthegau and Albert Forster in Danzig-West Prussia) expelled hundreds of thousands of Poles from their homes in the Generalgouvernement. More than 500,000 ethnic Germans were then settled in these areas.

A Polish government-in-exile, led by Wladyslaw Sikorski, was established in London. It was represented on Polish soil by the underground "Delegatura," whose primary function was to coordinate the activities of the Polish Home Army (Armia Krajowa). The Polish resistance staged a violent mass uprising against the Germans in Warsaw in August 1944. The rebellion lasted two months but was eventually crushed by the Germans. More than 200,000 Poles were killed in the uprising.

Between 1939 and 1945, at least 1.5 million Polish citizens were deported to German territory for forced labor. Hundreds of thousands were also imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps.

It is estimated that the Germans killed at least 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish civilians during World War II. In addition, the Germans murdered at least 3 million Jewish citizens of Poland.


Your source has an agenda.

Yep. Truth. So does yours: lies.


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Originally Posted by DryPowder

Just a PSA that some of us don't need to go to Germany whistle


http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/holocaust-denier-arrested-in-germany/

From the article: Holocaust denier arrested in Germany

Canadian woman Monika Schaefer, who called the Shoah the most “persistent lie in all of history” is detained


And mama merkel called hitler a fascist. crazy


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Originally Posted by RickyD
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There was definitely no love lost between the Poles and the Germans before, during, or after the war. But in all of the accounts my old in laws related to me, there was never any mention of the Germans going out of their way to mistreat the Poles during the occupation.


Yeah, they only killed 1.9 million of them, if you don't count the Jews. Quite benevolent for nazis.


https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005473

The German occupation of Poland was exceptionally brutal. The Nazis considered Poles to be racially inferior. Following the military defeat of Poland by Germany in September 1939, the Germans launched a campaign of terror. German police units shot thousands of Polish civilians and required all Polish males to perform forced labor. The Nazis sought to destroy Polish culture by eliminating the Polish political, religious, and intellectual leadership. This was done in part because of German contempt for Polish culture and in part to prevent resistance against the occupation.

In May 1940, the German occupation authorities launched AB-Aktion, a plan to eliminate the Polish intelligentsia and leadership class. The aim was to kill Polish leaders with great speed, thus instilling fear in the general population and discouraging resistance. The Germans shot thousands of teachers, priests, and other intellectuals in mass killings in and around Warsaw, especially in the city's Pawiak prison. The Nazis sent thousands more to the newly built Auschwitz concentration camp, to Stutthof, and to other concentration camps in Germany where non-Jewish Poles constituted the majority of inmates until March 1942.

The Nazis conducted indiscriminate retaliatory measures against populations in areas where resistance was encountered. These policies included mass expulsions. In November 1942, the Germans expelled over 100,000 people from the Zamosc region; many were deported to the Auschwitz and Majdanek camps. Approximately 50,000 Polish children were taken from their families, transferred to the Reich, and subjected to "Germanization" policies.

Following the annexation of western Poland to Germany, Hitler ordered the "Germanization" of Polish territory. Nazi governors (such as Arthur Greiser in the Warthegau and Albert Forster in Danzig-West Prussia) expelled hundreds of thousands of Poles from their homes in the Generalgouvernement. More than 500,000 ethnic Germans were then settled in these areas.

A Polish government-in-exile, led by Wladyslaw Sikorski, was established in London. It was represented on Polish soil by the underground "Delegatura," whose primary function was to coordinate the activities of the Polish Home Army (Armia Krajowa). The Polish resistance staged a violent mass uprising against the Germans in Warsaw in August 1944. The rebellion lasted two months but was eventually crushed by the Germans. More than 200,000 Poles were killed in the uprising.

Between 1939 and 1945, at least 1.5 million Polish citizens were deported to German territory for forced labor. Hundreds of thousands were also imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps.

It is estimated that the Germans killed at least 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish civilians during World War II. In addition, the Germans murdered at least 3 million Jewish citizens of Poland.


Your source has an agenda.

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My sources were family members who lived through it.

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Originally Posted by blairvt
The Real Hawkeye, are you saying it didn't happen?


Hell yeah it happened, but, the bolshevik jews killed 10/12 times more than the alleged 6 mil jews, think the real number is less than 3 mil, where are the defender/cheer/fan clubs for the 60-80 mil dead folk the bolsheviks killed?


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Another fact. My Mother in Law and Father in Law met at the German work farm. After the war both of them stayed at the farm until they were forced by the allied authorities to go to the displaced person's camp. The farm couple allowed them to eat at the table as long as no authorities were around.

My Father in Law stayed in touch with the German couple after the war and even visited them once during a trip back to Europe after my in laws had immigrated to Canada. My wife still has some of the letters that were exchanged between them from back then.

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Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by blairvt
The Real Hawkeye, are you saying it didn't happen?


Hell yeah it happened, but, the bolshevik jews killed 10/12 times more than the alleged 6 mil jews, think the real number is less than 3 mil, where are the defender/cheer/fan clubs for the 60-80 mil dead folk the bolsheviks killed?


Hey, you can't bring that up, most of those were low life whites, no value to mankind, very dispensable. Only jews have worth. geesh!

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Don't forget those who fell victim of the Nazi Masturbating Machines.

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But we never gave in, not really; there was that one time just before liberation but other than that we were strong. We would see the boys they put on those masturbating machines just drop, just die, right there in front of us. The absolute cruelty was beyond our belief.


Pretty sure that story was revealed to be untrue


Yes and it wasn't the first either but you still go to jail for pointing it out.


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Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by blairvt
The Real Hawkeye, are you saying it didn't happen?


Hell yeah it happened, but, the bolshevik jews killed 10/12 times more than the alleged 6 mil jews, think the real number is less than 3 mil, where are the defender/cheer/fan clubs for the 60-80 mil dead folk the bolsheviks killed?



From Wikipedia:
Jewish Bolshevism also known as Judeo-Bolshevism is an antisemitic canard which alleges that the Jews were at the origin of the Russian Revolution and held the primary power among Bolsheviks. Similarly, the Jewish Communism theory implies that Jews have been dominating the Communist movements in the world. They are part of the ZOG conspiracy theory, which asserts that Jews control world politics.


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It’s a good thing we have the anti-antisemitism police so closely monitoring our discussion.

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Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by blairvt
The Real Hawkeye, are you saying it didn't happen?


Hell yeah it happened, but, the bolshevik jews killed 10/12 times more than the alleged 6 mil jews, think the real number is less than 3 mil, where are the defender/cheer/fan clubs for the 60-80 mil dead folk the bolsheviks killed?


Hey, you can't bring that up, most of those were low life whites, no value to mankind, very dispensable. Only jews have worth. geesh!


BWAAHAHAHA, what cracks me up are the 'wheezensteen nazi' hunters, yeah, those sombitches really created a bogus career for themselves, complete with bilking and whining priveledges, where in fook are the bolschevik hunters, and an splc office to hang out at for donations?


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Uh-Huh, so bolschevism is to jews as is isis to muzzies, huh? crazy


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
It’s a good thing we have the anti-antisemitism police so closely monitoring our discussion.


You might gain some ground if you would respond to your question asking for German built gas chambers....


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http://library.flawlesslogic.com/tsar_1.htm

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In the night of July 16-17, 1918, a squad of Bolshevik secret police murdered Russia's last emperor, Tsar Nicholas II, along with his wife, Tsaritsa Alexandra, their 14-year-old son, Tsarevich Alexis, and their four daughters. They were cut down in a hail of gunfire in a half-cellar room of the Ipatiev house in Ekaterinburg, a city in the Ural mountain region, where they were being held prisoner. The daughters were finished off with bayonets.
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Although officially Jews have never made up more than five percent of the country's total population, they played a highly disproportionate and probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime, effectively dominating the Soviet government during its early years. Soviet historians, along with most of their colleagues in the West, for decades preferred to ignore this subject. The facts, though, cannot be denied.
With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and -- as chairman of the Central Executive Committee -- head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.

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