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http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

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There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

--Winston Churchill, 1920

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http://library.flawlesslogic.com/tsar_1.htm

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In the night of July 16-17, 1918, a squad of Bolshevik secret police murdered Russia's last emperor, Tsar Nicholas II, along with his wife, Tsaritsa Alexandra, their 14-year-old son, Tsarevich Alexis, and their four daughters. They were cut down in a hail of gunfire in a half-cellar room of the Ipatiev house in Ekaterinburg, a city in the Ural mountain region, where they were being held prisoner. The daughters were finished off with bayonets.
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Although officially Jews have never made up more than five percent of the country's total population, they played a highly disproportionate and probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime, effectively dominating the Soviet government during its early years. Soviet historians, along with most of their colleagues in the West, for decades preferred to ignore this subject. The facts, though, cannot be denied.
With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and -- as chairman of the Central Executive Committee -- head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.



No way!!! Are you sure those aren't Aryan names?

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Of course, Winston Churchill didn't have access to Wikipedia.

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It’s a good thing we have the anti-antisemitism police so closely monitoring our discussion.


You might gain some ground if you would respond to your question asking for German built gas chambers....


And BOWSINGER, I'll ask you again.............what are the casting dates of those furnaces. I could care less when they say they were installed. I want to know the date cast into the metal of those alleged furnaces.

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It’s a good thing we have the anti-antisemitism police so closely monitoring our discussion.


It's not the 'locals' that you need to be concerned with...

...it's these guys, and based on their reputation and history, I seriously doubt they are looking into role playing computer games.

Israel's Mossad is looking for a few good startups

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“We are looking for companies that are dealing in areas we are interested in, that are at the beginning stages, with a good idea and a good staff."
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The Mossad meets Sequoia Capital, one of the world’s top venture capital firms, in a new technological innovation fund called Libertad.

That’s rights, after excelling in various forms of spy craft, the Israeli intelligence agency is dipping into the field of seed money for start-ups. Only it’s not trying to turn a profit, but rather to stay a step ahead of the next big thing in technology.

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Eli Groner, the director-general of the Prime Minister’s Office, said in a conference call with journalists that the overall aim of the project, which has been in the works for 18 months and officially launched on Tuesday, is to enable the Mossad to take advantage of Israel’s unique start-up ecosystem to ensure its technological superiority.

A Mossad employee, identified on the call only as “Aleph,” said the Mossad has come to the conclusion that in today’s technological world, there is a need to find a way to work with start-ups.

“We are looking for companies that are dealing in areas we are interested in, that are at the beginning stages, with a good idea and a good staff. We want a relationship with them and invest in their idea, so that they can fulfill their dreams and we can get the technology that we can use,” he said.

Both Groner and Aleph said the idea was not to buy technology that already exists, but rather to be involved in the early stages so that the Mossad gets the technology it feels it needs. Groner said nobody will know what the Mossad will ultimately do with the technology.

The US has something similar, called In-Q-Tel, which is defined as the “strategic investor for the US intelligence and defense communities that identifies and adapts cutting- edge technologies.”

According to the slick website for Libertad (www.libertad.gov.il), it “seeks to strengthen both start-up companies and the Mossad’s knowledge base, operating at the forefront of technological innovation.”

The fund is offering up to NIS 2 million in equity free capital for R&D of relevant, viable and groundbreaking projects. A larger investment may be approved in special cases. Groner said that the expectation is that in the beginning stages the Mossad will invest in five projects a year.

On Tuesday it issued calls for proposal in the fields of robotics, energy, encryption, web intelligence and big data and text analysis.

Aleph said the Mossad was not revealing anything by publicizing an interest in these fields, since it is logical these are the areas the intelligence community is interested in.

According to the website, in the field of robotics the Mossad is looking for “innovative robotic technologies in the fields of flexible robotics, biomimetics, miniaturized systems, all-terrain capabilities – land, sea, and air – and silencing solutions.”

In the field of energy, it is looking for ways to increase energy performance; in encryption, ways to encrypt information at a high speed “using unconventional, groundbreaking methods.”

As far as web intelligence is concerned, it wants “innovative technologies for automatic identification of personality characteristics – personality profiling – based on online behavior and activity, using methods based on statistics, machine learning, and other areas.”

The Mossad funding is not a capital investment, and is equity free – meaning the Mossad just wants to be able to use the technology. At the end of development, the Mossad will receive a non-exclusive license to use the intellectual property developed during the project.

The agreement with the Mossad does not confer any restrictions on the intellectual property, there is no need to pay royalties, and there are no other restrictions on the company.

The fund is open for all to submit proposals.

As to the name, Libertad, the Mossad gave this explanation: “Libertad translates from Latin as ‘freedom’ – this is one of the principles on which the fund we created was based: the freedom of companies and entrepreneurs in the Start-Up Nation to create innovative and groundbreaking technology with our help, and the Mossad’s freedom to realize this bridge with technological innovations. Libertad is also the name of a ship that carried Jewish immigrants, which departed Bulgaria in June 1940 and reached Mandatory Palestine about a month later.”

In the Frequently Asked Questions section of the website, one of the questions is whether “companies need to be frightened of collaborating with the Mossad?” “The Mossad wants to encourage innovation and creation of groundbreaking technology, to realize its R&D challenges,” goes the reply.

“Our model can ensure initial financing that will boost entrepreneurs at a stage when many ideas are not realized because investors do not rush to pour in funds so early, while we embrace such challenges.

We are striving for a WINWIN situation, and feel we have built a model that will serve both us and the entrepreneurs.”

The names of the start-ups the Mossad works with will not be published.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

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There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

--Winston Churchill, 1920




Churchill was spot on and it carried well into the 50s until the demise of the Soviets. Even today, they vote overwhelmingly democrat, which is after all, Soviet-lite...


A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Originally Posted by Bristoe
http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

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There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

--Winston Churchill, 1920




Churchill was spot on and it carried well into the 50s until the demise of the Soviets. Even today, they vote overwhelmingly democrat, which is after all, Soviet-lite...


As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Jewish role in the Bolshevik revolution wasn't a secret back in the early part of the 20th century. People keep trying to flush it down the memory hole, but it's going to be difficult to do that. The Bolshevik Revolution and both of Europe's big wars are linked in multiple ways. The Bolshevik Revolution pretty much started the ball rolling way back in 1917.

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Shin Bet chief warns of 'real world surprises’ if cyber attackers go after Israel

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June 27, 2017 13:27
Israeli MK Yair Lapid: Intel agencies should form task force to defend elections.

Cyber attackers “can expect real world surprises” if they go after Israel, Shin Bet chief Nadav Argaman told a Tel Aviv University cyber conference on Tuesday.

“Our defense does not recognize any borders... We follow threats everywhere... We connect the cyber and the physical world,” Argaman said in his first public remarks on cyber issues since taking over the agency in May 2016.

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“We do not just wait to get hacked. We go aggressively after hackers to get them before they attack,” the Shin Bet director said.

He said the agency had “used cyber intelligence to stop many real world attacks,” including identifying 2,000 potential “lone-wolf” threats in 2016.

Responses to these threats could include a combination of Shin Bet arrests, those by the Palestinian Authority, as well as other forms of warnings to persons with profiles and social media indications that the agency views as at risk of becoming a lone-wolf attacker.

In March, Argaman said the Shin Bet’s cyber efforts had led to 402 arrests of potential lone-wolf attackers.

Moreover, the agency has stopped dozens of serious cyber attacks.

Throughout the world, he said, “we have recently seen cyber attacks on infrastructure, hacking of cars and...

stealing sensitive classified information.”

Part of what makes the cyber threat so dangerous is that attacks are “faster than most terror attacks” and attackers can also re-attack quickly if their first attempt is thwarted.

He also described “the asymmetry between the ease of the attacker to cause trouble” and the investment defenders must put it to thwart attacks.

Further, he noted that many states are using non-state actors and unaffiliated surrogates to cause major cyber damage.

Cyber defense “requires unprecedented cooperation” between the Shin Bet, IDF and Mossad and with foreign intelligence agencies, the private sector and academia,” he said.

Argaman indicated that the Shin Bet is “in the midst of a revolution, changing its technology department into a combined cyber-technology department.” Some 25% of the Shin Bet are now technologists, he said.

“We are getting the best hackers, and competing” with the private sector for them, he told the gathering Yesh Atid chairman Yair Lapid, meanwhile, called for a task force composed of representatives of the Shin Bet, IDF and Mossad to focus on safe-guarding Israeli elections.

The task force should issue a report to President Reuven Rivlin since he is unaffiliated with political parties, he said.

Lapid told attendees this was necessary after the US and French elections were manipulated and with expectations that the next German election will be hacked, as well.

The Yesh Atid leader said, sarcastically: “What a plus it would be for the enemy to decide” who will be Israel’s prime minister.

He also warned about “fake news” manipulating elections, asserting that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had used fake news in the last vote when he distributed a message that droves of Arabs were being bused to the voting booths. The impact of a foreign government using such tactics, he said, would be far worse.

“It is easier to hack newspapers or television stations than the Pentagon or the Mossad,” but this can also do major damage, Lapid said.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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Originally Posted by Bristoe
http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

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There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

--Winston Churchill, 1920




Churchill was spot on and it carried well into the 50s until the demise of the Soviets. Even today, they vote overwhelmingly democrat, which is after all, Soviet-lite...


As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Jewish role in the Bolshevik revolution wasn't a secret back in the early part of the 20th century. People keep trying to flush it down the memory hole, but it's going to be difficult to do that. The Bolshevik Revolution and both of Europe's big wars are linked in multiple ways. The Bolshevik Revolution pretty much started the ball rolling way back in 1917.


Most people today only hear that 6 million Jews were put to death by the Nazis in WW2. They have absolutely no idea, because the history books and teachers don't teach it, about what I call "the rest of the story."

I have never been a Holocaust denier......it happened, the Nazis did kill millions of Jews, but I've also always felt that rather than being told just a piece of what really happened, the whole story needs to be told as well. There was a reason that Jews were pretty much looked down upon in most of Europe. People generally have good reasons for doing that, and if one will take the time the dig deep and search out the facts, such as what Bristoe and other posters have done, the REAL story begins to unfold.

In no way am I defending the Nazis, but rather saying just look at the events that took place in Europe beginning with the Bolshevik Revolution on up to WW2. If one will do that, they will see that the Nazis weren't the only ones committing genocide on a large scale.

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Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
It’s a good thing we have the anti-Casting of Majdanek gas chamber door - ushmm.org
www.ushmm.org › Learn about The Holocaust
This casting of a gas chamber door in the Majdanek killing center, near Lublin, Poland, was commissioned by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Majdanek …
police so closely monitoring our discussion.


You might gain some ground if you would respond to your question asking for German built gas chambers....


And BOWSINGER, I'll ask you again.............what are the casting dates of those furnaces. I could care less when they say they were installed. I want to know the date cast into the metal of those alleged furnaces.


Do your own Homework. The internet is full of ptotos like this:
Casting of Majdanek gas chamber door - ushmm.org
www.ushmm.org › Learn about The Holocaust
This casting of a gas chamber door in the Majdanek killing center, near Lublin, Poland, was commissioned by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Majdanek …

So what? The Anti-Semitics claim the dates/ the photos are all faked anyway...

I have already posted a lot of the construction date records for the camps that predate the Russians arriving:
“Established in March 1933, the Dachau concentration camp was the first regular concentration camp established by the National Socialist (Nazi) government. Heinrich Himmler, in his capacity as police president of Munich, officially described the camp as "the first concentration camp for political prisoners." It was located on the grounds of an abandoned munitions factory near the northeastern part of the town of Dachau, about 10 miles northwest of Munich in southern Germany.

n 1942, the crematorium area was constructed next to the main camp. It included the old crematorium and the new crematorium (Barrack X) with a gas chamber. There is no credible evidence that the gas chamber in Barrack X was used to murder human beings. Instead, prisoners underwent "selection"; those who were judged too sick or weak to continue working were sent to the Hartheim "euthanasia" killing center near Linz, Austria. Several thousand Dachau prisoners were murdered at Hartheim. Further, the SS used the firing range and the gallows in the crematoria area as killing sites for prisoners.

In Dachau, as in other Nazi camps, German physicians performed medical experiments on prisoners, including high-altitude experiments using a decompression chamber, malaria and tuberculosis experiments, hypothermia experiments, and experiments testing new medications. Prisoners were also forced to test methods of making seawater potable and of halting excessive bleeding. Hundreds of prisoners died or were permanently disabled as a result of these experiments.

Dachau prisoners were used as forced laborers. At first, they were employed in the operation of the camp, in various construction projects, and in small handicraft industries established in the camp. Prisoners built roads, worked in gravel pits, and drained marshes. During the war, forced labor utilizing concentration camp prisoners became increasingly important to German armaments production.”

So what? The Anti-Semitics make a big deal about all those who died from lack of medical care instead of in the chambers...somehow that makes it all better...

["Although he didn’t mention the name Ohrdruf In his book entitled Crusade in Europe, Eisenhower wrote the following about April 12, 1945, the day he visited the Merkers salt mines that held the Nazi treasures:"]

The same day, I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I have never felt able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain, however that I have never at any other time experienced an equal sense of shock.I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that “the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda.” Some members of the visiting party were unable to go through with the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to Patton’s headquarters that evening I sent communications to both Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and British publics in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt.
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"So without going to see Buchenwald or any other camp, Eisenhower immediately started a propaganda campaign about the horror of the German camps.  Was the word typhus ever mentioned in all of this propaganda.  NO!"

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Originally Posted by JamesJr

Most people today only hear that 6 million Jews were put to death by the Nazis in WW2. They have absolutely no idea, because the history books and teachers don't teach it, about what I call "the rest of the story."

I have never been a Holocaust denier......it happened, the Nazis did kill millions of Jews.


Odd, then, that upon close examination, virtually not a single detail of the Holocaust narrative survives scrutiny. If it were able to do so, subjecting its claims to historical analysis wouldn't have been outlawed by just about every Western nation besides the one possessing a First Amendment.

PS Canada is not on the list only because they don't call it a Holocaust Denial Law. They disingenuously call it something else, but utilize it as one.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by JamesJr

Most people today only hear that 6 million Jews were put to death by the Nazis in WW2. They have absolutely no idea, because the history books and teachers don't teach it, about what I call "the rest of the story."

I have never been a Holocaust denier......it happened, the Nazis did kill millions of Jews.


Odd, then, that upon close examination, virtually not a single detail of the Holocaust narrative survives scrutiny. If it were able to, subjecting its claims to historical scrutiny wouldn't have been outlawed by just about every Western nation besides the one possessing a First Amendment.

PS Canada is not on the list only because they don't call it a Holocaust Denial Law. They disingenuously call it something else, but utilize it as one.


TRH, while we readily agree on most things, I think there's just too much evidence to deny that it happened.......to one extent or another. One can call it what they want, but the Nazis did in fact roundup and kill millions of Jews.

But, my reasons for posting about this are twofold.......first, someone should not be jailed and prosecuted for not believing it happened. That's simply ludicrous, and so wrong as to be almost unbelievable. Secondly, most of the Bolsheviks were Jews, the start of Communism in the Soviet Union. We know many innocent people were slaughtered under the Communists, and that number is far greater than the number of Jews that the Germans killed. Yet, the Jews have gone to great lengths to make it seem as if the only slaughter of innocents that ever happened was to them. We know that not to be true, at least some of us do.

I'm not going to argue this with you. We aren't as far apart as you may think.

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Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
It’s a good thing we have the anti-Casting of Majdanek gas chamber door - ushmm.org
www.ushmm.org › Learn about The Holocaust
This casting of a gas chamber door in the Majdanek killing center, near Lublin, Poland, was commissioned by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Majdanek …
police so closely monitoring our discussion.


You might gain some ground if you would respond to your question asking for German built gas chambers....


And BOWSINGER, I'll ask you again.............what are the casting dates of those furnaces. I could care less when they say they were installed. I want to know the date cast into the metal of those alleged furnaces.


Do your own Homework. The internet is full of ptotos like this:
Casting of Majdanek gas chamber door - ushmm.org
www.ushmm.org › Learn about The Holocaust
This casting of a gas chamber door in the Majdanek killing center, near Lublin, Poland, was commissioned by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Majdanek …

So what? The Anti-Semitics claim the dates/ the photos are all faked anyway...

I have already posted a lot of the construction date records for the camps that predate the Russians arriving:
“Established in March 1933, the Dachau concentration camp was the first regular concentration camp established by the National Socialist (Nazi) government. Heinrich Himmler, in his capacity as police president of Munich, officially described the camp as "the first concentration camp for political prisoners." It was located on the grounds of an abandoned munitions factory near the northeastern part of the town of Dachau, about 10 miles northwest of Munich in southern Germany.

n 1942, the crematorium area was constructed next to the main camp. It included the old crematorium and the new crematorium (Barrack X) with a gas chamber. There is no credible evidence that the gas chamber in Barrack X was used to murder human beings. Instead, prisoners underwent "selection"; those who were judged too sick or weak to continue working were sent to the Hartheim "euthanasia" killing center near Linz, Austria. Several thousand Dachau prisoners were murdered at Hartheim. Further, the SS used the firing range and the gallows in the crematoria area as killing sites for prisoners.

In Dachau, as in other Nazi camps, German physicians performed medical experiments on prisoners, including high-altitude experiments using a decompression chamber, malaria and tuberculosis experiments, hypothermia experiments, and experiments testing new medications. Prisoners were also forced to test methods of making seawater potable and of halting excessive bleeding. Hundreds of prisoners died or were permanently disabled as a result of these experiments.

Dachau prisoners were used as forced laborers. At first, they were employed in the operation of the camp, in various construction projects, and in small handicraft industries established in the camp. Prisoners built roads, worked in gravel pits, and drained marshes. During the war, forced labor utilizing concentration camp prisoners became increasingly important to German armaments production.”

So what? The Anti-Semitics make a big deal about all those who died from lack of medical care instead of in the chambers...somehow that makes it all better...

["Although he didn’t mention the name Ohrdruf In his book entitled Crusade in Europe, Eisenhower wrote the following about April 12, 1945, the day he visited the Merkers salt mines that held the Nazi treasures:"]

The same day, I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I have never felt able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain, however that I have never at any other time experienced an equal sense of shock.I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that “the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda.” Some members of the visiting party were unable to go through with the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to Patton’s headquarters that evening I sent communications to both Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and British publics in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt.
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"So without going to see Buchenwald or any other camp, Eisenhower immediately started a propaganda campaign about the horror of the German camps.  Was the word typhus ever mentioned in all of this propaganda.  NO!"


So what's the deal BOWSINGER am I saying it wrong? None of those photo's show any casting dates. I do not care what Eisenhower wrote, he had an agenda. Adding to the narrative ensured his future.

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This holocaust debate is like 2 people get beaten then robbed. The Police Officer runs up and asks if anyone is hurt and can you describe the Robber. The victims start arguing who was beat the worst and who lost the most money. ..........................................The Robber is never identified and gets away and no one cares.

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Originally Posted by JamesJr

TRH, while we readily agree on most things, I think there's just too much evidence to deny that it happened.......to one extent or another. One can call it what they want, but the Nazis did in fact roundup and kill millions of Jews.

Unfortunately, about the only evidence of this is that the accepted narrative tells us so, while actual facts suggest something else. For example, the International Red Cross went to work right after the war crunching the numbers they had carefully gathered throughout the war (they had inspection access to all the facilities containing prisoners of all kinds), and not only noticed no extermination facilities, but calculated the total deaths of those in German custody throughout the war to be something on the order of 300,000., including all ethnic groups. Odd also is the absence of a single coroner report indicating death by exposure to toxic substance. Also odd were the multiple cases where camp commandants were executed by the German high command for mistreating Jewish inmates. One was executed for killing two Jews who had inadvertently discovered he’d been recently diagnosed with syphilis. The list of facts inconsistent with the narrative is extremely long.

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Originally Posted by RickyD


It is estimated that the Germans killed at least 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish civilians during World War II. In addition, the Germans murdered at least 3 million Jewish citizens of Poland.


I'm not sure about the numbers, but it's odd that your source gives no mention of the genocide carried out against the Polish people by the Bolsheviks.

https://polishgreatness.blogspot.com/2012/06/stalins-courtroom-trial-of-16-polish.html

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Among the Soviet crimes against the Poles were the infamous Katyn Massacres in which over 16,000 Polish officers were arrested by the Soviet NKVD, deported to Russia and systematically executed. Over a million Polish civilians including members of the intelligentsia, had been deported to Russian gulags and either executed or worked to death. This was genocide - the calculated destruction of the Polish people, their culture, and their leadership.




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...but she was bailed out almost immediately, for she was only 3' tall, had no teeth, her head was flat, and she owned a liquor store.

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Originally Posted by JamesJr

TRH, while we readily agree on most things, I think there's just too much evidence to deny that it happened.......to one extent or another. One can call it what they want, but the Nazis did in fact roundup and kill millions of Jews.

Unfortunately, about the only evidence of this is that the accepted narrative tells us so, while actual facts suggest something else. For example, the International Red Cross went to work right after the war crunching the numbers they had carefully gathered throughout the war (they had inspection access to all the facilities containing prisoners of all kinds), and not only noticed no extermination facilities, but calculated the total deaths of those in German custody throughout the war to be something on the order of 300,000., including all ethnic groups. Odd also is the absence of a single coroner report indicating death by exposure to toxic substance. Also odd were the multiple cases where camp commandants were executed by the German high command for mistreating Jewish inmates. One was executed for killing two Jews who had inadvertently discovered he’d been recently diagnosed with syphilis. The list of facts inconsistent with the narrative is extremely long.


Red Cross Admits Knowing of the Holocaust During the War

Red Cross and Vatican helped thous...Mengele and Klaus Barbie in the postwar

Red Cross Inspected One Concentration Camp

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Originally Posted by Bristoe

Among the Soviet crimes against the Poles were the infamous Katyn Massacres in which over 16,000 Polish officers were arrested by the Soviet NKVD, deported to Russia and systematically executed. Over a million Polish civilians including members of the intelligentsia, had been deported to Russian gulags and either executed or worked to death. This was genocide - the calculated destruction of the Polish people, their culture, and their leadership.




And the command structure at the top of the NKVD was almost entirely Jewish. Soon as they moved into eastern Poland, they sought out the Jews living amongst the Poles and hired them to rat out the Poles who might potentially resist the occupation, who were then summarily executed by the NKVD and their homes given to the Jews who ratted on them. This is the reason that when the Germans eventually took eastern Poland from the Soviets, they found so many murdered Jews everywhere. The Poles had taken their revenge as soon as the Soviet Army pulled out.

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