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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Find a rifle you really like chambered for any of those, or some others, and go for it. If you plan on shooting it a lot, maybe a .243, for all its virtues, might not be the best idea. A mid-range .25, 6.5, or 7mm might wear better.


It really does come down to what rifle fits and feels the best. Any of those cartridges willl fill the gap (What do any of them do that a 30-06 can't? If you just want to shoot 110gr. bullets, shoot 30 cal. 110 grain bullets).

That is unless there is a new rifle in a new chambering that you just have to have. And it's a 6.5x55. grin


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Originally Posted by Gtscotty
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I would personally throw the 25-06 out from the beginning. It shoots low BC bullets really fast. So does the .243, but the .243 can also shoot pretty high BC bullets reasonably fast. Same could be said for your 22-250, if you've got enough twist in your barrel for the 75's. So on that line, I'd probably throw out the .243 unless your 22-250 isn't legal for deer wherever you are located.

The 7-08 would be my next to throw out. It is really just a little 30-06. A 140 7mm bullet and a 165 .308 bullet are the same SD, and these two cartridges can push them to about the same velocities. I personally don't see what one of those two does that the other doesn't until you get to a 200 grain Partition on something that might eat you. If someone had a 7-08 and wasn't hunting bears, I'd conversely wonder what they were hoping to accomplish by adding a 30-06.

That leaves the 6.5's. The Creedmoor and the Swede are basically interchangeable. I've seen Quickload predictions that put them within less than 50 fps of each other. The Creedmoor is the obvious choice if you want a short action or the ability to get decent factory ammo. The Swede has the best buy on Lapua brass, and a 147 ELD at 3.150" pretty much puts the shank/boat tail junction of the bullet right at the shoulder/neck junction of the case while having more room for RL26. Either one can blast a 123-130 class bullet at close to or over 3,000 fps, which is the same ballistics as the .243 with 105's, while having the option to go higher in bullet weight/BC if one desired. On the other side, a 95 VMax or 100 BT, TTSX, or Partition should be capable of 3150-3300 fps.



Not much that needs to be added to this, my thoughts exactly. I will say I've had my last 6.5x55, it's a good chambering, but doesn't do anything that the 6.5 Creedmoor doesn't with better rifle, ammo, component and full power load data availability. The easy button for this question is a Creedmoor in whatever flavor you prefer, a couple lbs of RL16, and some bullets matching your specific needs. I've been shooting Hornady brass in my 6.5s for a while, but with the good reports going around about Starline and Peterson, I'll have to upgrade my next batch and give them a try.




Pretty much it. The only Swede I'd touch is a Tikka and that would be if I handloaded or had an ass pile of factory 123 Scenars laying around. And got the deal of the century on it. It's still second seat to 6.5 CM.

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There is no "gap" between 22-250 and 30-06.

So buy whatever you think you want.

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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
There is no "gap" between 22-250 and 30-06.





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Can't see much that you don't already have covered with the 22-250 & 30/06. That just leaves style points, doesn't get much classier than one that has been getting it done since the 19th century, so 6.5x55.


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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
There is no "gap" between 22-250 and 30-06.

So buy whatever you think you want.


I have to agree ! Those 2 rounds will cover Mice --> --> Alaskan Browns, ask 458 Win.

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Originally Posted by 16bore
Originally Posted by Gtscotty
Originally Posted by seven_miller
I would personally throw the 25-06 out from the beginning. It shoots low BC bullets really fast. So does the .243, but the .243 can also shoot pretty high BC bullets reasonably fast. Same could be said for your 22-250, if you've got enough twist in your barrel for the 75's. So on that line, I'd probably throw out the .243 unless your 22-250 isn't legal for deer wherever you are located.

The 7-08 would be my next to throw out. It is really just a little 30-06. A 140 7mm bullet and a 165 .308 bullet are the same SD, and these two cartridges can push them to about the same velocities. I personally don't see what one of those two does that the other doesn't until you get to a 200 grain Partition on something that might eat you. If someone had a 7-08 and wasn't hunting bears, I'd conversely wonder what they were hoping to accomplish by adding a 30-06.

That leaves the 6.5's. The Creedmoor and the Swede are basically interchangeable. I've seen Quickload predictions that put them within less than 50 fps of each other. The Creedmoor is the obvious choice if you want a short action or the ability to get decent factory ammo. The Swede has the best buy on Lapua brass, and a 147 ELD at 3.150" pretty much puts the shank/boat tail junction of the bullet right at the shoulder/neck junction of the case while having more room for RL26. Either one can blast a 123-130 class bullet at close to or over 3,000 fps, which is the same ballistics as the .243 with 105's, while having the option to go higher in bullet weight/BC if one desired. On the other side, a 95 VMax or 100 BT, TTSX, or Partition should be capable of 3150-3300 fps.



Not much that needs to be added to this, my thoughts exactly. I will say I've had my last 6.5x55, it's a good chambering, but doesn't do anything that the 6.5 Creedmoor doesn't with better rifle, ammo, component and full power load data availability. The easy button for this question is a Creedmoor in whatever flavor you prefer, a couple lbs of RL16, and some bullets matching your specific needs. I've been shooting Hornady brass in my 6.5s for a while, but with the good reports going around about Starline and Peterson, I'll have to upgrade my next batch and give them a try.




Pretty much it. The only Swede I'd touch is a Tikka and that would be if I handloaded or had an ass pile of factory 123 Scenars laying around. And got the deal of the century on it. It's still second seat to 6.5 CM.



I've wanted one of those Tikkas for a long time. But I have too many rifles that it would overlap with and never can justify it. Maybe I need to follow your lead and do a semi-purge...

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Originally Posted by 16bore


"That leaves the 6.5's. The Creedmoor and the Swede are basically interchangeable." > quote - seven__miller


....The only Swede I'd touch is a Tikka and that would be if I handloaded or had an ass pile of factory 123 Scenars laying around. And got the deal of the century on it. It's still second seat to 6.5 CM.


I can tell you from Ownership Experience that a Win 70 does extremely well in 6.5X55. Now it's NOT a S A tho.

Using MODERN firearms and MODERN loading the Swede will be ahead of the Creed.... but not enuff to make a diff.
16 - you are right about Factory Ammo.

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ps: I 'think' I got the quotes right ? ?

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If you just did simple math you'd end up at something in .26 caliber.

Which ain't a bad place to end up.



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I'd pick the Creed or the Swede because 140's at 26 to 2700 fps should have less muzzle blast than the rest, and they don't need a long barrel.

The Creed is probably a better choice as a secondary medium game gun because of the stadardized chamber and brass dimensions, inexpensive and high quality ammo, and more efficient and shorter case design making better use of and giving a longer bore in any barrel length.
But the Swede is knda cooler and it's larger case offers potential for higher velocity.

I wouldn't rule out the 243, 30-30, or 357.
Or 7-08 if I found a really good deal on a rifle I really liked.

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I have had a .25-06 (RU77 V), which I never should have sold (Fiddleback grain, end to end, MOA out of box with reloads - not with factory). Wonderful caribou (open plains) gun.

I currently have a Rem 725 SA .260 - originally .244. Also a very nice MOA shooter. With not inconsiderable work to make it that way.

I also have a Rem 700 in .243- also with considerable work to make it MOA.

I'd go with the 6.5 Creed in your place.

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Of those you mentioned, the best one for killing stuff is the 7-08. But the difference is negligible. For, me the 7-08 and the 6.5 Creed would be the only two of those mentioned that I would consider. Though, I have and like a 6.5x55.

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I have a .243 and 7mm-08 among several other calibers. The 'tweener for me is my .260 Remington which has become my favorite big game caliber. Flatter shooting and milder recoil than the 7mm-08 and more umph than the .243 with similar recoil. All three are based off the .308 case so little or no problem finding/making brass. It's hard not to like any of the 6.5 calibers and most can be loaded with a wide range of bullets for varmints/predators to big game. And they're not lacking on the target range. So...of your listed calibers...I'd go 6.5 Creedmoor.

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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
There is no "gap" between 22-250 and 30-06.

So buy whatever you think you want.



laugh laugh

If looking for one to play with and shoot a bunch, I'd probably buy the 6.5 Creedmoor.
It'll save some tube on the 22-250 and you can save on some recoil from the 30.06. At least that's how I'd justify it to myself anyway. whistle


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It’s looking like the 6.5s are favored, but that comes to me by no surprise. Doubt any are really a bad choice? I think I could be happy with any of them. I am favoring the Creed though. I just need to find an offering from a manufacturer now that I like, and go with it. I want to get this right because I honestly don’t see too many more being added to my stable in the future. I will have majority of my needs/wants covered with the addition of this one.


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What platforms are you running now?

Do you want this new rifle for lightweight mountains, heavier for stand hunting, heavy for ringing steel, truck gun, high-volume trainer?

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Originally Posted by RickyBobby
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
There is no "gap" between 22-250 and 30-06.


.... you just saved me a bunch of time & money.


Oh ! OKay.

What Happened to THAT ? whistle
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