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What does Roger Stone have to do with Trump? Why would Trump care?

Why your sudden interest in politics?

Sorros check come in?

I'll humor you (and others) as if asking a legit question. Let's take a look things.

Federal employees have not been getting a check. Historically, when this happens, the GOP takes a beating. Ask Newt about it. Trump let it run a while, and then decided enough is enough. You can bet he's been talking to people in the House about which way the wind is blowing and how he can get SOMETHING out of this. Get that? Politically, Trump wants something out of this standoff. A consession from the Left will NOT come easy. They are tired of losing and think they have momentum to push back.

All of you better realize that without a good majority in the House AND 60 votes in the Senate, Trump will NEVER get everything he wants. NEVER! He doesn't have 60 votes for cloture to end a filibuster. So............... best thing he can do is get as much as he can whenever he can get it. He will NEVER get all. Any of you politically naive fools who want to bitch and moan that "Trump ran on the wall and now he's betraying us" are idiots.

Trump has his people int he House working on the best deal he can get. The best deal he can get is THE BEST DEAL HE CAN GET. HE'S NOT KING! He's not a DICTATOR.

Question: When has Trump backed off anything? He's gone from one agenda item to the the next, but he has not backed off of Immigration, and just because he hasn't gotten all he wants now does't mean he's done with the topic or the issue is closed. You Right leaning idiots should have foreseen that that the next 2 years will be a battle. Trump will win some, and not win others. I haven't seen him lose. This is a 3 week negotiating period, and by opening back up the gov't, he escapes the criticism that killed Newt. namely that these "poor federal workers were starving" because of the shutdown. Trump just took that card away from the Dems. He now can negotiate. What if he only gets $1.5 billion for the wall and suspends action on DACA for 3 years? You idiots going call that caving? NO! It is the first step. Trump builds 250 miles of wall, kicks DACA down the road (none of them will EVER be deported under virtually any circumstance anyway), and maybe he gets an end to chain migration. If he doesn't? He still gets 250 miles of wall. He can come back in 2021 after the elections (and a likely GOP House) and get more. Incremental works! Ask the Dems!

You people need to quit being such short sighted cry babies. In three weeks, Trump can walk away with some of what he wants, and it is the best deal available under the present circumstances. If you are disappointed by that, then go fire bomb Paul Ryan's house for not helping out the past two years.

If the Dems don't throw Trump a bone, then Trump can use the National Emergency card and build the wall himself and give Nancy and Chuck the Presidential FU.

Let's say he gets nothing. Zero funding, zero action on chain migration and quotas, amnesty for DACA. Well, IF that happens in three weeks I will be more angry than any of you! But I don't see that happening.

Trump is not GHWB or GWB who might try once, and give up is not successful. Trump is passionate about the southern border. More so than GWB was about Saddam Husain.. W was gonna get that phoucer for authorizing a hit on his Old Man come hell or high water. Trump is going to get control of our Southern border come hell or high water. If he can't do it in big bite, he'll do it small bites, but i don't see him giving up.

All you nervous Nellies chill and let's see how these three weeks work out. Johnny Isakson is my Senator. He's a reasonable sort. Word is he and others have worked something out that gives Trump some of what he wants, yet let's the Dems save face for now. That's the best scenario any of us can hope for. The Dems won't budge unless they can save some face, otherwise, they have betrayed their people. Trump will take what he can get right now. Move the needle to the Right degree by degree.

If none of this good stuff happens in three weeks, I promise I will be the loudest critic on the 'Fire. However, I have watched Trump, and am starting to understand what makes him tick, and I have been given a glimpse of how Washington works and think this is all a strategic give and take, and sometimes you get the best deal you can get at the time and move on until the winds change. Make sure in 2020 the winds change. I got a check into the RNC to get my District, which went GOP by 21 points in 2016 back from the Dems in 2020. Anybody else put your money where you mouth is??????


Think strategically, realize the other side plays offense and defense too, and realize with the Dems controlling the House, there is a give and take. Without 60 votes in the Senate, there is going to be a give and take. Trump will get as much as he can as often as he can. He's not going to shelve the immigration problem. Just because you punt now and then, or take the open receiver at 8 years when nobody was open in the end zone doesn't mean you lose the game.

Gene, I must disagree with you on this. When they put a citizen in prison for doing the same as them, that is unacceptable. If the witness has to tell the truth, then all should have to tell the truth. miles

The SCOTUS stuff is real for sure. The rest, not so much. North Korea? Hell the little fat boy smoked Trump, just like Pelosi did. Trade deals? Those ain't looking so good at all. The economy? Served up for you by GWB and Obama. But I understand your wanting to blame Trump for it.

So what's up next for The Liar in Chief? He can't have his wall, never mind making Mexico pay for it. His minions are struggling mightily to revision this as yet another "win", many are jumping ship, but there is nowhere to land except in deep caca. Lawyers are circling overhead.

The music is starting to sound ominous, guys. I think this might end badly for y'all.

Sure looks to the average guy on the street, that Trump is slowly caving. Sure do not see where he is gaining anything. Maybe one of you folks with better foresight could explain hs way of thinking?

Why your sudden interest in politics?

Sorros check come in?

I'll humor you (and others) as if asking a legit question. Let's take a look things.

Federal employees have not been getting a check. Historically, when this happens, the GOP takes a beating. Ask Newt about it. Trump let it run a while, and then decided enough is enough. You can bet he's been talking to people in the House about which way the wind is blowing and how he can get SOMETHING out of this. Get that? Politically, Trump wants something out of this standoff. A consession from the Left will NOT come easy. They are tired of losing and think they have momentum to push back.

All of you better realize that without a good majority in the House AND 60 votes in the Senate, Trump will NEVER get everything he wants. NEVER! He doesn't have 60 votes for cloture to end a filibuster. So............... best thing he can do is get as much as he can whenever he can get it. He will NEVER get all. Any of you politically naive fools who want to bitch and moan that "Trump ran on the wall and now he's betraying us" are idiots.

Trump has his people int he House working on the best deal he can get. The best deal he can get is THE BEST DEAL HE CAN GET. HE'S NOT KING! He's not a DICTATOR.

Question: When has Trump backed off anything? He's gone from one agenda item to the the next, but he has not backed off of Immigration, and just because he hasn't gotten all he wants now does't mean he's done with the topic or the issue is closed. You Right leaning idiots should have foreseen that that the next 2 years will be a battle. Trump will win some, and not win others. I haven't seen him lose. This is a 3 week negotiating period, and by opening back up the gov't, he escapes the criticism that killed Newt. namely that these "poor federal workers were starving" because of the shutdown. Trump just took that card away from the Dems. He now can negotiate. What if he only gets $1.5 billion for the wall and suspends action on DACA for 3 years? You idiots going call that caving? NO! It is the first step. Trump builds 250 miles of wall, kicks DACA down the road (none of them will EVER be deported under virtually any circumstance anyway), and maybe he gets an end to chain migration. If he doesn't? He still gets 250 miles of wall. He can come back in 2021 after the elections (and a likely GOP House) and get more. Incremental works! Ask the Dems!

You people need to quit being such short sighted cry babies. In three weeks, Trump can walk away with some of what he wants, and it is the best deal available under the present circumstances. If you are disappointed by that, then go fire bomb Paul Ryan's house for not helping out the past two years.

If the Dems don't throw Trump a bone, then Trump can use the National Emergency card and build the wall himself and give Nancy and Chuck the Presidential FU.

Let's say he gets nothing. Zero funding, zero action on chain migration and quotas, amnesty for DACA. Well, IF that happens in three weeks I will be more angry than any of you! But I don't see that happening.

Trump is not GHWB or GWB who might try once, and give up is not successful. Trump is passionate about the southern border. More so than GWB was about Saddam Husain.. W was gonna get that phoucer for authorizing a hit on his Old Man come hell or high water. Trump is going to get control of our Southern border come hell or high water. If he can't do it in big bite, he'll do it small bites, but i don't see him giving up.

All you nervous Nellies chill and let's see how these three weeks work out. Johnny Isakson is my Senator. He's a reasonable sort. Word is he and others have worked something out that gives Trump some of what he wants, yet let's the Dems save face for now. That's the best scenario any of us can hope for. The Dems won't budge unless they can save some face, otherwise, they have betrayed their people. Trump will take what he can get right now. Move the needle to the Right degree by degree.

If none of this good stuff happens in three weeks, I promise I will be the loudest critic on the 'Fire. However, I have watched Trump, and am starting to understand what makes him tick, and I have been given a glimpse of how Washington works and think this is all a strategic give and take, and sometimes you get the best deal you can get at the time and move on until the winds change. Make sure in 2020 the winds change. I got a check into the RNC to get my District, which went GOP by 21 points in 2016 back from the Dems in 2020. Anybody else put your money where you mouth is??????


Think strategically, realize the other side plays offense and defense too, and realize with the Dems controlling the House, there is a give and take. Without 60 votes in the Senate, there is going to be a give and take. Trump will get as much as he can as often as he can. He's not going to shelve the immigration problem. Just because you punt now and then, or take the open receiver at 8 years when nobody was open in the end zone doesn't mean you lose the game.

The SCOTUS stuff is real for sure. The rest, not so much. North Korea? Hell the little fat boy smoked Trump, just like Pelosi did. Trade deals? Those ain't looking so good at all. The economy? Served up for you by GWB and Obama. But I understand your wanting to blame Trump for it.

The SCOTUS stuff is real for sure. The rest, not so much. North Korea? Hell the little fat boy smoked Trump, just like Pelosi did. Trade deals? Those ain't looking so good at all. The economy? Served up for you by GWB and Obama. But I understand your wanting to blame Trump for it.

The SCOTUS stuff is real for sure. The rest, not so much. North Korea? Hell the little fat boy smoked Trump, just like Pelosi did. Trade deals? Those ain't looking so good at all. The economy? Served up for you by GWB and Obama. But I understand your wanting to blame Trump for it.

So what's up next for The Liar in Chief? He can't have his wall, never mind making Mexico pay for it. His minions are struggling mightily to revision this as yet another "win", many are jumping ship, but there is nowhere to land except in deep caca. Lawyers are circling overhead.

The music is starting to sound ominous, guys. I think this might end badly for y'all.